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ThrashersFan 08-12-2003 02:45 PM

Transexuals
 
Quote:

Originally posted by baltassoc
[Sandy Stone]
"Allucquére Rosanne (Sandy) Stone"

"She lives in Austin, Texas and Santa Cruz, California with her husband Cynbe ru Taren (aka Jeffrey Prothero) and their cat, The."

Apparently the number of cats one has is not always an accurate test for wackadooness -- or at least having fewer than 3 does not guarantee a non-wackadoo.

edited to note that I do not find sex change/transgender/etc wackadoo -- Sandy Stone, however, is simply wackadoo without the identity issue (read her cv, etc and you shall see).

Anne Elk 08-12-2003 02:51 PM

Transgendered (and more catsup)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze
I know it is confusing, I find it so still, but I am learning.

Ecxcellent summary of hetero/homo/bi and transgendered individuals.
Very confusing. I'm really befuddled by the partners of the transgendered folks. The transgendered folks start off as attracted to a certain sex and maintain that attraction throughout the process. I'm more confused by the 'other' in the relationship, who was initially attracted to a boy but is now (post-op/hormones/etc) attracted to a girl. Or vice versa. I guess it all depends on how open the transgendered person was in the relationship.

More catsup ...
I was at the 1980 victory over the Russians. Wow! That building (and the street afterwards) was electric! I still get goose pimples watching the documentary.

notcasesensitive 08-12-2003 03:12 PM

Transgendered (and more catsup)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Anne Elk
Very confusing. I'm really befuddled by the partners of the transgendered folks. The transgendered folks start off as attracted to a certain sex and maintain that attraction throughout the process. I'm more confused by the 'other' in the relationship, who was initially attracted to a boy but is now (post-op/hormones/etc) attracted to a girl. Or vice versa. I guess it all depends on how open the transgendered person was in the relationship.

Yeah, it would be pretty weird for that person. Seems like that are a fair number of (presumably hetero) women who stay in relationships with men who become women. I would guess that women might be more willing than men to say - well I loved this person as a man, I still love em as a woman. I'm not sure men would be able to switch sides as quickly. Maybe the relationships have turned more platonic by that point anyway? As has been known to be the case in more than one marriage...

Mr. Man 08-12-2003 03:30 PM

Transgendered (and more catsup)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Yeah, it would be pretty weird for that person. Seems like that are a fair number of (presumably hetero) women who stay in relationships with men who become women. I would guess that women might be more willing than men to say - well I loved this person as a man, I still love em as a woman. I'm not sure men would be able to switch sides as quickly. Maybe the relationships have turned more platonic by that point anyway? As has been known to be the case in more than one marriage...
I think women take to the concept of free agency more readily then men do... Same problem with the NFL and the increasing female viewers.

ABBAKiss 08-12-2003 03:50 PM

Transexuals
 
Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze
Percentage of transgendered people who are gay
Not sure I grasp this question but Jean (the female Jean) has a boyfriend. So she would have been gay pre-op and will be straight post-op. This is confusing.

notcasesensitive 08-12-2003 03:56 PM

Transexuals
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
Not sure I grasp this question but Jean (the female Jean) has a boyfriend. So she would have been gay pre-op and will be straight post-op. This is confusing.
See The Crying Game; see also Boys Don't Cry.

ThurgreedMarshall 08-12-2003 04:00 PM

Laminated list
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
In fact, he's significantly better looking than just about all of them, except for Johny Depp. It is hard to feel threatened by Lance Henriksen and an 80 year old Ricardo Montalban.

Though he was almost as disturbed as Pony by my addition of Vin Diesel.
While I can't say I know all the people on your list or can even remember who they are, I can say that the Mr. is not as good looking as Vin Diesel.

