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cheval de frise 08-24-2009 05:57 PM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 397504)
And my point, which I swear to God I will let be after your next reply no mattter how good it will be, is that presently there's no need to see women's leagues as the inferior ones, any more than it is necessary to say heavyweights are better than bantamweight and anyone who was the world bantamweight champion was only just that if the international boxing sanctioning authorities would have let him fight outside of his weight class. I may know nothing about sports, but allowing the "best" bantamweights to fight the lightweights and featherweights "if they can compete" just relegates all of the competitors in weight classes below heavyweight as second class citizens. So open divisions are good for the best individuals but bad for the newly-"inferior" sex-qualified league. That seems like a value worth putting on the table, no?

But if the board has moved on to the more interesting question of whether an NYT columnist is inappropriately elitist, or just elitist enough, I will leave my argument at that.

I sense a "Lord of the Flies" moment coming up. Specifically, the one at the end.

CDF

Atticus Grinch 08-24-2009 05:58 PM

Re: actual fashion post
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 397487)
Oh, come one. That was just a silly posed photo, in which she undoubtedly wished to simultaneously underscore and poke fun at her aloof image. When she's just hanging out with pals at book publishing parties, she seems a lot more laid back and fun:

http://www.mediabistro.com/content/o...l/DSC05116.jpg

See, I would hit that, but in the other photo I wouldn't. I think it's the bangs. I cannot abide bangs, or symmetrical hair of any sort. FBetties, adjust your 'dos accordingly.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-24-2009 05:59 PM

Re: actual fashion post
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 397505)
the watch band is umber. Your comment is simplistic.

Her watch is from Umbria? No one in their right mind would buy an Italian watch. Not even a fashion writer.

LessinSF 08-24-2009 06:02 PM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cheval de frise (Post 397495)
Atticus isn't male. I thought we went over this.

CDF

Now, now. Because we are running out of subgroups who want respect (and to be able to claim victim status), the asexuals are standing up for themselves - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNC6194GN4.DTL .

cheval de frise 08-24-2009 06:02 PM

Re: actual fashion post
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 397508)
Alright, fucker. After that snide remark, I am turning the webcam OFF, do you hear?

This has been a public service announcement. So to speak.

CDF

cheval de frise 08-24-2009 06:18 PM

Where have all the Flowers gone?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 397512)
Now, now. Because we are running out of subgroups who want respect (and to be able to claim victim status), the asexuals are standing up for themselves - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...MNC6194GN4.DTL .

No, no, no. I count on y'all to be the Roundup to my struggling green shoots of conscience. It's usually quite reliable.

CDF

LessinSF 08-24-2009 10:06 PM

America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Neither of my schools is on here - http://www.sportsinferno.com/forums/...ad.php?t=49894 .

Replaced_Texan 08-25-2009 12:11 AM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 397518)
Neither of my schools is on here - http://www.sportsinferno.com/forums/...ad.php?t=49894 .


Apparently the douchegeois did not attend my colleges either.

Hank Chinaski 08-25-2009 08:30 AM

Re: This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth
 
MAD MEN Q.


spoiler- but really not necessary



Okay, Peggy is at the table when her new beau. His friend walks up and says, "Hey, we're leaving, you want to go or you need cab fare?"

The guy says, "I live right around the corner." the friend says, "Oh. yeah."

it seemed to me, at first, that the beau's friend was being honest, and the beau lied about where he lived for some reason. Then we find out he does live there.

The friend was giving the beau a way out of being "stuck" with Peggy, right?

Is she supposed to be a dog? I didn't get that part.

Atticus Grinch 08-25-2009 10:29 AM

Re: This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 397528)
MAD MEN Q.


spoiler- but really not necessary



Okay, Peggy is at the table when her new beau. His friend walks up and says, "Hey, we're leaving, you want to go or you need cab fare?"

The guy says, "I live right around the corner." the friend says, "Oh. yeah."

it seemed to me, at first, that the beau's friend was being honest, and the beau lied about where he lived for some reason. Then we find out he does live there.

The friend was giving the beau a way out of being "stuck" with Peggy, right?

Is she supposed to be a dog? I didn't get that part.

I think you're right that it was the modern day equivalent of the cell phone call to rescue you from a bad date. I don't think it necessarily means she's a dog (although frankly I find her amongst the least pretty women on the show, and that includes the switchboard girls). I think it was meant to show the relative immaturity of the college guys, and that particular individual's lack of guile (since he didn't seem to get it anyway).

