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former gov't 04-09-2003 05:11 PM
Hockey predictions
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Not Bob
So, I ended up getting a *sweet* deal on tickets for the Rangers playoff game at MSG, and ..... uh, what's that you say?

Seriously, I give you the following hockey predictions:[list=1]Colorado wins the West. Patrick Waaaaaaaaah will avenge that game seven loss last year.

The Senators will make it past the Isles.

The Flyers will not be able to consistently protect Mister Bean in the playoffs, and they will not generate enough offense to get past the Leafs. Owen Nolan scores more than Slave at a drunken FB get-together, and Belfour stops Amonte and Roenick.

More after the first games are played.[/list=1]
Not (hit someone!) Bob

SO no $$$ on the Washington Capitals?!

former (glutton for punishment) gov't

robustpuppy 04-09-2003 05:11 PM
A variation on my favorite stupidity defense
 
Quote:
Originally posted by paigowprincess
Dont get touchy bc you used it yourself a few days ago.
I just hate to see you resorting to cheap rhetorical gimmicks. Don't make me cite all the times that you have used that defense, classy lady.

BTW, the whole classy thing made me laugh because when I was a kid a neighbor's daughter got her first car - a Buick the model name of which is escaping me but if I say maroon, Long Island, 1980s, you'll be able to picture it -- with "Classy Ldy" as her license plate. Somehow I sensed that pointing out the inherent contradiction of the tag would not go over well.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-09-2003 05:14 PM
A variation on my favorite stupidity defense
 
Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
Oh, right, I know, it was intended to be self-deprecating.

Hang around on these Boards long enough and anything that you say will be packaged as the "classic [ineffective response]".
I'm getting sick of this little comment and you just keep making it.

You can apply this "whenever someone smacks me down it's in a form I've heard before" argument to any IRL conversation too. It's stupid and lazier than coming up with an actual response, which may also be ironic since you are accusing someone else of being lazy.

Add that one to your "classic ineffective response" list. We'll just keep building it for you.

TM

robustpuppy 04-09-2003 05:16 PM
A variation on my favorite stupidity defense
 
Why are you getting so pissed off? Of course all of this shit is applicable in real life. The same arguments happen over and over again. What's wrong with pointing out patterns? If it makes you -- or me -- less likely to resort to something weak, all the better. It makes the debates more interesting.


Edited to remove the quote because the repetition of it stung me.

Atticus Grinch 04-09-2003 05:19 PM
A variation on my favorite stupidity defense
 
Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
when I was a kid a neighbor's daughter got her first car - a Buick the model name of which is escaping me but if I say maroon, Long Island, 1980s, you'll be able to picture it
Since you said Buick, I'll say it was a Regal. But from the rest of the description, I'd swear it had to be an Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme.

Same diff. Hence, the Fletchian "Oldsmobuick."

ThurgreedMarshall 04-09-2003 05:19 PM
MBA inspired question:
 
Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
TM, I can just picture your reaction when you read that line. Did you rub your hands together in glee?
No, I was too busy typing because I didn't want someone to beat me to it.

TM

Alex_de_Large 04-09-2003 05:20 PM
Hockey predictions
 
Quote:
Originally posted by spookyfish gays?
Is that like "Arabs" or "prison guards" or "masons" or something?

robustpuppy 04-09-2003 05:23 PM
A variation on my favorite stupidity defense
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Since you said Buick, I'll say it was a Regal. But from the rest of the description, I'd swear it had to be an Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme.

Same diff. Hence, the Fletchian "Oldsmobuick."
Thank you. It was a Regal. But I think she was undecided between it and the Cutlass for a while. As you note, like it would have made a difference?

At least she didn't have a license plate (not "tag," I've really been down here for too long) that said "My Regal." I fucking hate that. Like I can't tell by looking at the back of your car what kind of fucking car it is, you money-wasting dipshit!

ThurgreedMarshall 04-09-2003 05:24 PM
A variation on my favorite stupidity defense
 
Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
Why are you getting so pissed off? Of course all of this shit is applicable in real life. The same arguments happen over and over again. What's wrong with pointing out patterns? If it makes you -- or me -- less likely to resort to something weak, all the better. It makes the debates more interesting.
That wasn't "so pissed off." That was typical TM complaint mode.

As for your actual argument, you must understand that sometimes those responses apply. So, when you say, "I heard that one already," it sounds much weaker than coming up with something your own self.