Thurgreed(nothing personal, of course)Marshall

dtb 08-12-2003 04:02 PM

Nicole Kidman & Lenny Kravitz? and Transsexuals
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
A friend of mine hung out in [Lenny Kravitz's] studio in New Orleans quite a bit last year doing some artwork for him. Said he as a very cool, very nice guy.
A friend of mine went to kindergarten and first grade with him in NYC (until Lenny moved to LA). My friend (let's call him John for the purposes of this story) saw him at a concert or something (Lenny was attending, not performing), surrounded by bodyguards, and John went up to him and said, "Hey -- we went to kindergarten together!" Lenny whipped around, and looked at him accusingly and said, "WHERE?" John was taken aback, but then answered (correctly, obviously), at which point Lenny said, "Hey -- cool! [&c]" and they had a brief conversation, at the end of which John realized he'd never even told Lenny his name -- although they spoke of some third kindergarten friend at length.

John was so upset that he forgot to tell Lenny his name. I'm sure they would be really tight now were it not for that unfortunate mental lapse.

Replaced_Texan 08-12-2003 04:15 PM

Headlights and speed traps
 
Not regarding nipples.

When I was a kid, if a driver passed a cop waiting in an obvious speed trap or about to get back in his car after pulling someone over, the driver would warn oncoming traffic of the potential ticket by flashing his lights.

Is that regional or did was it pretty widespread? Does anyone do this anymore? Whenever I see someone flash their lights, I immediately hop into the right lane (if I wasn't already there) and slow back down to the speed limit. And whenever I see a potential speed trap, I try to warn the oncoming traffic. Lately, though, the speed trap never materializes, and I'm beginning to think that I'm doing a rain dance when everyone else just checks doppler radar.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 08-12-2003 04:19 PM

Headlights and speed traps
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan


When I was a kid, if a driver passed a cop waiting in an obvious speed trap or about to get back in his car after pulling someone over, the driver would warn oncoming traffic of the potential ticket by flashing his lights.

Is that regional or did was it pretty widespread? Does anyone do this anymore? Whenever I see someone flash their lights, I immediately hop into the right lane (if I wasn't already there) and slow back down to the speed limit. And whenever I see a potential speed trap, I try to warn the oncoming traffic. Lately, though, the speed trap never materializes, and I'm beginning to think that I'm doing a rain dance when everyone else just checks doppler radar.
I've seen it in a number of parts of the country, so I assume it's a universal signal.

Of course, around here I generally don't bother because there are so many assinine drivers I'd like to see some of them get pulled over. But, in the sticks, sure I'd do it.

notcasesensitive 08-12-2003 04:21 PM

Headlights and speed traps
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Not regarding nipples.

When I was a kid, if a driver passed a cop waiting in an obvious speed trap or about to get back in his car after pulling someone over, the driver would warn oncoming traffic of the potential ticket by flashing his lights.

Is that regional or did was it pretty widespread? Does anyone do this anymore? Whenever I see someone flash their lights, I immediately hop into the right lane (if I wasn't already there) and slow back down to the speed limit. And whenever I see a potential speed trap, I try to warn the oncoming traffic. Lately, though, the speed trap never materializes, and I'm beginning to think that I'm doing a rain dance when everyone else just checks doppler radar.
This was common in the Northeast when I was younger. No idea if it is still done today because I do very little highway driving in Texas.

I did have an interesting (to me) encounter with a cop car the other day tho when I decided to pass a very slow moving truck (going about 10-15 mph) on a kind of busy city street in an area where dashed yellow lines were painted on the street. I thought it was a questionably legal maneuver when I did it, but was surprised when I got to the side of the truck to see slow moving traffic on the other side being passed by a police car on my (rightful) side of the road. We both made it past our respective crawlers and he never turned around to stop me, so it worked out ok.

ThurgreedMarshall 08-12-2003 04:23 PM

The Cat Slippery Slope
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
What about a dog that gives bad poker tips?
You'll have to replace "poker tips" with "head" in that sentence if you're talking about Penske's momma.

And the answer would be, "That bitch is always crazy."

TM

NotFromHere 08-12-2003 04:24 PM

Headlights and speed traps
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Not regarding nipples.

When I was a kid, if a driver passed a cop waiting in an obvious speed trap or about to get back in his car after pulling someone over, the driver would warn oncoming traffic of the potential ticket by flashing his lights.

