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greatwhitenorthchick 08-01-2003 12:47 PM

Dogs and Bikes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Hmm. I like to fuck, eat and sleep. Perhaps I should quit my job on the basis that it is inhumane for me to work. Or stop going to the gym because people have dropped dead from running.

I think you could be on to something here.

Edited to note that I appear to be Bilmore's less eloquent SP today. I think it is time for me to pack it in and start wearing sweatpants like George Costanza (no offense, oldtimer).

Edited again to note that I don't know how that happened (the quoting myself part). This is the second sign that I should pack it in.

idle acts 08-01-2003 12:49 PM

Gay marriage and the Pope.... Whaaaaaa????
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Your assuming religion is rational.

I think Atticus's explanation is probably the closest to what's going on. Civil marriage will always be thought of as quasi-religious, so anyone who seriously believes in the religious aspects of marriage will be concerned that by permitting civil marriages between gays/lesbians, religious marriage will be tarnished.
Which is why the government (state and federal) needs to get out of the business of according people benefits based upon their marital status. Either marriage is a civil law institution or it's a religious one. If religious, no tax breaks, no survivorship rights to property, no social security benefits for widows, etc. If civil, then everybody gets to share in the benefits equally, and those of you who want to have an additional, separate, religious ceremony can do so.

idle acts 08-01-2003 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze
And while we are playing with stereotypes, pick out whether the guy is gay or straight (I got one wrong, oh the humanity) http://www.gay.com/health/sexuality/...tml?sernum=882
I got all but one right. I'm not sure if that's a bad or a good thing. . .

leagleaze 08-01-2003 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by idle acts
I got all but one right. I'm not sure if that's a bad or a good thing. . .
Which one did you get wrong?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-01-2003 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by idle acts
I got all but one right. I'm not sure if that's a bad or a good thing. . .
Me, too. I think it's a meaningless thing.

idle acts 08-01-2003 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze
Which one did you get wrong?
The first one. I thought his profile was too obviously "stag."

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-01-2003 01:03 PM

Gay marriage and the Pope.... Whaaaaaa????
 
Quote:

Originally posted by idle acts
Which is why the government (state and federal) needs to get out of the business of according people benefits based upon their marital status. Either marriage is a civil law institution or it's a religious one. If religious, no tax breaks, no survivorship rights to property, no social security benefits for widows, etc. If civil, then everybody gets to share in the benefits equally, and those of you who want to have an additional, separate, religious ceremony can do so.
You see, Scalia was right. First it's sodomy, and next thing you know the government can't regulate masturbation or even (gasp!) marriage.

This is why Bush and the Pope have gotten in bed together to stop this homosexual agenda dead in its tracks.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-01-2003 01:09 PM

Coltrane is Right
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
To defend Coltrane here:

1) I never understand the Tour fawning that goes on over here - it's like the Bizarro World equivilant of white-trash NASCAR worship. Watching it is like watching the NY marathon - which is like watching paint dry.

2) Lance has been known as a prick as long as I can remember. The cancer somehow allows everyone to forget this.

3) Calling Lance the "best athlete" is the world is outright laughable. Let him compete in - let alone win - a few decathalons and we see if he is more than just an endurance athlete. And then let's see if he can hit a fastball.

not7y(F the Tour, F Lance)S
Thanks. Although I wouldn't compare cycling to NASCAR, which, I've said before, is just an excuse for racist rednecks (redundant)to get together for a party they know won't be crashed by minorites or northerners...

Actually, cycling may be the converse to NASCAR. A place where euro-wannabe elitest white folk can go knowing that their party won't be crashed by rednecks...


And yes, I'm kidding.

Sparklehorse 08-01-2003 01:15 PM

Coltrane on Running
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
No, you'll have to settle for this:

:e/o:
Okay, my chance to be stoopid today -- what is this emoticon??

I didn't know what the unspeakable words besides the n-word were either (and no one answered the other posters' earlier queries).

NotFromHere 08-01-2003 01:18 PM

Piling On
 
OK you cranky bastards it's Friday in case you've forgotten.
Here's a funny picture of the Prince and a statue. Use your discretion.