TM

spookyfish 04-09-2003 05:25 PM
Hockey predictions
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
Is that like "Arabs" or "prison guards" or "masons" or something?
Could be. I just always laughed when CTD (well, the evilboard's CTD would say "are you calling me a gay?") I guess I was just channeling the older, funnier CTD. Although being a gay (or the plural, two or more gays) may have some of the trappings of a semi-secret society like the masons, and have cool handshakes or fezzes or something, I don't know.

spookyfish

dtb 04-09-2003 05:26 PM
Hockey predictions
 
Quote:
Originally posted by paigowprincess
Apropos of nothing, but Not Bob, your avatar looke like how I imagine you to look. Sort of Wink Martindale meets the second Darrin from Bewitched meets Fred MacMurray
Interesting...

I have always pictured him as more of a Chris Cooper type (although that may be a result of his numerous references to Podunkville.)

So, which is it NotBob? Chris Cooper or the Martindale/2d Darrin/MacMurray amalgam posited by paigow? (Who is that guy anyway?)

soup sandwich 04-09-2003 05:28 PM
A variation on my favorite stupidity defense
 
Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
Why are you getting so pissed off again?
Oh, c'mon puppy, don't wilt like this!

Quote:
Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I'm getting sick of this little comment and you just keep making it.

You can apply this "whenever someone smacks me down it's in a form I've heard before" argument to any IRL conversation too. It's stupid and lazier than coming up with an actual response, which may also be ironic since you are accusing someone else of being lazy.

Add that one to your "classic ineffective response" list. We'll just keep building it for you.

TM
RP may be off base with regard to whether the "self-deprecating" angle is ineffective or not. I mean, shit, it may be a cop-out but at least there's some reasoning to it: Why'd you say this? I was being self-deprecating. Oh.

But, if the "classic smackdowns" are such lame-ass comebacks like:

You are responding to me, you must be obsessed with me
You don't know me so don't comment on what I write
Who are you
When you've been posting as long as I have...

then I'm not really sure they qualify as "smackdowns". They're just bullshit.

Not Bob 04-09-2003 05:28 PM
Hockey predictions
 
Quote:
Originally posted by soup sandwich
I'm not sure who Mister Bean is, but I'm sure once the Flyers figure out who he is Hitchcock will come up with a way to protect him. Flyers in 5. In my heart I think they will sweep, but I don;t want to be too much of a homer. They are too deep and the Leafs are too banged up.
By "Mister Bean," I mean unibrowed Roman Cechmanek. The guy looks *exactly* like Mister Bean, NTTAWWT.

In the battle of the goalies, it's Belfour over Floppy. (Uh, that's Cechmanek again). Not Bobby Clarke will be wailing and gnashing his teeth as Broad Street rises up in fury over the loss.

soup sandwich 04-09-2003 05:31 PM
Hockey predictions
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Not Bob
By "Mister Bean," I mean unibrowed Roman Cechmanek. The guy looks *exactly* like Mister Bean, NTTAWWT.

In the battle of the goalies, it's Belfour over Floppy. (Uh, that's Cechmanek again). Not Bobby Clarke will be wailing and gnashing his teeth as Broad Street rises up in fury over the loss.
See now, to me "Floppy" is Hextall, so perhaps we should just stick with Mr. Bean.

dtb 04-09-2003 05:33 PM
A variation on my favorite stupidity defense
 
Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
I just hate to see you resorting to cheap rhetorical gimmicks. Don't make me cite all the times that you have used that defense, classy lady.
Just a guess, but I can't think of anything that would make steam come out of paigow's ears faster than being called "classy lady".

;)

elvis_balfour 04-09-2003 05:33 PM
MBA inspired question:
 
Quote:
Originally posted by LessinSF
People keep telling me to post over here, but all I see is a rehash of what we knew:

1. Paigow is pigheaded and wrong;
2. Everyone else knows it; yet
3. Y'all can't resist responding to her even though you would flee her table and a similar conversation IRL like an Iraqi_refugee, an ingrate, or a non-PC chef if you made the mistake of sitting next to her at dinner.
No argument here.

elvis_balfour 04-09-2003 05:35 PM
Crass
 
Quote:
Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
PP,

As I've said before, those most prone to make class distinctions are those most uncomfortable with their class status. Phrased otherwise, if you have to blather about class, chances are you don't have it (whatever the hell you define it as, since your definition of class is conveniently fluid enough to change to fit whatever tortured argument you are offering).

