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I blame Canada.

So, shut your fucking face, unclefucker!

S_A_M

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You would. Spain's rape of the sea had to be stopped. If the papists had their way, they'd keep fishing until the last turbot died in a Spanish net.

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*ahem* Careful. This position may antagonize anyone whose name was bestowed by Queen Isabella.

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So you support completely killing all oceanic life, based on some honor your ancestors got?

(fish)Genocidal fuck.

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Indeed. And what of it? This won't be the first time the Spanish navy will be wipped by good anglo-saxon stock.

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It's not the Spanish navy that good anglo-saxon stock should be worried about.

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Oh, and you wanna put fishermen out of work and ruin the economy and families and a rich fishing culture just for the sake of some turbot?

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Uh, what does it say about me that I read this as "rich fisting culture"?

Take it to the FB?

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I think of them as buggy-whip manufacturers.

And you can't really slam me, because I would not be too terribly upset if my job went away because my company's industry was no longer needed. On balance, I would be happy.

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I note that the Quebecois are both papists and better fishermen (and women) than the Spanish.

And if the Spanish were to attack St. Pierre or Miquelon, we'll have the French all over their asses, too.

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Fisherman have rarely had much trouble overfishing and putting themselves out of business.

Luckily, in Canada, they can club baby seals in the Winter and let the fish be.

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Is this a soccer match?

A fight over fishing rights?

I don't know anything about this.

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Here's a primer. Some Canadian friends of mine were nearly kicked out of Spain over the whole thing.

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THE NEW DEM DISPATCH, December 09, 2005
Political commentary & analysis from the DLC =============================================
[http://www.DLC.org ]

Idea of the Week: A Center for Cures

One of the few really new and big ideas to come out of the 2004
presidential campaign was Sen. Joe Lieberman's proposal to create an
American Center for Cures within the National Institutes for Health,
providing a focal point and "driver" for efforts to cure major
chronic diseases like diabetes, Alzheimer's, cancer, and heart
conditions.

Now Lieberman, along with Sen. Thad Cochran (R-MS), is sponsoring
legislation to place that idea into law. The bill would give the new
Center for Cures, led by a presidentially appointed director, the
mission of accelerating the translation of scientific breakthroughs
into medical therapies, which is currently inhibited by the
isolation of individual scientists and research programs.

As the Progressive Policy Institute's David Kendall said in a recent
report: "The nation's medical research community, which receives
much of its public funding through NIH, has produced great gains in
reducing the burden of disease and injury through the curiosity and
brilliance of individual researchers.... But the NIH has not been as
successful with mission-driven research that can accelerate the
delivery of cures for specific diseases or types of injuries by
planning research that can lead to cures by design."

That's precisely the problem the Center for Cures would be created
to address. It would:

Encourage, through funding and direction, a big expansion in
multidisciplinary collaborative research involving physical,
biological, and medical sciences, along with advanced technologies.
Make sure high risk/high yield research gets done, particularly
research that doesn't fit into a for-profit model.
Acelerate the transfer of intellectual property from research to
the commercial sector (e.g., new drugs and devices).
Increase the quantity and quality of clinical trials through
collaboration with academic health canters, hospitals, clinics, and
medical practitioners.

The Center for Cures would basically represent a Manhattan Project
for research into cures and treatments for major chronic diseases.
And the payoff could be enormous, not just for Americans, but for
the world.

Moreover, finding ways to cure and treat chronic diseases -- which
afflict up to 100 million Americans -- could help revolutionize our
overall health care system, which all too often focuses on acute
care rather than prevention and treatment. The impact of finding
cures for major chronic diseases on rising health care costs -- one
of the most important burdens on both taxpayers and the business
communities, and increasingly a factor in the loss of health
insurance among Americans -- is incalculable.

Last year, DLC Chairman Gov. Tom Vilsack of Iowa sponsored a
resolution putting the nation's governors on record favoring this
idea: "The American Center for Cures will be the bridge between the
promise of scientific opportunities and the reality of our nation's
health needs." And DLC President Bruce Reed called it "a simple,
bold, breakthrough idea."

And it's an idea that should command broad political support from
anyone interested in saving human lives -- or in fulfilling the
promise of American science, technology, and medicine.

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The culture is destined to die out if it has to go to within 200 miles of canada to survive. The only ones who have this right are Maine lobstermen and the government of New Zealand.

Canada can suck it too, because they've been putting out of business the new england fishing culture for the last 25 years at least.

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You know they always say: how many Americans should die for Oil

On the same vain: how many Canadians or Spaniards should die for fish.

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My solution is that we ban all hunting of wild game. In the ocean and out of the ocean. If someone wants to eat fish or any other kind of seafood it has to come from a commercial fish hatchery or farm.