Is that regional or did was it pretty widespread? Does anyone do this anymore? Whenever I see someone flash their lights, I immediately hop into the right lane (if I wasn't already there) and slow back down to the speed limit. And whenever I see a potential speed trap, I try to warn the oncoming traffic. Lately, though, the speed trap never materializes, and I'm beginning to think that I'm doing a rain dance when everyone else just checks doppler radar.
totally universal. This is something that truckers do for other truckers nationwide from what I've seen - and I've driven coast to coast a number of times. But will extend the courtesy to other drivers because I think they hate highway cops.

I've also had guys on Harleys give me the slow down signal (palm facing down to the road) while driving on back roads. I think a lot of it has to do with type of car you're driving too. More common to get the courtesy in a sports car than a Geo Metro.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-12-2003 04:26 PM

Headlights and speed traps
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Not regarding nipples.

When I was a kid, if a driver passed a cop waiting in an obvious speed trap or about to get back in his car after pulling someone over, the driver would warn oncoming traffic of the potential ticket by flashing his lights.

Is that regional or did was it pretty widespread? Does anyone do this anymore? Whenever I see someone flash their lights, I immediately hop into the right lane (if I wasn't already there) and slow back down to the speed limit. And whenever I see a potential speed trap, I try to warn the oncoming traffic. Lately, though, the speed trap never materializes, and I'm beginning to think that I'm doing a rain dance when everyone else just checks doppler radar.
It's a gang ritual. If you flash back they will kill you.

Isn't that ironic?

evenodds 08-12-2003 04:26 PM

Headlights and speed traps
 
People still do it around here. Someone flashed us recently and we were very surprised to see a policeman around the next bend.

In Florida, it started to die out because flasing headlights was some signal for gang members, or something.

Ah, the sunshine state . . .

andViolins 08-12-2003 04:28 PM

Headlights and speed traps
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
It's a gang ritual. If you flash back they will kill you.

Isn't that ironic?
That is, I believe, a pretty well documented urban legend.

But I'm too lazy to go to snopes for the confirmation.

aV

ThurgreedMarshall 08-12-2003 04:30 PM

Transexuals
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
"Allucquére Rosanne (Sandy) Stone"

"She lives in Austin, Texas and Santa Cruz, California with her husband Cynbe ru Taren (aka Jeffrey Prothero) and their cat, The."

Apparently the number of cats one has is not always an accurate test for wackadooness -- or at least having fewer than 3 does not guarantee a non-wackadoo.
Wrong. Reread. She has one cat and is less nutty than you.

TM

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-12-2003 04:31 PM

Headlights and speed traps
 
Quote:

Originally posted by andViolins
That is, I believe, a pretty well documented urban legend.

But I'm too lazy to go to snopes for the confirmation.

aV
You sir, are correct!

http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/lightout.htm

Fugee 08-12-2003 04:33 PM

Transexuals
 
Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze
I don't know percentage, but I know it is quite common for the transgendered male to female folk to be gay. I am probably speaking out of turn though, it is just of the ones I know, they are with women.
And all this time I thought the old Village Voice personal ad written by a "lesbian woman trapped in a man's body" (while confusingly claiming not to be transsexual) was a scam for some guy to try to nail lesbians.

I went to law school with a transgendered woman. Up to then I'd led a very sheltered life so it made me a little uncomfortable at the beginning of my 1L year to share the bathroom (silly, I know as there were separate stalls) with her. Eventually, I stopped thinking of her as someone who used to be a man. In part it was helped by the effect of the hormones that got rid of the 5 o'clock shadow she used to get by Con Law class.

The more interesting story is that my Dad knows a transgendered woman. He is a licensed firearms dealer and goes to gun shows where most of the attendees and dealers are pretty macho NRA types. He became friends with another dealer who used to be a sniper in the Canadian military. A few months ago Dad's friend showed up with long blond hair, makeup and women's clothes and announced his upcoming surgery and new name. (He went to Europe for his surgery -- do they require a shorter period of living as the other gender before having the operation?) For a conservative old fart, Dad is remarkably blase about it as are, apparently, the rest of the dealers he knows. A cautionary note: if you're a guy and think you really should be a woman, don't get large macho tattoos on your arms. It really spoils the look after you make the change.

Shape Shifter 08-12-2003 04:38 PM

Headlights and speed traps
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
It's a gang ritual. If you flash back they will kill you.