I'm just a dumb hick (no Mayflower lineage here) but I've been a member at a few golf courses since I was a kid, and I know which forks to use, etc... I'm qualified to recognize the difference between nouveau/obnoxious and "class," so I'll offer you this observation - your posts do not evidence one who has a reservoir of what the white shoe crowd considers "class." Class is keeping your status in your pocket. I have never heard an old WASP talk like you. To the contrary, I've heard doctor's wives and overextended lawyers' kids ramble on about how "the new money wrecked the neighborhood." I've heard comments like yours among women exiting their leased Benzes at Neiman's or Saks in the King of Prussia Mall or Short Hills. And I've heard those same hollow laments from stupid young brokers and leveraged tech people at the bar in the Breakers. Your comments are all very Boca, but they ain't Palm Beach Proper.

That you made breast implants into a referdum on class underscores my points and leads me to the suspicion that your diatribes on class are deflections of insecurity about your own status. I'd say your comments sound like they were lifted from Yeats or Fitzgerald (two of the the most unabashed unworthy class critics of the 20th century) , but they actually come off more like Bret Easton Ellis.

S(you want judgment, you got it)D
That's just crass.

Alex_de_Large 04-09-2003 05:36 PM
Hockey predictions
 
Quote:
Originally posted by dtb So, which is it NotBob? Chris Cooper or the Martindale/2d Darrin/MacMurray amalgam posited by paigow? (Who is that guy anyway?)
That's ESPN's Barry Melrose, naturally. The bigger issue is, Not Bob, do you have a mullet?

elvis_balfour 04-09-2003 05:36 PM
class, democracy and boobs
 
Quote:
Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Actually, PP, you don't know any "dirty little secrets," because the folks who would discuss those secrets simply wouldn't converse with your kind, and you know it.

You are entitled to any opinion under the sun, but you aren't entitled to speak on behalf of those who'd never even shake your hand.

By the way, "convo" is sooo '99, and soooo Stamford.

And don't say "I'm just making observations on what I think is class" - what you are really saying is "By an objective standard which I am privileged to know, I have class, and (insert target of ire here) doesn't." You don't get to make that call. You won't admit it here, but you goddamn well its true. Get over yourself.

S(this ain't personal - I still like you and wish you'd bag this bullshit attitude)D
That's even more crass.

elvis_balfour 04-09-2003 05:38 PM
Dull
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
A fun book: Class, by Paul Fussell. Sort of dated now, by kind of a field guide. You would particularly like it.

He says there are nine classes:

Top out-of-sight
Upper
Upper middle
--------
Middle
High proletarian
Mid-proletarian
Low proletarian
--------
Destitute
Bottom out-of-sight

edited to add content
Sounds like a very dull book.

elvis_balfour 04-09-2003 05:41 PM
MBA inspired question:
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Mister_Ruysbroeck
I'm not missing the point. I learned that lesson a couple days ago.

However, that doesn't make forwarding PMs any less shitty especially when they have nothing to do with the people they're being forwarded to. In this case, I was trying to address something I saw as a personal issue between me and paigow, and she decided to involve other people. To me, that's shitty.

In my mind, if someone takes up an issue they have with me in private, I wouldn't make that coversation public, even if I thought the person was off his or her rocker. Not because I am bound not to take it public, but because, in actuality, the person is showing a bit of discretion by addressing things in private and I appreciate that level of discretion. I mean, maybe there was a miscommunication and the person just wanted an explanation. Should other people be involved in that case?

Now, if the person is doing nothing more than flinging insults, then there should be no expectation of privacy, but that's not what happened here. While my tone may have been a bit confrontational, all that happened was that Paigow said something that made me wonder and I asked her about it in private. That made me a psycho, I guess, and justified sending around the "crazy" PMs she got from me.

In the end, I acknowledge this whole thing was all my fault. I should have known that paigow is incapable of using discretion when addressing personal matters.

edited: I see you posted something I agree with, namely, that if the PM is purely an insult, you run the risk of being exposed as a spineless jerk, but that isn't what happened with me and paigow.
Would you tell a secret to a hairstylist?

Not Bob 04-09-2003 05:42 PM
Hockey predictions
 
Quote:
Originally posted by dtb
Interesting...

I have always pictured him as more of a Chris Cooper type (although that may be a result of his numerous references to Podunkville.)

So, which is it NotBob? Chris Cooper or the Martindale/2d Darrin/MacMurray amalgam posited by paigow? (Who is that guy anyway?)
"That guy" is Barry Melrose, former NHL coach and current ESPN hockey analyst. It's a temporary avatar only; I'll return to Bob Newhart shortly.

And as for my looks -- is it Chris Cooper or Wink+ Darren2 + Fred = Barry? Neither -- more of a Hal Holbrook as Mark Twain.

Alex_de_Large 04-09-2003 05:46 PM
Hockey predictions
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Not Bob
"That guy" is Barry Melrose, former NHL coach and current ESPN hockey analyst. It's a temporary avatar only; I'll return to Bob Newhart shortly.