Oops. I forgot. Anyone that doesn't agree with me is an idiot.

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This is stupid. If Lieberman knew anything at all about the NIH, he'd know there is already, within the NIH, the National Institute of Diabetes and Digestive and Kidney Diseases (diabetes), the National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke (Alzheimer's), the National Cancer Institute (cancer), and theNational Heart, Lung, and Blood Institute (heart disease), among many, many, many, too many others. This would just add yet another agency to the NIH, and nobody would be able to figure out its mission or its authority separate from all the other agencies within the NIH. For each of the targeted diseases, there would just be a separate program within the Center for Cures, and how exactly would that be different from what we have now in the NIH?

Another reason to dislike the DLC, and why Lieberman is in reality a Republican.

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Never mind. Behind the times. Was going to make a reference to the America's Cup, but now that's no longer relevant.

Carry on. Nothing to see here.

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This is stupid.

First off, we'll all end up with dear eating apples in our back yard.

Second, farmed fish suck. They really do. Not only do they taste awful, they're filled with bad chemicals, metals, and such.

The solution is tradable property rights. (It's the only non-idiotic solution). Figure out how many fish can be taken consistent with sustainable stocks. Sell (or give away) licenses to take a certain percentage of that. Done. It saves fishermen from having to buy bigger, faster boats. a guy with a rod and reel might be enough to take his annual catch.

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Can you work in a fondue joke somehow?

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Here in wild salmon country, that solution wouldn't go over so well. Just about everybody in these parts thinks farmed salmon is a bad idea.

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Fuckin' Swiss. I hate the Swiss. "Oh, you can't touch us, we are so neutral. Please to go away and leave us alone."

We should invade them, kill their bankers, and convert them to Christianity. Not their Christianity, our Christianity - the manly, megachurch, non-fondue-eating kind of Christianity that makes Ann Coulter swoon.

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How about 43,549,601?

It's a healthy start.

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Thank you.

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Turbot-lover!

Tax(he wasn't talking about the Aristocratic Mexicans)Wonk

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Where do people think farmed salmon is a good idea? It's bad eating. Maybe a couple of rec halls in Maine where the fishermen put out of business by the expansionist canucks have been able to land jobs tossing pelletized algae into the holding pens?

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Off my corner, you greasy skanky ho!

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Fish fondue is a joke in itself.

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I suspect the fish farmers and some in the distribution chain think it's a good idea. I've actually had good farmed salmon (before I decided never to buy it). Bland compared to wild, but still good. I think most Japanese restuarants use farmed for sushi. I guess that's one exception to my no-farmed-salmon rule.

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Now that was a post. None of this soft peddaling B.S.

Ty and Balt - do you see this post? Learn from it. You are both getting soft. Time to get tough.

My response to this is that I think for departments a lot of how logic behind organizing them and naming thewm is getting money out of Congress. I think this Cure idea would be easier to get appropriations for in Congress. If someone voted for a decrease, or not for a decrese they could get pummled by their opponent.

So the name is important.

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I would argue with you but I know absolutely nothing about farmed fish. On the other hand, I do prefer farm animals to game. In other words I prefer beef to venison.

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I left this board for good 2 weeks ago. I just came back for a quick visit and read this. Question: did you guys work out some new language rule, like pig latin, so only your in group can understand what you post?

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No, Hank. Spanky has always posted like that.

You just weren't such a critical audience when you were on the same team.

S_A_M

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WTTW, only pathetic losers post on weekends.

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saying what for you!!!! resnet that I. cOuld say taht you how? pOst my awlays and distinct claer.

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Tell me about it.

Texas
 

The Supreme Court is now going to hear arguments on the constitutionality of the Texas redistricting. Regardless of the outcome, it seems clear to me that this redistricting was a political hack job, engaged in for purely partisan purposes. It also strikes me that the manner in which redistricting occurs is inevitably highly partisan, and is a way in which parties have perpetuated themselves from the beginning and in a way I do not believe was envisioned or planned for by the founders.

Why not, in this age of technological progress, have all redistricting done by computer programs under the supervision of a clearly non-partisan commission (perhaps even one appointed by the judiciary instead of by politicians)?

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Is this a long weekend?

Texas
 

Because the parties in power know that they'd lose that power if such a system were to be created. The Republicans were probably right about the 1991 maps drawn by the Democrats. They did give dems a disproportionate amount of seats in Texas given the political demographics in the state in 1991. And the dems were able to hold on to the legislature for about 15 years beyond the switch of the state from predominately Democratic to predominantly Republican. The maps that the Repubicans drew in 2003 are designed to hold on to Republican power past the demographics switching in Texas to majority Hispanic (I think that's projected to happen around 2015 or so).