Isn't that ironic?
Like a death row pardon two minutes too late.

Atticus Grinch 08-12-2003 04:38 PM

Transgendered (and more catsup)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Anne Elk
I was at the 1980 victory over the Russians. Wow! That building (and the street afterwards) was electric! I still get goose pimples watching the documentary.
Have you tried topical application of semen?

ThrashersFan 08-12-2003 04:41 PM

Transexuals
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Wrong. Reread. She has one cat and is less nutty than you.

TM
You remind me a lot of boys in gradeschool who would tease girls that they liked. :kisscheek

Sidd Finch 08-12-2003 04:43 PM

Headlights and speed traps
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Not regarding nipples.

When I was a kid, if a driver passed a cop waiting in an obvious speed trap or about to get back in his car after pulling someone over, the driver would warn oncoming traffic of the potential ticket by flashing his lights.

Is that regional or did was it pretty widespread? Does anyone do this anymore? Whenever I see someone flash their lights, I immediately hop into the right lane (if I wasn't already there) and slow back down to the speed limit. And whenever I see a potential speed trap, I try to warn the oncoming traffic. Lately, though, the speed trap never materializes, and I'm beginning to think that I'm doing a rain dance when everyone else just checks doppler radar.
I've certainly seen people do this in various places around the country, so it's not regional. I don't know if people do it very much anymore, 'cause I don't drive that much.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-12-2003 04:47 PM

Headlights and speed traps
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Like a death row pardon two minutes too late.
Up until four days ago, I thought the line was "like a death row hard-on two minutes too late".

Which would actually be pretty ironic.

Sparklehorse 08-12-2003 04:48 PM

Laminated list
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
You see what I mean about the puffiness. But no, not really an intellectual crush, I spent a good deal of my university time wanting to jump him. He's got that tough-guy, man's man thing going on. 5-10 years ago, watching him kicking some ass in Commons was TOTALLY HOT. He was absolutely the sexiest man in politics.
I see what you mean. I've met a decent number of men who are litigators and also military (or ex-military) and this can be a hot combination. They tend to be modest and hard-working but fit, worldly and decidedly masculine.

purse junkie 08-12-2003 04:50 PM

Cat Freaks
 
Can we not worry so much about who is a borderline cat-hoarding nutbag, and just institute a bright-line rule that cat people and dog people should never, ever date?

It's always a fucking disaster. Banning it, I think, would save a lot of pointless heartbreak in this world.

Atticus Grinch 08-12-2003 04:51 PM

When I get that feeling, I need transsexual healing
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Fugee
A few months ago Dad's friend showed up with long blond hair, makeup and women's clothes and announced his upcoming surgery and new name.
In a years-long class action I worked on, our expert began a MTF sexual reassignment about a year before trial. The problem was, her expert depo had already been taken long before. My firm was faced with the dicey proposition of having its prime causation expert impeached by videotape of her male self.

I argued for keeping her because the rehabilitation would have been so delightful to watch. "Counsel, I was wrong about a lot of things back then."

robustpuppy 08-12-2003 04:52 PM

Headlights and speed traps
 
Quote:

Originally posted by evenodds
People still do it around here. Someone flashed us recently and we were very surprised to see a policeman around the next bend.
Just last week we got flashed and as I finished saying "do people still signal speed traps anymore?" (but before I had a chance to add "I thought that urban legend about gang killings put an end to the practice") I saw the trooper, who was one of those macho, standing on the shoulder aiming the radar at you like a gun and pulling you over by waving angrily at you types.

That method of pulling people over just irritates the hell out of me, but it is better than having a trooper pace you for 10 minutes on a deserted country road in the middle of the night.

ltl/fb 08-12-2003 04:55 PM

Cat Freaks
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
Can we not worry so much about who is a borderline cat-hoarding nutbag, and just institute a bright-line rule that cat people and dog people should never, ever date?

It's always a fucking disaster. Banning it, I think, would save a lot of pointless heartbreak in this world.
Should I be worried about the many couples I know who have both? Is divorce imminent?

