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Better economic growth. It's all about the economy, you said.

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The polls say we have a deeply and persistently unpopular President. Do you think that is because of the economy?

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One can find him odious but like his economy. I think most people fall into that category.

The poll question to ask is, “What is more important to you? Having a proper President, or a good economy?”

The swing voters who’ll vote Trump in 2020 will be people who figure, “I can turn off the TV and ignore Twitter for a decent economy,” or from a negative perspective, “I want him out, but things are pretty good... why take a chance at fucking it up?” That group is impossible to quantify. But I’m comfortable saying it’s a whole lot bigger than the people lathered up about Russia and obstruction. I’d say it’s about 50x the size of that group.

People care more about the economy than the “rule of law,” particularly where the law appears to be used as a political tool.

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Which polls show people upset by the FBI’s investigative techniques?

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They haven’t yet, and yet you’re acting like they have, because you’re a right wing dupe.

While you warn us of people like you.

You’re also so naive that you think the Dems can stop the GOP propaganda machine, much less stop dupes like you from believing their stories before they even offer them.

I’lol ask again, was Hillary indicted in October 2016? You said she would be. You have no ability to judge who has enough about what, because you instantly credit what ever the right wing says.

Granted, there are others as biased as you and maybe we need to be wary, but it would be nice if people like you would have more of a clue.

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Who was it that was sure Barr couldn’t be lying?

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Please tell me you are not so stupid, in 2019, as to believe the president matters much to the economy. Seriously. Are you unwell?

Literally everyone else here has learned things and grown over the years, and you’ve still got your head so far up your ass that you haven’t a clue.

It’s wasn't the economy last time and it won’t be this time. Either his hate carries the day again, despite his rampant corruption, or people care about government run for the personal benefit of the ultra wealthy. We’ll mark you down as a meh, because we already know you certainly don’t care.

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For about 15 years I've been following this issue closely, both on this board and FB- I'd say the President's impact is proportional to whether your politics align with the current President, and whether the economy is strong.

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I'm thinking of betting me some Warren and/or Harris.

Donald Trump +115
Joe Biden +450
Bernie Sanders +500
Pete Buttgieg +900
Kamala Harris +1300
Beto O’Rourke +2000
Andrew Yang +2000
Elizabeth Warren +3000
Amy Klobuchar +5000
Tulsi Gabbard +5000
Cory Booker +5500
Mike Pence +6600
Kirsten Gillibrand +6600
Nikki Haley +6600
John Hickenlooper +10000
John Kasich +10000
Julian Castro +10000
Howard Schultz +10000
Andrew Cuomo +15000
Ted Cruz +15000

LessinHamburg

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is there a way to short Trump- take the field? If I could get odds I’d put some on that. I still think there is a chance he bows out.

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And face immediate indictment by a Dem AG? Unlikely.

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ok but at some point there will be a dem prez. maybe you’ll take my action?

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None. That’s not the point. It’s meant exhaust people about the Mueller story in general and discredit what’s been found in it.

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They’re already leaking it. For every Dem move against Trump, a leak will be offered in response. They learned that tactic worked in 2016, so they’re sticking with it.

You keep assuming I buy all of the right wing stories. I don’t. But I’m immaterial. It’s how they play to the public generally. You can’t argue with my analysis of the effectiveness of the GOP’s game plan here, so you make it about what I think. I don’t know how that sort of non-response to me is supposed to move the conversation forward except to demonstrate that you find the GOP’s ability to use these tactics frustrating, and I find your frustration at the way the game is played to be kind of silly.

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Joe Sixpack associates the President with the economy. Period. What impact do I think Trump has had? I think it’s positive, but I can’t tell how much of gains since his election are connected in any way to anything he’s done and how much is natural progression out of Great Recession.

But who cares what I think. I’m not the average voter. As I noted above, the average voter thinks the President has a huge impact on the economy.

If you wish to argue with me about what I’ve learned and not learned, select a discussion in which that’s an issue. It’s not one here. And you sound like a frustrated person crafting a strawman to avoid dealing with facts you know to be true and don’t like.

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Jobs and healthcare are what won midterms for Dems in 2018. Trump can and probably will win the jobs argument, but he’s fucked on health care.

But if you were doing badly during Obama years, and many people were as a result of Great Recession, and you’ve seen improvement since end of Obama’s term and into Trump’s you’re probably prone to think, “This guy’s a dick... But I don’t want to go back to 2008, or 2012.”

Nobody’s changing vote based on Russia shit. That’s all preaching to the converted, on both sides. All these issues on which people decry Trump as immoral don’t add up to much in terms of voters. Jobs and healthcare are what matter, as stated in that NYTimes story I cited.

What we’re taking about here? Not many more people outside the small demographic to which we belong are paying attention to it.

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Where is DiBlasio?

https://youtu.be/kD30F_tjogs

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Where do we place the bets? I think the Warren/Harris bet is pretty good, but there are some others in their with odds I like almost as much.