And as for my looks -- is it Chris Cooper or Wink+ Darren2 + Fred = Barry? Neither -- more of a Hal Holbrook as Mark Twain.
You still have not answered my question, NB...

http://www.yakresearch.com/gifs/koolkids/mullet.jpg

robustpuppy 04-09-2003 05:48 PM
A variation on my favorite stupidity defense
 
Quote:
Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
That wasn't "so pissed off." That was typical TM complaint mode.

As for your actual argument, you must understand that sometimes those responses apply. So, when you say, "I heard that one already," it sounds much weaker than coming up with something your own self.

TM
Well to the extent I was making an actual argument -- sometimes the responses apply, and sometimes they don't. Of course, everybody else will judge the applicability of it when they read and form their own opinions, and their judgments will be informed by how they "get" the other poster.

For example, I believed Paigow when she said she was playing with "classy," but not because of her lengthy explanation, which smacked of protesting too much (becausethe "I was kidding" or "it was deliberate" or "you have fallen into my trap" response seems like a post-hoc thing even when it's not). I'm sensitive to it because it's not uncommon that people don't realize that I'm being facetious. Not just here, where it's to be expected because it ruins the fun if you point out the joke as you're making it, but IRL, too.

And like you, Francis, I've got standards that I impose on other people but can't always live up to myself. But it looks good on me, no?

Atticus Grinch 04-09-2003 05:49 PM
Hockey predictions
 
Quote:
Originally posted by spookyfish
Although being a gay (or the plural, two or more gays) may have some of the trappings of a semi-secret society like the masons, and have cool handshakes or fezzes or something, I don't know.
Wait a minute. Are you saying your prior post was meant to imply that Mr. Dick Sargent was a gay? Just because his real name was Richard Cox doesn't prove anything. I'm sure lots of strapping young boys are named Dick Cox and they don't grow up to be one of the gayim. Indeed, they probably spurn all things penile, tempted as they may be. The way women named "Missy" and "Kitty" spurn the Junior League.

If you're implying that the ex-husband --- NOTE: ex-HUSBAND --- of the redoubtable Fannie Flagg of "Match Game PM" fame, and a very luscious and feminine panelist she was, and probably good in the sack, then you're going to just have to SHUT YOUR GODDAMN MOUTH about Mr. Dick Sargent. Next you'll be telling us that Elizabeth Montgomery battled alcohol. You're on deck for the Ignore list, bub.

robustpuppy 04-09-2003 05:50 PM
A variation on my favorite stupidity defense
 
Quote:
Originally posted by soup sandwich
Oh, c'mon puppy, don't wilt like this!



RP may be off base with regard to whether the "self-deprecating" angle is ineffective or not. I mean, shit, it may be a cop-out but at least there's some reasoning to it: Why'd you say this? I was being self-deprecating. Oh.

I'm not off base on the self-deprecating thing. I meant self-mocking. See, I was being self-mocking, because I used that defense myself in the past!

Am I not clever?

r (I wilt because I hate to be misunderstood, and I'm afraid of Thurgreed) p

p.s. the second part of the p.s. was a joke. I WAS KIDDING!

edited to change "Aren't I clever" to "Am I not clever," because the latter is so deliciously pretentiously grammatical.

Alex_de_Large 04-09-2003 05:58 PM
Elvis Balfour
 
Socking again, paigow?

Ad(and no, as leagl pointed out, mods can't see through socks)L

ThurgreedMarshall 04-09-2003 06:02 PM
A variation on my favorite stupidity defense
 
Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
blahdedy blah blah...smacked of...
This almost made me hit the ignore button. bleh. Do you really talk like that?

Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
the "I was kidding" or "it was deliberate" or "you have fallen into my trap" response seems like a post-hoc thing
I thought this was obvious. Typical paigow.

Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
And like you, Francis, I've got standards that I impose on other people but can't always live up to myself.
Are you suggesting that I don't live up to the many rules I think up? Bite your unpierced tongue. I am above reproach. As anyone can see, I am the master of doing as I say and saying as I...okay. I can't even finish that one.

TM

robustpuppy 04-09-2003 06:05 PM
A variation on my favorite stupidity defense
 
Quote:
Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
This almost made me hit the ignore button. bleh. Do you really talk like that?
What can I say, law school totally fucked me up.

Did it have the same effect on you, or was it a pre-existing condition?

(Uh, yeah, it took me a few minutes to think of that second line.)

Replaced_Texan 04-09-2003 06:26 PM
A few things that bug me today
 
1.) Again, all cars that do not have me inside of them should not be allowed on the road.