Another question from that scene is why Peggy says her boss is a jerk. Was she really still pissed at Don over the Patio pitch? Or was she just trying to play along that she's a secretary because she was "trying on" a personality that was somewhere between Joan and Ann-Margret just to see if that was what men were really looking for? If it's the latter, she got her answer.

ThurgreedMarshall 08-25-2009 10:30 AM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 397504)
And my point, which I swear to God I will let be after your next reply no mattter how good it will be, is that presently there's no need to see women's leagues as the inferior ones, any more than it is necessary to say heavyweights are better than bantamweight and anyone who was the world bantamweight champion was only just that if the international boxing sanctioning authorities would have let him fight outside of his weight class. I may know nothing about sports, but allowing the "best" bantamweights to fight the lightweights and featherweights "if they can compete" just relegates all of the competitors in weight classes below heavyweight as second class citizens. So open divisions are good for the best individuals but bad for the newly-"inferior" sex-qualified league. That seems like a value worth putting on the table, no?

You dodged the point I was making, presumably because you realize you fucked up. But, whatever.

I don't disagree with your point in the abstract. I suppose weight classifications in boxing are somewhat similar to gender classification. The problem is, it's absolutely true that competitors in weight classes below "heavyweight" are viewed as second class citizens, even if they never get the chance to prove otherwise. The reasons why there are weight classes are two-fold, right?

1. Fairness or, stated in a more realistic way, for the fighters' protection. A heavyweight would destroy a lightweight, so we don't put them in the ring together.

2. Money. The more divisions, the more championship fights.

One might argue that the skill sets of lighter fighters are so different than heavier fighters that, like the WNBA and the NBA, they are essentially playing different sports, but it's a hard argument to make.

The simple fact is, women do not compete with men because they cannot (or are deemed to be unable to) be successful, and in many cases, would just get hurt. Everyone knows what it means to be the best. If we play a certain sport, under standard rules and one person or team beats everyone else, that person is the best. By extension, if you compete with a group of athletes who are the best and you hold your own and succeed, you will be seen as one of the best.

So, I return to my original point. If a woman could successfully compete with and beat 30% of the men on the PGA Tour (for example), that is quite an accomplishment--one worthy of whatever accolades would be collected. And, just like in any other arena where a class of people is deemed to be too inferior to participate, the effect of such an accomplishment would not bring harm, in this case, to women's sports, it would encourage little girls to look at sports in a different way and would most likely increase participation.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 08-25-2009 10:36 AM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 397518)
Neither of my schools is on here - http://www.sportsinferno.com/forums/...ad.php?t=49894 .

Any list where Duke comes in second is fatally flawed.

TM

Pretty Little Flower 08-25-2009 11:00 AM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397531)
You dodged the point I was making, presumably because you realize you fucked up. But, whatever.

I don't disagree with your point in the abstract. I suppose weight classifications in boxing are somewhat similar to gender classification. The problem is, it's absolutely true that competitors in weight classes below "heavyweight" are viewed as second class citizens, even if they never get the chance to prove otherwise. The reasons why there are weight classes are two-fold, right?

1. Fairness or, stated in a more realistic way, for the fighters' protection. A heavyweight would destroy a lightweight, so we don't put them in the ring together.

2. Money. The more divisions, the more championship fights.

One might argue that the skill sets of lighter fighters are so different than heavier fighters that, like the WNBA and the NBA, they are essentially playing different sports, but it's a hard argument to make.

The simple fact is, women do not compete with men because they cannot (or are deemed to be unable to) be successful, and in many cases, would just get hurt. Everyone knows what it means to be the best. If we play a certain sport, under standard rules and one person or team beats everyone else, that person is the best. By extension, if you compete with a group of athletes who are the best and you hold your own and succeed, you will be seen as one of the best.

So, I return to my original point. If a woman could successfully compete with and beat 30% of the men on the PGA Tour (for example), that is quite an accomplishment--one worthy of whatever accolades would be collected. And, just like in any other arena where a class of people is deemed to be too inferior to participate, the effect of such an accomplishment would not bring harm, in this case, to women's sports, it would encourage little girls to look at sports in a different way and would most likely increase participation.

TM


This is the only story about Brett Favre that I could bring myself to read:

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/n...august_24_2009

Favre plays football in the male league.

notcasesensitive 08-25-2009 11:04 AM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397532)
Any list where Duke comes in second is fatally flawed.

TM

Notre Dame is ranked way too low on that list. I liked their methodology.

Replaced_Texan 08-25-2009 11:16 AM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397532)
Any list where Duke comes in second is fatally flawed.

TM

"They're probably number one. But we'd rather not rank Duke number one at anything." I don't think that's flawed.