Poor Bill Weld. He's the only declared Republican and still doesn't make the list.

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You can get him at better than Sarah Palin - https://www.oddschecker.com/politics...on-2020/winner

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Those are from Odds Shark. Open an account. Or you can bet through me and my bookie. Different odds, though. Harris is +900 and Warren +2700, but Biden is up to +675. I seem to be unable to paste the entire clown car. :D

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It's not hard to argue with you on this score, but it's also pointless. You keep recycling the same conventional wisdom as brilliant aperçus. Speaking only for myself, I try to ask you what you actually think instead of what you think other people think, but you tend to avoid those questions, as if you're more interested in not being shown up instead of trying to say something useful.

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I want to short AOC, even against 949-1. I would bet everything I own, given that she is Constitutionally ineligible.

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I don’t know. I can’t predict outcome with high confidence (I sense Trump will lose by thin margin, but the reasons for that are subject to various credible attacks). I can, however, see next chess move, and its more than likely outcome. That it happens to be a rational conclusion others agree wit is not my fault. As you’ve argued often, no one should adopt contrarian views simply to be contrarian.

And neither you nor Adder are asking me what I think will ultimately happen in election. You’re asking me what I believe in, my ideology. In politics, I don’t real have much of one. So stop asking. Nothing is more boring than people battling over whose moral code or reverence for the rule of law is superior.

What I would like you to know is that the thing you seem to find highly offensive, the thing you think ought to cause voters extreme disgust and anger, is not driving them. You’re exercised about Trump based on a belief he’s a threat to the rule of law. This is frivolous. Which I suspect you know. So below that, secondarily, you’re upset that he does not elevate the “rule of law” to the position of reverence you see it occupying. I’m saying to you that the American people don’t place it on that pedestal. Trump’s is closer to their view of the rule of law in this country than yours, particularly in politicized matters. You venerate the rule of law, hardly surprising for a lawyer. The typical American does not. He’s cynical about it. Give him a job and healthcare and he’d concede most of it.

I would not concede most of it. I don’t wish to be governed by the sentiments of Trumpists or the arrogant beliefs of know it alls frequently on display here. I think you and your Trumpist analogues are a lurid mix of the craven, brutal, silly, and naive. Armies in a battle where, if only all participants could lose together, the nation would profit immensely.

Leave me alone. That’s about all I desire. Who better to bargain with than a man like me? I’m exactly what we should be cultivating in all voters.

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It's pretty amazing that Trump bankrupted a casino, whose business model is just taking money from idiots who want to give it to you.

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Sort of. You can bet on whether the winner is a D or an R. Currently, it is -130 on a D, and even money on an R. So, you can kind of bet against Trump, but not purely. If, for example, he dies of a heart attack while eating a well done steak with ketchup, you could still lose the bet when Mike Pence ushers in a theocracy,

LessinHamburg

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It's amazing how much you know about the typical American.

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We have been through this before. No one cares, as you're a moron.

We are interested in how you intend to vote, since, as we know from the last Presidential election, morons vote.

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The surprising thing is that most Americans don't have a cock, but the typical American in Sebbyworld always does.

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Yes, people credit presidents they like for a good-performing economy and the fact that they like a particular president colors how well they believe the economy is performing.

This particular president is a good example of how little influence they actually have, though. Or I guess you can believe that the tax cut was perfectly sized to offset the trade disruptions he's causing, should you really want to believe some bs.

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You're still suggesting the people do not care about Mueller but will care about Barr's investigation.

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Yang seems weirdly overrated here.

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oh oh

http://deadstate.org/christian-right...40rBXtI8McDHvA

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Didn't you marry outside the faith, dude? You're already beyond salvation to the Christian right.

So go ahead. This won't make anything worse.

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Hell I can deal with. But I'm thinking they're talking jail time?

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I might not vote at all. I’m not sure.

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I think you do have beliefs, but like to pose as jaded.

When you say that Trump's threat to the rule of law is frivolous, you briefly hint at having your own beliefs, but then you go back to describing what you think other people think. If you actually want to have a conversation about Trump's threat to the rule of law, go for it, but I'm not sure why you think it's interesting to tell me that Joe Sixpack doesn't always agree with me, as if I didn't know that.

What's the "Trumpist analogue" to someone who cares about the rule of law? And isn't the rule of law about enabling you to be left alone if that's what you want?

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Good point.

John Kelly is probably negotiating right now to build tent prisons to hold all connilingi.

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Then they came for the recipients of unsolicited, no-strings-attached fellatio--and there was no one left to speak for me.

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Have I recently expressed my adoration of John Ross of the Institute for Justice's weekly newsletter on Federal appellate court decisions? No? Well, here is a great example, from Friday's ( https://ij.org/sc_newsletter/the-pun...ngst-unicorns/ ) post: