Discuss amongst yourselves.
 

In a 218 to 201 vote, the ABA's policy-making body amended its ethics code to allow, but not require, lawyers to breach attorney-client privilege if they believe doing so would stop a client from committing a financial crime or fraud.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

Discuss amongst yourselves.
 

this is an interesting development, as the SEC attempted to require something similiar, but the position papers submitted by 80 or so law firms watered it down (to require the lawfirm to first go to the board and then, if necessary, withdraw "noisily"), relying on attorney-client privilege.

Spray on tan
 

Slave may disagree but he also shaves his arms so take it fwiw. HMDV

There is no such thing as garden party chic
 

AMDV

Dude, you have no business talking about party attire.

Look at this atrocity you wore when I saw you in SF

Monday Poll
 

my fear about screwing on camera would be, that it ends up too mundane to make the actual show. that would hurt.

The Federales vs attorney client privilege
 

Originally posted by bilmore

This business of blaming the client thing is quite odd. Generally, the problem seems less the client than a promoter of some legal, accounting, finance, or regulatory chicanery, a promoter who increasingly is an attorney. The attorneys have following bankers, consultants, and accountants down the rabbit-hole of selling legal, finance, and regulatory products.

The government responded to such activities in the tax area by enacting IRC 6111 & 6112, which require the registration of certain transactions as potentially abusive tax shelters and the maintenance of client lists with respect to such transactions. The IRS is empowered to demand such lists. Currently, there's litigation under those provisions where clients, suing as Does and Roes who have asserted privilege under Section 7525 (akin to attorney-client-privilege) or attorney client privilege to avoid having their identities disclosed. I expect the courts will generally find against such taxpayers, and if not, Congress will weaken Section 7525 and attorney-client privilege, to allow the IRS to get at such client lists.

I also expect that if attorneys in practice areas other than tax move away from acting in their traditional capacity as a professional with respect to a transaction, and toward acting as a promoter, those attorneys will face similar attacks on privilege. The privilege was not designed to protect lawyers acting as bankers. These aren't situations where where the client has done some evil shit and wants advice from a litigator. It's more a situation where some lawyer designs or promotes a tax, finance, or regulatory arbitrage/product/insert-euphemism-of-choice and goes CFO-to-CFO peddling the thing.

Justine Henin-Hardenne
 

A friend lent me a copy of his high-performance coaching USTA newsletter. There's a series of pictures of Kuerten, Roddick, and Henin-Hardenne swinging through a forehand. I don't really watch tennis so I hadn't noticed before, but Henin's got great legs, and a great body period. I flipped to her stats on the web and she's something like 5'5" 125 lbs. Anyone who thinks she's a skeletor is smoking dope.

Justine Henin-Hardenne
 

Home sick today, coup?

Hantuchova, who weighs about the same but is sis feet tall is the skeletor. Henin-Hardenne is the one I mistakely thought married daddy. she does bear a serious resemblance to the gal the mustachioed chick is dallying with, fwiw.

And speaking of tennis, I cannot decide if it is worth goig to the Open this year. Serena is out, Venus is likely out, Monica is likely out (if she issnt already), Lindsay's foot hurt in the finals at Carson on Sunday, Jennifer Capriati is injured and could be out. The women's matches will be a bore.

And on the men's side, there are only a handful of players I enjoy watching - Federer and Henman play net which is the funnest to watch though I am not enamored of either player. Roddick is fun but I am not enamored of him yet. i heart Agassi but he has been looking slow lately and at the moment, I dont pick him to go as far as I like (I predict quarters but I need to see the draw). I heart Phillipoussis but he isnt usually around past the round of 16. Herwitt has gone down the tubes. Blake is overhyped (I am loathe to admit). I am not sure there are other interesting players. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck. Is this a good use of Labor Day weekend?

Editd to add that I forgot two of my laminated list men - Moya and Kuerten. Kuerten wont go far but we may not see much more of him bc his hip hurts. Moya goes quite far and will probably be making more visits to me in my dreams. maybe it s worth going to.

rest of lam list is phillipoussis, benicio del toro and anthony kiedis with mcconaughey on reserve.

The Cat Slippery Slope
 

We should conduct a lunacy poll. I was always pretty sure who was crazy and who wasn't from posting styles, but it might be easier to just ask how many cats you have.

