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evenodds 08-21-2009 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 397275)
I thought small college when I used to go, and with lots of lesbians in the stands.

I was thinking that too, eliminating any particular freak of nature outliers. From the wnba games I've seen (and I have seen several in person), it reminded me of every small ball, well-coached mid-major, but I didn't want to get that technical.

It's not that the women are less physically gifted. Some can dunk and have the speed and flash that we recognize from NBA play. It's that it's a different game. Like comparing Euro ball to the NBA or even the NBA d-league (which I love). It's a different game.

Sidd Finch 08-21-2009 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 397276)
What is she doing out of the kitchen!

Yeah, that's what I was implying -- that I couldn't imagine a woman getting off the bench in the NBA because women belong in the kitchen. Not because of the combined size, speed, and power that NBA players need, that in my view (and in world experience, to date) les than 1% of men and 0% of women possess.

In other words, go fuck yourself.

Sidd Finch 08-21-2009 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by evenodds (Post 397277)
I was thinking that too, eliminating any particular freak of nature outliers. From the wnba games I've seen (and I have seen several in person), it reminded me of every small ball, well-coached mid-major, but I didn't want to get that technical.

It's not that the women are less physically gifted. Some can dunk and have the speed and flash that we recognize from NBA play. It's that it's a different game. Like comparing Euro ball to the NBA or even the NBA d-league (which I love). It's a different game.

I don't think "different game" goes quite far enough. Using your example -- Euro ball vs. NBA -- there are players who get to choose one vs the other, guys coming out of college who can play Euro ball or play in the NBA. Certainly they need a serious adjustment to their play.

I don't see any woman making that adjustment. I'm not sure why -- I could see it in other sports -- but I think it's the size factor. It's very difficult for men who get to the height of NBA players to be fast and graceful and strong (ever see a bad 7' tall b-ball player? Oog, it's ugly.) For women who reach that height -- and that's obviously a much smaller number of women than men -- it's apparently impossible. At least so far.

Pretty Little Flower 08-21-2009 11:30 AM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 397276)
What is she doing out of the kitchen!


Sha cannot spend all of her time cooking. She needs to reserve some time for pleasuring the team orally.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-21-2009 11:31 AM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 397280)
Yeah, that's what I was implying -- that I couldn't imagine a woman getting off the bench in the NBA because women belong in the kitchen. Not because of the combined size, speed, and power that NBA players need, that in my view (and in world experience, to date) les than 1% of men and 0% of women possess.

In other words, go fuck yourself.

What? You're defensive. It was a joke, and not an attempted translation of your post.

But I actually think women should shut up and get back in the kitchen.

Pretty Little Flower 08-21-2009 11:32 AM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 397280)
Yeah, that's what I was implying -- that I couldn't imagine a woman getting off the bench in the NBA because women belong in the kitchen. Not because of the combined size, speed, and power that NBA players need, that in my view (and in world experience, to date) les than 1% of men and 0% of women possess.

In other words, go fuck yourself.

Listen, we're cool with you being a misogynist. But you need to own it.

Pretty Little Flower 08-21-2009 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 397287)

But I actually think women should shut up and get back in the kitchen.

See, someone here has the balls to own it.

ThurgreedMarshall 08-21-2009 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 397235)
how can it take a very long time to complete the testing? what does this person look like that it isn't a quick decision?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-w...055daaf899.jpg

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 08-21-2009 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 397272)
It's hard to imagine a woman in the NBA ever getting off the bench.

The greatest woman in the history of basketball could not start on a division I NCAA squad. The greatest players in the NCAA get drafted to the NBA. A woman could not sniff an NBA bench.

TM

evenodds 08-21-2009 11:39 AM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397290)

But if he tucks, what's the problem?

Sidd Finch 08-21-2009 11:40 AM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 397287)
What? You're defensive. It was a joke, and not an attempted translation of your post.

Sorry -- don't know why I took it that way. I'm tired and cranky today, and it's only 8:40.


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But I actually think women should shut up and get back in the kitchen.
Yes, but only after she finishes sucking my dick.

Sidd Finch 08-21-2009 11:41 AM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397290)

I always wondered what "Pat" would have looked like if she was black.

Sidd Finch 08-21-2009 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397291)
A woman could not sniff an NBA bench.

Ew.

ThurgreedMarshall 08-21-2009 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 397274)
In HS, my buddy and his friends (none were on the boys HS basketball team) were asked by the girls HS coach to scrimmage against his team.

My buddies team absolutely destroyed them. The girls couldn't get a shot off.

The girls were the Illinois state champs that year.

One spring break I went to visit a friend of mine at ASU. I played DIII ball at a small school and didn't get much light (even though I'm 6' 11"). There was an SI cover story article on ASU's star female point guard and how amazing she was that year. I played at the rec center in a few pick up games while I was there. One time she ran with us. I guarded her and pretty much schooled her. She could play with us, but she couldn't guard anyone and if she got by me, I'd just wait until she started her two steps to the basket, jump and block her shot. She was very quick and could handle the ball well, but it's just not the same.