Huge erection causes blushes on the eve of Royal visit

A giant statue of a naked man with a two-foot erection has caused a row in Salzburg after it was unveiled on the eve of a visit by Prince Charles.
Called Arc de Triomphe, the statue by artists Ali Janka, Wolfgang Gantner, Tobias Urban and Florian Reither shows a naked man bending over backwards with his hands on the ground and a two-foot erection thrusting into the sky.
(With a "fountain effect")
Please go look at this and have a laugh - it's Friday goddamnit!!


Arc de Triomphe

bilmore 08-01-2003 01:20 PM

Coltrane is Right
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
. . . Although I wouldn't compare cycling to NASCAR, which, I've said before, is just an excuse for racist rednecks (redundant)to get together for a party they know won't be crashed by minorites or northerners...
I try to help you out and get this shit in return.

Ah, well . . .

ThrashersFan 08-01-2003 01:20 PM

Porn king Larry Flynt wants to rule California
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93547,00.html

The registered Democrat, civil libertarian and free speech advocate said he'd solve California's budget woes by expanding slot machine gambling.



I have always had a weird sort of respect for Larry Flynt. I have never had the pleasure of viewing his magazine (or any other nudie book for that matter) but I have seen some documentaries about him and it looks like he was just saying that he was gonna print what he liked and "fuck you" to the tight-asses who were aghast at the idea of a clitoris. After living a few years in that pole-up-my-ass mecca called Cincinnati I certainly grew to respect him more for having started his empire in the midst of those people. If I lived in California I would probably vote for him -- if I voted, which I don't do anymore since I got my husband a bit interested in the news and current events and he insists upon canceling out my vote for fun.

edited to note that I now live near the place where some wacko took a shot at Larry and almost killed him so I should probably move to California so that this odd relationship we have can come full circle.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-01-2003 01:21 PM

Coltrane is Right
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
I try to help you out and get this shit in return.

Ah, well . . .
I said I was kidding!

And I appreciate the support.

bilmore 08-01-2003 01:22 PM

Piling On
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NotFromHere
Huge erection causes blushes on the eve of Royal visit

"It was a double honour for us to know that Charles would be going past and would see all our hard work. "
I love double entendres.

Sidd Finch 08-01-2003 01:23 PM

Dogs and Bikes
 
Quote:

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Edited again to note that I don't know how that happened (the quoting myself part). This is the second sign that I should pack it in.

Maybe you should just go home and lick yourself. It's a good day.



Sidd(remember, "streaming video")Finch

ThrashersFan 08-01-2003 01:27 PM

It sure didn't take long
 
"American Idol" winner Ruben Studdard has sued hip-hop clothing maker 205 Flava Inc., saying the company wrongly profited from his image after he wore its jerseys on the singing competition.

The lawsuit says the defendants have unfairly and unlawfully exploited and capitalized on Studdard's popularity.

It estimates the company has made at least $2 million in sales after exploiting Studdard's image, and that Studdard is entitled to some of the profits.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93511,00.html

Atticus Grinch 08-01-2003 01:28 PM

Can this marriage be saved?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by idle acts
Which is why the government (state and federal) needs to get out of the business of according people benefits based upon their marital status. Either marriage is a civil law institution or it's a religious one.
Until religion is no more, it will always be both. Having two adults as the basic generational family unit is hardwired into our evolutionary history. So it was formalized with a religious overlay for millennia. Sex was the reason we formed pair bonds, but religion was what kept us from breaking them at will. The state cannot simply say, "We recognize these two are one" without heavily relying upon its deep resonance with notions of romantic love, devotion, eternity and fidelity that are echoes of Western religious tradition.

As for affording "benefits" based on marital status, I have no idea how the state can stop doing so. The tax benefit/burden issue is complicated and can be easily reset --- maybe it should be. But when a person becomes incompetent, who else but their spouse will speak for them? When a person dies intestate, who else but their spouse will inherit?