2.) The next time I request a needs-to-happen-absolutely-under-all-circumstances-must-occur project for a deadline from the IT people, remind me to tell them that the compliance deadline is a month earlier than it really is. Their date of completion of the project and the compliance deadline should not be in the same calendar month.

3.) I don't make nearly enough money for the shit I am put through.

4.) I don't have nearly the budget for the shit I am expected to put through.

5.) (not nearly the same aggravation level as the rest, but a concern) Should I bring a gift to a dinner party that my cousin is hosting to announce his engagement to this side of the family? He's springing for a nice restaurant for about 15 or so of us.

6.) I found out I need glasses because I failed a drivers test to get my license. My laser surgeon is going to do a tune up, but I'm still not happy about this.

7.) Taxes.

Alex_de_Large 04-09-2003 06:33 PM
A few things that bug me today
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Replaced_Texan My laser surgeon is going to do a tune up, but I'm still not happy about this.
I had no idea that was possible.

robustpuppy 04-09-2003 06:34 PM
A few things that bug me today
 
RT,

I totally agree with 1, wish I could help on 2,3, and 4. As for 5, you should bring a small gift for your cousin as a reward for hosting his own engagement announcement dinner. That is very admirable.

I sympathize on 6 because I now regret the surgery I had to correct nearsightedness, as I am getting very slightly farsighted (quite early for that, drat) and would be approaching the break-even point in a few years.

Also sympathize on 7 -- I hope finally to finish taxes tonight, along with a bottle of shiraz. I'm assuming you have both turbotax and alcohol in the house?

Tyrone Slothrop 04-09-2003 06:38 PM
A few things that bug me today
 
Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
Also sympathize on 7 -- I hope finally to finish taxes tonight, along with a bottle of shiraz. I'm assuming you have both turbotax and alcohol in the house?
There may be an inverse relationship between shiraz consumed and your expected refund.

My addition to the list: Cashiers who hand you bills and then stack the change on top of them on your hand in an architecturally precious but nevertheless annoying way.

former gov't 04-09-2003 06:39 PM
A few things that bug me today
 
Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
Also sympathize on 7 -- I hope finally to finish taxes tonight, along with a bottle of shiraz. I'm assuming you have both turbotax and alcohol in the house?

Taxes! i don pay no shtinkin tashes
(What happens when former gov't does her taxes with wine/whine - always end up with a hangover and filing an extension)

Replaced_Texan 04-09-2003 06:40 PM
A few things that bug me today
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
I had no idea that was possible.
Apparently it is. I was told that my corneas are still thick enough for it to be done once more, but not again after that.

robustpuppy 04-09-2003 06:43 PM
A few things that bug me today
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Apparently it is. I was told that my corneas are still thick enough for it to be done once more, but not again after that.
Now I'm worried about your peepers. It sounds like the surgeon is talking about a pre-finished hardwood floor. Are you sure you want to do that?

evenodds 04-09-2003 06:47 PM
A few things that bug me today
 
I have two things that bug me today:

(1) Not having a good excuse between meetings thereby getting volunteered to find hotel rooms for a friend's bachelor party, and

(2) Still not getting invited to the stupid bachelor party.

Even(yes, I am a girl, but still . . . )Odds

Replaced_Texan 04-09-2003 06:52 PM
A few things that bug me today
 
Quote:
Originally posted by robustpuppy
Now I'm worried about your peepers. It sounds like the surgeon is talking about a pre-finished hardwood floor. Are you sure you want to do that?
Yeah. My father has four first cousins that are opthalmologists and we vetted every single person who could possibly touch my eyes before settling on the best guy in town. My surgeon is probably the number one laser surgeon in the city. He's published very well, he's been awarded a chair by the medical school he's affiliated with, his research has been very successful, and most importantly, he has the respect of his peers. I have no problem with his touching my eyes again.

former gov't 04-09-2003 07:19 PM
A few things that bug me today
 
Quote:
Originally posted by evenodds
I have two things that bug me today:

(1) Not having a good excuse between meetings thereby getting volunteered to find hotel rooms for a friend's bachelor party, and

(2) Still not getting invited to the stupid bachelor party.

Even(yes, I am a girl, but still . . . )Odds
Hey if you located the room, you know where it'll be - crash it.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-09-2003 08:15 PM
Another RT link.
 
Quote:
Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
http://www.trevorvanmeter.com/flyguy/ (random flash guy who you can make fly around)
This is kinda fun, especially if you dig New York:

Mr. Beller's Neighborhood
(spree: hard to explain, but nothing you wouldn't want someone to see unless they're offended by a map of lower Manhattan)


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