TM

Pretty Little Flower 08-21-2009 11:44 AM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397291)
The greatest woman in the history of basketball could not start on a division I NCAA squad. The greatest players in the NCAA get drafted to the NBA. A woman could not sniff an NBA bench.

TM

Own it!

But I think a woman could maybe get a little sniff in while pleasuring the team orally.

Pretty Little Flower 08-21-2009 11:45 AM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 397293)
Yes, but only after she finishes sucking my dick.

Now you're just being crass. You always take things too far.

greatwhitenorthchick 08-21-2009 12:02 PM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 397219)
A female colleague thought it was uncouth that they're gender-qualifying Semenya. I passed on the chance to make a "Semenya" tranny joke to point out that gender qualifying exists to protect the women who work their asses off to compete in women's sports. East Germany wasn't trying to pass women off as men, and Manny Ramirez wasn't trying to become a female. Of course, I also think allowing women into the PGA is bad for golf because it's bad for women's golf. Reducing the women's game to only those few who can compete with men (for distance, say) is net bad for women and for girls.

Yeesh. This reads like "segregation now, segregation tomorrow, and segregation forever," so let me say women should be allowed to compete in men's events if they wish, but acknowledge that it will unintentionally diminish the women's events to the JV of the human race, and athletics should not be so, any more than every bantamweight fighter should aspire to be a superweavyweight. Divisions exist to maximize the potential to excel.

I don't know what you're trying to say here -- you appear to be conflating a number of ideas. Some sports lend themselves a little to women and men competing together (e.g., golf (but I can't think of another -- maybe archery? curling?)), and most don't (e.g., boxing, basketball, hockey, baseball, 90% of all sports). That's a different point from determining whether someone who looks like a hermaphrodite is actually a woman or a man. The conversation is not about whether people who are clearly women should be competing alongside people who are clearly men, it's about one ambiguous-looking person.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-21-2009 12:25 PM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 397300)
I don't know what you're trying to say here -- you appear to be conflating a number of ideas. Some sports lend themselves a little to women and men competing together (e.g., golf (but I can't think of another -- maybe archery? curling?)), and most don't (e.g., boxing, basketball, hockey, baseball, 90% of all sports). That's a different point from determining whether someone who looks like a hermaphrodite is actually a woman or a man. The conversation is not about whether people who are clearly women should be competing alongside people who are clearly men, it's about one ambiguous-looking person.

Why has their never been a woman as world chess champion?

Are we sure it's entirely the sport that's at issue.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-21-2009 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 397303)
Why has their never been a woman as world chess champion?

Are we sure it's entirely the sport that's at issue.


Why has there never been a man as world home economics champion?

ThurgreedMarshall 08-21-2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 397303)
Why has their never been a woman as world chess champion?

Because their sexist fathers don't push them to compete in the same way?

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 397305)
Why has there never been a man as world home economics champion?

http://pics.livejournal.com/stepliana/pic/000ktbfb

TM

Hank Chinaski 08-21-2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 397303)
Why has their never been a woman as world chess champion?

Are we sure it's entirely the sport that's at issue.

the guy who wrote The man Who Fell to Earth, the hustler and the color of money wrote a novel about a woman who became wrold champion Queen's Gambit. It was pretty good.

p.s. My ex-aunt had a small part in Searching for bobby Fischer

greatwhitenorthchick 08-21-2009 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 397303)
Why has their never been a woman as world chess champion?

Are we sure it's entirely the sport that's at issue.

Women have held the International Grammar Rodeo Championship title 100 years in a row. I wonder why that is?

Hank Chinaski 08-21-2009 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 397311)
Women have held the International Grammar Rodeo Championship title 100 years in a row. I wonder why that is?

dtb is really old?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-21-2009 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 397305)
Why has there never been a man as world home economics champion?

Look, I know there was a dispute about who properly held the title that year, but in my mind Wonk will always be the champ.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-21-2009 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397309)
Because their sexist fathers don't push them to compete in the same way?

TM

I don't know, maybe this has to do with some of the sports issues.

My daughter used to skate down the ice leaving the boys spinning against the boards when she played hockey. But she hit a certain age where this was discouraged and so hockey was just not as much fun. She's fast and agile and fearless, and that can make up for some of the bulk. She had a good role model and teacher in my sister (who was the only girl on and captain of her college hockey team, and who certainly wiped my ass all over the rink). But about age 9 it got to be a lot less fun because of all the reaction she got from being the only girl out there. She's now retired, but when she retired she was the undisputed champ on her team.

What would have happened if she lived in a lesbian commune in Saskatoon?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-21-2009 01:13 PM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 397311)
Women have held the International Grammar Rodeo Championship title 100 years in a row. I wonder why that is?