Thurgreed(bonus wackadoo points if you call them "kitties")Marshall

The Cat Slippery Slope
 

I have 2 cats. I very briefly had 3 cats when I was in law school, I rescued the kitten. I took a look around and said you know what, 3 cats is too many cats and is verging on freaky, so I found a home for the kitten. I will stay at 2 cats, and since they are getting old, when the eldest dies, maybe I'll get a dog. I don't see getting another cat though.

The Cat Slippery Slope
 

Don't you mean itty bitty baby kitties with big kittie claws? Are additional points awarded if you talk to your kitties? What if you respond for them in a witty bitty voice starting sentences with "he/she says" (like "he says he's a hungry itty bitty baby kittie")? What if you have taken to calling at least one of your kitties Pretty Little Flower (the overweight one that has cow markings and was found in a trailer park)? :wink:

The Cat Slippery Slope
 

I have two cats. I don't especially like them but felt obligated to provide a home for them. I call them "the creepy crawlers"

Justine Henin-Hardenne
 

Matthew McConaughey?

Ewwwwww.


Edited to add: I have no problem with MMcC the movie star. He's icky IRL. Had you lived in Austin in the late 90s, you would have had plenty of opportunities to use your laminated list.

The Cat Slippery Slope
 

What if she types messages to your imaginary friends . . .
and carries a torch for a certain assertive canine?

Does that make me crazy?

Even(one cat, siamese, talks a lot)Odds

The Cat Slippery Slope
 

I don't know about how crazy this makes you, but since I am frequently one of the recipients to these messages and my response is pretty much always to type "Hi [cat's name]" that probably says something about how crazy I am.

Justine Henin-Hardenne
 

don't hate him bc he is non ethnic.

tell me more about his studding ways.

News Flash!
 

Gigli "wasn't good"

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movi...eut/index.html

News Flash!
 

Ben passes the buck and blames the director (and whoever did the editing). Right, and when that doesn't stick, expect him to blame the writer(s). And the camera people, and then the caterers. It couldn't be him or J-Ho, could it?

Which reminds me, has anyone ever officially declared Aff-Ho to be a 'good' actor, and if so, when? I finally got around to seeing 'The Sum of All Fears' and though Ben was awful. By far the worst, least plausible Jack Ryan of them all.

News Flash!
 

There goes Schadenfreude...I guess it was time for me to stop using it anyway IRL...

Mormon hypo
 

Ok biatch. See for yourself: Levels of Mormon Heaven and Hell.

(SPREE: The afterlife according to Mormonism)

My Favorite Quote:

OUTER DARKNESS: Non-mormons will be imprisoned in this "Hell" until the resurrection and final judgment. Then Satan and his angels will be cast there for eternity, along with a few "Sons of Perdition," or really evil humans.


I particularly like the concept of non-mormons being put in hell first, where they can sit around and wait until Satan and the angels join them. Which reminds me, do you think they wear flip-flops and capris in Outer Darkness?

As for knowing more Mormons than I do, that is not particularly impressive. I'm willing to stipulate that you in fact know more Mormons than I do.

Monday Poll
 

First of all, only losers go on reality tv, so they probably wouldn't even give me a second look. But if they did, I would definitely do the dance with no steps, should the occassion arise.

Amazing Race. I would do it for all the world to see. And I'd want it to be with a hot girl from another team who was on the show to evaluate the relationship of whatever guy she was with. I know this has been done, but it's so fucking funny that it'd be worth it to do again.

No live feeds on Amazing Race, but I'd give the crew a thrill. She could blow me and then I'd hit her slotsy.

TM

Laughing at others' pain
 

This is the only possible reason I can come up with to explain the (otherwise extremely embarrassing for our country) success of the tv genre "America's Funniest ___________".

The funniest ones are where people have horrible mishaps that suggest that they have suffered serious bodily injury (come to think of it -- do they ever show anything else?).

There's one that I still get the giggles over just recalling the scene: one of those picnic tables where the benches are connected to the table. Yep -- you guessed it -- one too many people sitting on one side of the table, nobody on the opposite bench, and the inevitable flip-up of the table and all its contents (I'm sure a jello salad was among the delectables) while the people sitting on the bench fall on their backs.

HILARIOUS I tell you!

Monday Poll
 

It is pretty fun, isn't it? It's my second favorite hobby after tennis and bluffing.