Religion is the reason we have dissolution proceedings rather than "see ya!" I'm all in favor of no-fault divorce, because the alternative was so horrific. But, even putting religion aside, the state still has an interest in making divorce somewhat messy and expensive, because a two-parent family is more likely to be self-sufficient and economically efficient. (I think we should do things that encourage intergenerational living, too, because I think that's also more efficient than alternatives.)

Quote:

If civil, then everybody gets to share in the benefits equally, and those of you who want to have an additional, separate, religious ceremony can do so.
That's basically what we're moving toward, hampered only by fundamentalism's hold on the American psyche. We make fun of the Northern European welfare states, but socially we'll be there in twenty years. We'll go there kicking and screaming, though.

idle acts 08-01-2003 01:29 PM

Gay marriage and the Pope.... Whaaaaaa????
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
This is why Bush and the Pope have gotten in bed together. . .

Now there's an idea.

NotFromHere 08-01-2003 01:30 PM

Ruff Stuff
 
In case you haven't had enough dog talk here's a website of animal dildos. It's a little confusing since it doesn't say whether these "toys" are to be used for humans or animals - but I'll have to admit to not having read it too closely.

Animal dildos

The wolf one is bizarre.

purse junkie 08-01-2003 01:35 PM

Ruff Stuff
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NotFromHere
In case you haven't had enough dog talk here's a website of animal dildos. It's a little confusing since it doesn't say whether these "toys" are to be used for humans or animals - but I'll have to admit to not having read it too closely.

Animal dildos

The wolf one is bizarre.
Any pervert comes near my dog (nonconsensually, which I believe would be the case) or even near his image will get his or her freak ass kicked into next month.

leagleaze 08-01-2003 01:36 PM

Ruff Stuff
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NotFromHere
In case you haven't had enough dog talk here's a website of animal dildos. It's a little confusing since it doesn't say whether these "toys" are to be used for humans or animals - but I'll have to admit to not having read it too closely.

Animal dildos

The wolf one is bizarre.

That's ... unique. It looks like they are supposed to be copies of the penises of the different animals (am I still allowed to talk about penises, I didn't see my name on the list) for use by humans.

ThrashersFan 08-01-2003 01:37 PM

Ruff Stuff
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NotFromHere
In case you haven't had enough dog talk here's a website of animal dildos. It's a little confusing since it doesn't say whether these "toys" are to be used for humans or animals - but I'll have to admit to not having read it too closely.

Animal dildos

The wolf one is bizarre.
Um, exactly what kind of Google search leads a person to a website full of canine-based pleasuring devices? I would really like to avoid Googling anything remotely close to this. :eek:

idle acts 08-01-2003 01:40 PM

Can this marriage be saved?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
notions of romantic love, devotion, eternity and fidelity . . . are echoes of Western religious tradition.
I disagree. These notions are older than Western religious tradition (if by that you mean Judeo-Christian trandition), and do not need a religious underpinning to exist.


Quote:

As for affording "benefits" based on marital status, I have no idea how the state can stop doing so. The tax benefit/burden issue is complicated and can be easily reset --- maybe it should be. But when a person becomes incompetent, who else but their spouse will speak for them? When a person dies intestate, who else but their spouse will inherit?

You make the point of gay activists who seek equality in this area. Gay partners want they same right to visit their loved ones in the hospital, make health care decisions for unconcious or mentally incompetent partners, direct funeral arrangements, and inherit property that straight married people have. But the government has denied gay people those rights by refusing them marriage licenses.

Atticus Grinch 08-01-2003 01:40 PM

Plagiarism Witch Hunt Update
 
Plaintiff's lawyers who lost their $145 billion verdict on appeal seek rehearing on ground that 59 pages of the 68-page opinion was a verbatim replication of their opponent's briefs. (Spree: ABA website; you can pretend you're working.)

Best quotation:

Quote:

Florida’s judicial code of conduct does not specify that judges must use original thought in their opinions, says Brooke Kennerly, executive director of the Judicial Qualifications Commission for Florida.