Men have been busy with chess and sports and running the world and shit?

Gattigap 08-21-2009 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 397314)

What would have happened if she lived in a lesbian commune in Saskatoon?


No idea, though it does strike me that at least your posts on VC/Health Care would likely be substantially different.

greatwhitenorthchick 08-21-2009 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 397312)
dtb is really old?

Sometimes when you are not blathering on about nonsense or relatives you are not even related to anymore, you can be a little funny. This is one of those times.

greatwhitenorthchick 08-21-2009 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 397315)
Men have been busy with chess and sports and running the world and shit?

You can read a grammar book while taking a shit, you know.

Cletus Miller 08-21-2009 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 397314)
What would have happened if she lived in a lesbian commune in Saskatoon?

Probably the same thing if y'all lived in suburban Minneapolis.

Hank Chinaski 08-21-2009 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 397314)
I don't know, maybe this has to do with some of the sports issues.

My daughter used to skate down the ice leaving the boys spinning against the boards when she played hockey. But she hit a certain age where this was discouraged and so hockey was just not as much fun. She's fast and agile and fearless, and that can make up for some of the bulk. She had a good role model and teacher in my sister (who was the only girl on and captain of her college hockey team, and who certainly wiped my ass all over the rink). But about age 9 it got to be a lot less fun because of all the reaction she got from being the only girl out there. She's now retired, but when she retired she was the undisputed champ on her team.

What would have happened if she lived in a lesbian commune in Saskatoon?

at about 13 it would have gotten a lot less fun.

In the early 80s there was speculation that women will be the better marathoners in a decade- something about body fat- but that hasn't proven out.

Hank Chinaski 08-21-2009 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 397319)
You can read a grammar book while taking a shit, you know.

i tried that when studying in HS, then one day we were out of toilet paper:(:(

Flinty_McFlint 08-21-2009 01:50 PM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 397318)
Sometimes when you are not blathering on about nonsense or relatives you are not even related to anymore, you can be a little funny. This is one of those times.

Ah fuck, now you've gone and done it. I can't believe that you've broken the Hank code that has been pretty much adhered to as long as we've been here. You think his last 70,000 posts have been painful--now that you've gone and encouraged him, you're unleashing a maelstrom of poorly constructed, one quarter coherent, slightly creepy Hank posts. I weep for the future, and may RT have mercy on your soul, Gwinkilicious. Fuck.

Sidd Finch 08-21-2009 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 397310)
the guy who wrote The man Who Fell to Earth, the hustler and the color of money wrote a novel about a woman who became wrold champion Queen's Gambit. It was pretty good.

p.s. My ex-aunt had a small part in Searching for bobby Fischer

Great movie.

Sidd Finch 08-21-2009 01:55 PM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 397314)
I don't know, maybe this has to do with some of the sports issues.

My daughter used to skate down the ice leaving the boys spinning against the boards when she played hockey. But she hit a certain age where this was discouraged and so hockey was just not as much fun. She's fast and agile and fearless, and that can make up for some of the bulk. She had a good role model and teacher in my sister (who was the only girl on and captain of her college hockey team, and who certainly wiped my ass all over the rink). But about age 9 it got to be a lot less fun because of all the reaction she got from being the only girl out there. She's now retired, but when she retired she was the undisputed champ on her team.

What would have happened if she lived in a lesbian commune in Saskatoon?

At a guess -- she'd have gotten better at it. Maybe even better than 90% of the hockey-playing population.

But never good enough to play in the NHL, because she wouldn't have the combined strength, size, and speed.

Sidd Finch 08-21-2009 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 397319)
You can read a grammar book while taking a shit, you know.

No, you can't. I've tried. Nothing locks up a sphincter faster. Why do you think old grammarians all look so cranky?

Sidd Finch 08-21-2009 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Flinty_McFlint (Post 397323)
Ah fuck, now you've gone and done it. I can't believe that you've broken the Hank code that has been pretty much adhered to as long as we've been here. You think his last 70,000 posts have been painful--now that you've gone and encouraged him, you're unleashing a maelstrom of poorly constructed, one quarter coherent, slightly creepy Hank posts. I weep for the future, and may RT have mercy on your soul, Gwinkilicious. Fuck.

My hope is that Gwink will point out to Hank that only his one-line posts even potentially qualify.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-21-2009 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 397325)
At a guess -- she'd have gotten better at it. Maybe even better than 90% of the hockey-playing population.

But never good enough to play in the NHL, because she wouldn't have the combined strength, size, and speed.

I don't think we'll really know for a couple generations.

And, a couple rule changes and the game could change pretty quickly.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-21-2009 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 397320)
Probably the same thing if y'all lived in suburban Minneapolis.

there are lesbian communes in suburban Minneapolis?

Replaced_Texan 08-21-2009 02:13 PM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 397330)
there are lesbian communes in suburban Minneapolis?

Surely there's a convent or two.


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