The Cat Slippery Slope
 

No cats, but SO has one that I am quite fond of. I'm pretty sure I could not live in a house with more than 2 animals. But my mom broke me of any urge to do so by having 3+ dogs most of the time that I was growing up.

n(not a wackado)cs

Laughing at others' pain
 

I have a vivid memory of a fat cat sitting on a tv sleeping who just falls over for no particular reason. Why this was being filmed I have no idea.

But, my friend in college who was a psych major actually wrote a paper on why we laugh at other's falling over. I of course never read it bc I was doing bong hits and bangingb the ultimate team.

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them
 

FoxNews = Fair & Balanced? I don't think so....

NEW YORK (AP) -- Fox News Channel has sued liberal humorist Al Franken and the Penguin Group to stop them from using the phrase "fair and balanced" in the title of his upcoming book.

Filed Monday in Manhattan, the trademark infringement lawsuit seeks to force a Penguin publisher, Dutton books, to rename the book, "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right." It also asks for unspecified damages.

Fox News registered "Fair & Balanced" as a trademark in 1995, the lawsuit said.

Franken's "intent is clear -- to exploit Fox News' trademark, confuse the public as to the origins of the book and, accordingly, boost sales of the book," it said.

Dutton spokeswoman Lisa Johnson accused Fox News' parent company, News Corp., of trying to suppress the book, which is due out next month.

"The attempt to keep the public from reading Franken's message is un-American," she said.

[I'd post the link, but that's the whole story. It's on (surprise) cnn.com.]

News Flash!
 

This is not true. He's just saying this for publicity. And where's the spoiler space?

Justine Henin-Hardenne
 

He is so on my laminated list*. I have heard, though, that he's pretty skanky in real life. But in the pic-chas, they do make him look dreamy! (Swoon.)


*My husband is attuned to this fact. So much so that whenever some movie is on tv that includes My Dreamboat in the cast, my husband says, "Hey, isn't your boyfriend in this movie?" (or something to that effect.) The last time he said this, our eldest child looked a little confused -- we had to explain that daddy was only kidding.

Monday Poll
 

Was this Amanda and David the first week? I think that I missed a few of those shows. Anyway, no one ever had sex before in the house? How can you tell, if it's under the covers? I seem to recall, even if not in BB4, some serious under-the-covers action in previous BBs ( I caught a few episodes here and there), and I don't know how you can tell. Once a person is on top of another and they're making out, who can tell if underthings get pulled aside and things get put into other things when it's all under the covers.

We were all in college once, I would imagine, and maybe a few of us have even had roommate in the room sex. This couldn't be that different from that. Unless one party is really a screamer or a thrasher, how can you tell?

As an answer to the poll, I think this would depend how much I could subconsciously ignore the cameras. Even though I say that I would always know that they were there, it seems that everyone one these shows always talks about how they just forget they're there after a while.

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them
 

From Drudge:

"Franken is neither a journalist nor a television news personality," according to the complaint. "He is not a well-respected voice in American politics; rather, he appears to be shrill and unstable. His views lack any serious depth or insight."

Shrill? Oh dear!

Franken is also accused of verbally attacking O'Reilly and Sean Hannity on at least two occasions, and of being "either intoxicated or deranged"

Of course, one would have to be either to attack Bill O'Reilly.

Tapped Out
 

Often, dogs can be a little jumpy around toddlers. Toddlers tend to make jerky movements, they tend to be closer to the sizes of dogs (which seems to engender some competitive or instinctual feelings in dogs) and they often make high-pitched noises.

A couple times, I've seen a dog try to jump up on a toddler, which results in a paw to the chest, which results in a toddler flying backwards with surprising speed and force. In each case, the kid was unhurt, and I hope he came away with an understanding of how to use his hands, body and voice to control a dog, instead of being petrified of dogs. Of course, having a thirty pound weight disadvantage on a dog will really require some skill, so the kid will have his work cut out for him until he gets bigger.

In both cases, the dog seemed as surprised by the flight as the kid did, and went over to sniff around the fallen, crying child to check out the situation. This, of course, contributed to the terror, as I'm sure the kid thought that the dog was coming up to rip his neck open.

Good times, dogs and kids. Good times.

(Of course, I don't think any sort of dog/child activity is funny if the kid is actually in danger, and I would never put either in such a situation. Unless it was on a reality show.)