Sidd Finch 08-01-2003 01:41 PM

Porn king Larry Flynt wants to rule California
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
I have never had the pleasure of viewing his magazine (or any other nudie book for that matter)

Yer kidding. You've never, ever looked at nekkid pictures? What about online?

Let me recommend that you do not start with Larry Flynt's flagship publication. That's jumping in the deep end and then some. It's rougly as sexy as an OBGYN textbook.

The above based on what the mags looked like about 20 years ago, which is the last time I saw one. Which is scary, in and of itself.

Sidd(singin' me and Bilmore down by the old folks' home)Finch

Sidd Finch 08-01-2003 01:43 PM

Can this marriage be saved?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by idle acts
You make the point of gay activists who seek equality in this area. Gay partners want they same right to visit their loved ones in the hospital, make health care decisions for unconcious or mentally incompetent partners, direct funeral arrangements, and inherit property that straight married people have. But the government has denied gay people those rights by refusing them marriage licenses.


I think that was his point. I'm pretty confident that, if Atticus were king, gay people could marry.


And Jodi Foster would be one of his handmaidens, no doubt.

NotFromHere 08-01-2003 01:45 PM

Ruff Stuff
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
Um, exactly what kind of Google search leads a person to a website full of canine-based pleasuring devices? I would really like to avoid Googling anything remotely close to this. :eek:
Not all are canine - some are equine.

leagleaze 08-01-2003 01:46 PM

Can this marriage be saved?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I think that was his point. I'm pretty confident that, if Atticus were king, gay people could marry.


And Jodi Foster would be one of his handmaidens, no doubt.
I get that idea too. About being able to marry not about Jodi Foster. But I do concur that Jodi Foster would be a good handmaiden.

Anybody have any advice on how I can keep myself safe from the crazy homophobes who I filmed protesting this weekend? Apparently they are...perturbed with me, they know who I am because I testified against them last year and I'll be doing so again this year. And now my family has me all paranoid about it.

I wish I was even half joking about this one.

sebastian_dangerfield 08-01-2003 01:46 PM

Can this marriage be saved?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Until religion is no more, it will always be both. Having two adults as the basic generational family unit is hardwired into our evolutionary history. So it was formalized with a religious overlay for millennia. Sex was the reason we formed pair bonds, but religion was what kept us from breaking them at will. The state cannot simply say, "We recognize these two are one" without heavily relying upon its deep resonance with notions of romantic love, devotion, eternity and fidelity that are echoes of Western religious tradition.

As for affording "benefits" based on marital status, I have no idea how the state can stop doing so. The tax benefit/burden issue is complicated and can be easily reset --- maybe it should be. But when a person becomes incompetent, who else but their spouse will speak for them? When a person dies intestate, who else but their spouse will inherit?

Religion is the reason we have dissolution proceedings rather than "see ya!" I'm all in favor of no-fault divorce, because the alternative was so horrific. But, even putting religion aside, the state still has an interest in making divorce somewhat messy and expensive, because a two-parent family is more likely to be self-sufficient and economically efficient. (I think we should do things that encourage intergenerational living, too, because I think that's also more efficient than alternatives.)



That's basically what we're moving toward, hampered only by fundamentalism's hold on the American psyche. We make fun of the Northern European welfare states, but socially we'll be there in twenty years. We'll go there kicking and screaming, though.
We're closer to Sweden than we think. We have a bloated public sector which cannot afford to provide the 8 billion services it offers just like the Swedes. The only difference between the two countries is the tax system.

One of the very few good things to come out of this presidency will be that a whole lotta services will wither and fall away. A whittling down of the govt's service organizations is sorely needed.

S(fuck, I think I just walked over to the politics board)D

leagleaze 08-01-2003 01:48 PM

Angelina upset about nipple loss
 
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...howbizquirkies Apparently she is distressed they removed her nipples from some pictures.

What a sin!

http://www.ananova.com/images/web/64453.jpg


http://www.ananova.com/images/web/64462.jpg


I think maybe I need to go see this movie.

bilmore 08-01-2003 01:50 PM

Ruff Stuff
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NotFromHere
Not all are canine - some are equine.
So, you were looking to sexually stimulate your horse, not your dog?