People who hate cats should not date people who have cats, and people who hate dogs should not date people who have dogs. And people who hate lawyers shouldn't date one. That's like dating someone with a kid when you don't want to have kids.

Not all dog people hate cats and not all cat people hate dogs. A fair number of people (me, for example) like both types of animals.

robustpuppy 08-12-2003 04:55 PM

Menagerie
 
I have a cat and two dogs. My BF is not a lawyer. I would never date a guy who did not like dogs. And I believe that posting styles are as likely to feign or cover craziness as they are to reflect it.

These statements are relevant to today's discussion, but to anybody who has been paying attention, it is also quite obviously a cover up for the fact that once again, I quoted myself, rather than edited myself. Why I readily point out my foibles on the chance that anybody missed them, I do not know.

mmm3587 08-12-2003 05:00 PM

New Poll
 
Alright, all this speed trap discussion has caused me to think about running from the cops. The most common, and most successful kind, I think, has to be just taking off once you see that a cop has turned on his lights and is turning around or pulling out to come after you. This kind of evading seems most common on the freeway, when you might already be doing 90. The cop in question has to pull out, maybe wait for traffic, and catch up to well above your speed to make up for all the lost time. This might be enough time to make it to the next exit/turn-off/rest stop/etc., but it might not. Or they might be working in teams.

I think I've done it, but I was already going 95 or so, never saw the cop turn on his lights, just pull out, and didn't see him fly by with lights and siren going when I pulled into an exit and then immediately into a strip mall when about a mile down the road. I also didn't increase speed that much.

So, ever evaded the cops?

idle acts 08-12-2003 05:01 PM

Transgendered
 
Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze
[Excellent explanation of issues of gender identity vs. sexual orientation]
That was very well put.

robustpuppy 08-12-2003 05:02 PM

Cops
 
Why evade the cop when you can cry your way out of the ticket?

bilmore 08-12-2003 05:02 PM

Cat Freaks
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
Can we not worry so much about who is a borderline cat-hoarding nutbag, and just institute a bright-line rule that cat people and dog people should never, ever date?

It's always a fucking disaster. Banning it, I think, would save a lot of pointless heartbreak in this world.
Um, we have a dog, and two cats. Are we in serious trouble?

(OK, we also have three snakes, a rabbit, two rats, fish, two reptiles, (maybe three, depending on what that noise was that I heard last night by the oven), two birds, a large walking stick, a praying mantis, turtles, (haven't counted), about 4000 tadpoles and frogs, a salamander, assorted gerbils and hamsters, and this weird toad with big, sharp teeth. Maybe the "are we in trouble" question is superfluous.)

ltl/fb 08-12-2003 05:02 PM

Menagerie
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
I have a cat and two dogs. My BF is not a lawyer. I would never date a guy who did not like dogs. And I believe that posting styles are as likely to feign or cover craziness as they are to reflect it.

These statements are relevant to today's discussion, but to anybody who has been paying attention, it is also quite obviously a cover up for the fact that once again, I quoted myself, rather than edited myself. Why I readily point out my foibles on the chance that anybody missed them, I do not know.
You would date a guy who hated cats???????

spookyfish 08-12-2003 05:02 PM

New Poll
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mmm3587

So, ever evaded the cops?
Every stinking day of my life.

Seven of Nine 08-12-2003 05:04 PM

Menagerie
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
..once again, I quoted myself, rather than edited myself...

Hrm,

This sounds a bit like a personal problem. Perhaps you should seek professional help. Especially if, in addition to quoting and editing yourself, one time at band camp you accidentally glued yourself to yourself. Then, definately, both you and yourself should seek assistance from a higher power. :P


leagleaze 08-12-2003 05:05 PM

New Poll
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mmm3587
So, ever evaded the cops?

Only when playing kinky sex games, and it was just one cop.


Ahhh the memories.

idle acts 08-12-2003 05:05 PM

Headlights and speed traps
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Up until four days ago, I thought the line was "like a death row hard-on two minutes too late".

Which would actually be pretty ironic.
Not to mention impossible.

Anne Elk 08-12-2003 05:06 PM

Transgendered (and more catsup)
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Have you tried topical application of semen?
Not while watching television.


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