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them
 

Poor Bill O'Reilly. And he is so unable to stand up and defend himself. For shame.

Maybe Fox News was "Fair & Balanced" in 1995 (I really don't know on this), but isn't there some way to take the trademark away if for the last 5 years it has not been "Fair & Balanced"? Did Fox News trademark "Fair and Balanced" or only "Fair & Balanced"? The sad thing for Fox News is that all they are doing is drumming up publicity for Franken's book. Sorta like when the Bond films studio sued Goldmember.

All I know is that after reading "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot", I tend to agree that Rush Limbaugh IS a big fat idiot (okay, I might have thought that before).

Laughing at others' pain
 

That is freaky b/c when I read the first post about "America's Funniest.....", the only funny clip I could ever remember seeing was one of a cat falling off of a television (I don't remember whether it was fat). Is this a bizarre coincidence or do they have a clip of a cat falling off of a tv on every episode of "America's Funniest Whatever"?

And to keep my number of posts down (i don't want to be a loser and hit the dreaded 150), if I got on a reality tv show (fingers crossed for a fifth season of Amazing Race), I would try to have sex with the host. Would that be a first? Phil is yummy.

Monday Musings
 

Quite obviously, you are pregnant with a baby girl. Or your mom is. The father is Mark Dayton.

Cats, dogs and children
 

I remember the cat falling, mainly, because my cat does something similar. She falls off the couch when she is sleeping and is quite put out when I laugh at her.

As far as dogs, this weekend 3 dogs (Corgis) rushed the baby, actually they were rushing the baby's father who apparently startled them, and he was behind the baby. They stopped a few feet away and started to bark really loud. The baby stared at them for a moment with his mouth open, and then, in slow motion, his bottom lip started to quiver and he burst into tears.

He was fine not 2 seconds later, chasing the dogs around, and again, very funny.


Edited to say ooh I like my posting number. 969

Is that like an oral sex threesome? And is the first 9 just sort of out there in the cold, miserable and ignored?

Paradise Hotel (anyone watching this?)
 

So after Toni was ousted last week (not a spoiler b/c there is likely no one watching anyway, and the action is from 8 days ago), she has vowed to stay off the reality shows --

"Seemingly ubiquitous reality TV star Toni Ferrari, she of the bug eyes and Love Cruise, was voted out of Paradise Hotel last week. Now, she tells TV Guide that she's "done" with reality TV. "I think the world's had enough of Toni. I think they've overdosed on Toni, and they want me out. They're done with me. I don't think the world would miss me if I was gone.""


My question - how long does this camera whore last with her promise? I think she may have the world record for most unaffiliated reality shows appeared on:

Love Cruise, on which she was a beotsch
Blind Date, on which she emasculated her "date" and might have offered to bench press him or something
Paradise Hotel, on which she used her beotsch powers to attempt to manipulate others

Ah, Toni, we'll miss you.

Ps to Paigow: You really are going to catch third. I'm not even close and I'm sure we all agree that I post too much. WTG.

Paradise Hotel (anyone watching this?)
 

Nope, I will be fourth. I may have to pull a temporaary SI (is there such a thing as a permanent SI?) to ensure this. What a masterful way of Lester to get me to shut the fuck up. then again,maybe I wont.

and yes, thurgreed, I did that to annoy you.

Laminated list
 

My husband is similar - I think he's more familiar with my laminated list than I am. But he finds mine fascinating, because the people on it are rather strange, and none are remotely like him, or like each other. In fact, he's significantly better looking than just about all of them, except for Johny Depp. It is hard to feel threatened by Lance Henriksen and an 80 year old Ricardo Montalban.

Though he was almost as disturbed as Pony by my addition of Vin Diesel.

edited to add: Paddy Ashdown, now he's got some potential to be threatening. But the last pic I saw he's starting to look a little puffy, he may find himself off the list ....

Cats, dogs and children
 

I think this was Methuselah's age at death. Just sayin'.

There is no such thing as garden party chic
 

Silly boy, dress is simply a way for people like me to differentiate our crowd from the hordes of people like all of you. It's not that I know the "rules" -- please. The idea that there are "rules" that one must "know" is absurd. Only a striver would attempt to memorize such nonsense.

"But Snidely," you say. "How do you always wear the right thing?" Sigh. It's so easy. My man MacGillicuddy lays out my clothes for each function.

Anyhoo, ta-ta for now.