Whew! (We were starting to think you were weird.)

Sidd Finch 08-01-2003 01:52 PM

Angelina upset about nipple loss
 
Nothing to say, I just like the subject line.

I mean, who wouldn't be?

Atticus Grinch 08-01-2003 01:53 PM

Can this marriage be saved?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by idle acts
I disagree. These notions are older than Western religious tradition (if by that you mean Judeo-Christian trandition), and do not need a religious underpinning to exist.
The specific notions I was citing (marriage as romantic love, singular devotion, love in eternity and monogamous fidelity) were developed (non-exclusively, of course) by the courtly love traditions of medieval European Christendom.

The versions we see in ancient and non-Western sources had a different take on the "you're my soul mate; we were born to be together" bullshit. For example, we now read the great love stories of the Hebrew Bible through the prism of this tradition, but marriage was less about supposedly passionate infatuation for them than it is for us.

I think these notions do need some degree of religious underpinning to exist. Even atheists have to resort to recockulous religious and spiritual metaphors to describe romantic love.

Quote:

You make the point of gay activists who seek equality in this area.
I know. I make that point because I agree with it.

[Edited to fix quotations.]

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 08-01-2003 01:53 PM

Can this marriage be saved?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze


Anybody have any advice on how I can keep myself safe from the crazy homophobes who I filmed protesting this weekend?
give copies of the tape to your friends/allies and tell them if you don't come back in 24 hours to go round up everyone on the tape?

idle acts 08-01-2003 01:54 PM

Can this marriage be saved?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I think that was his point. I'm pretty confident that, if Atticus were king, gay people could marry.

Atticus is not king?

lactation lover 08-01-2003 01:54 PM

No Use Suing Over Spilt Milk
 
This is just not right. A travesty of justice if you will!



What has society come to?~? This poor hardworking gal goes back to work after having a baby and has to put up with this, plus, it has always been my experience that you have to pay extra for milk, and this hoser was getting it for free.

Talk about looking a gift cow in the teat!

I'll keep y'all abreast of this situation.

lactation (thirsty) lover

ps: Any other NYers up for a road trip to Michigan?!?

Replaced_Texan 08-01-2003 01:54 PM

Can this marriage be saved?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze
I get that idea too. About being able to marry not about Jodi Foster. But I do concur that Jodi Foster would be a good handmaiden.

Anybody have any advice on how I can keep myself safe from the crazy homophobes who I filmed protesting this weekend? Apparently they are...perturbed with me, they know who I am because I testified against them last year and I'll be doing so again this year. And now my family has me all paranoid about it.

I wish I was even half joking about this one.
Have they made any direct threats to you or is this a vague feeling of unease? Certainly alert your staff and any security that may be availalbe to under no circumstances allow them near your office. If you're feeling uncomfortable by yourself at home, ask a friend to stay with you for a few days. When is your testimony? Are they trying to prevent a repeat of last year, or are they just being difficult?

NotFromHere 08-01-2003 01:54 PM

Angelina upset about nipple loss
 
Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...howbizquirkies Apparently she is distressed they removed her nipples from some pictures.

What a sin!

I think maybe I need to go see this movie.
Don't bother - the pictures are just as good. Try to picture yet another person with a weak accent.

And here's another movie review...skip Daredevil. I told OM that any movie with Ben Affleck in it is going to suck, but he read the comic books and was a huge fan. Suffice it to say that I was not disappointed as I had 0 expectations. The soundtrack, however, was quite good.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 08-01-2003 01:55 PM

Angelina upset about nipple loss
 
Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze
Apparently she is distressed they removed her nipples from some pictures.

Is she complaining that this happened because they inflated her breasts to cover those nipples?

NotFromHere 08-01-2003 01:56 PM

Ruff Stuff
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
So, you were looking to sexually stimulate your horse, not your dog?

Whew! (We were starting to think you were weird.)
Listen, I have neither a horse or a dog and I didn't Google this and and and nothing I can say here will make it sound less weird, so...but it was sent to me - Ack that's worse right?


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