Hank Chinaski 08-25-2009 11:17 AM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 397533)
This is the only story about Brett Favre that I could bring myself to read:

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/n...august_24_2009

Favre plays football in the male league.

I don't get the cruelty angle. she shaved and painted a goat, but she planned on butchering it. You're allowed to butcher your livestock still aren't you? You're not allowed to play with it pre-butchering?

Replaced_Texan 08-25-2009 11:19 AM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 397538)
I don't get the cruelty angle. she shaved and painted a goat, but she planned on butchering it. You're allowed to butcher your livestock still aren't you? You're not allowed to play with it pre-butchering?

My guess it's the "trunk of the car" part that caught the authorities' attention.

ThurgreedMarshall 08-25-2009 11:24 AM

Re: Usain Bolt
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 397533)
This is the only story about Brett Favre that I could bring myself to read:

http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/dpp/n...august_24_2009

Favre plays football in the male league.

I do not understand this article. Cite her for cruelty, but allow her to butcher the goat.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 08-25-2009 11:27 AM

Caption?
 
http://mtblog.glamour.com/health-fit...-miller_vg.jpg

TM

Pretty Little Flower 08-25-2009 11:31 AM

Re: Caption?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397541)


What Everyone But You Sees About Your Body

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 08-25-2009 12:22 PM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397532)
Any list where Duke comes in second is fatally flawed.

TM

2. The only possible way it could have been redeemed is if Notre Dame had been number 1, but even so--seriously misguided.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 08-25-2009 12:24 PM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 397537)
"They're probably number one. But we'd rather not rank Duke number one at anything." I don't think that's flawed.

That's flawed logic. Are they such douches that they would proudly proclaim "#1 douchiest school"?

Tyrone Slothrop 08-25-2009 12:24 PM

Re: This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth
 
Dunno why, but this image reminds me of Flower:

http://www.presidiacreative.com/wp-c...2_image010.jpg

evenodds 08-25-2009 12:33 PM

Re: Caption?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 397542)
What Everyone But You Sees About Your Body

Using the actual caption from Glamour . . . nice.

For anyone interested, Jezebel had a good take on this last week.

Replaced_Texan 08-25-2009 12:39 PM

Re: Caption?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by evenodds (Post 397557)
Using the actual caption from Glamour . . . nice.

For anyone interested, Jezebel had a good take on this last week.

She was also on the Today Show yesterday morning talking about it with the editor of Glamour. (link also via Jezebel)

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-25-2009 12:42 PM

Re: Caption?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by evenodds (Post 397557)
Using the actual caption from Glamour . . . nice.

For anyone interested, Jezebel had a good take on this last week.

Costanza never would have treated his body like an amusement park had this been in his issue of Glamour.

Hank Chinaski 08-25-2009 01:11 PM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 397537)
"They're probably number one. But we'd rather not rank Duke number one at anything." I don't think that's flawed.

I think most of you are focusing on sports, which does make Duke #1* for a certain type of douche, but that test misses the standard everyday douchiness- to me the "where do you go to college?"

"in Boston." type douche behavior goes a long way versus the Duke arrogance.


*only because ND has sucked so completely in all sports for a long while now.

ThurgreedMarshall 08-25-2009 01:29 PM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 397560)
I think most of you are focusing on sports, which does make Duke #1* for a certain type of douche, but that test misses the standard everyday douchiness- to me the "where do you go to college?"

"in Boston." type douche behavior goes a long way versus the Duke arrogance.

I have never met anyone from Duke (and I don't think anyone on this board went to Duke, in which case, if I met you and forgot, I could be wrong) that I liked. They all have this kind of special doucheaura they emit.

TM

Adder 08-25-2009 01:33 PM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397561)
I have never met anyone from Duke (and I don't think anyone on this board went to Duke, in which case, if I met you and forgot, I could be wrong) that I liked. They all have this kind of special doucheaura they emit.

TM

A good friend of mine, and the husband of another good friend, both went to Duke and are doucheaura free.

That said, to a simple midwesterner like me, the combination of money and a strong greek culture, which is common in private schools in various parts of the country, inevitably leads to a presumption of doucheiness (that is probably unfair).

Hank Chinaski 08-25-2009 01:37 PM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397561)
I have never met anyone from Duke (and I don't think anyone on this board went to Duke, in which case, if I met you and forgot, I could be wrong) that I liked. They all have this kind of special doucheaura they emit.

TM

I've only met a handful, but one of that handful invited me to a party of duke alums in Arlington Va. I didn't like anyone there, and the douche factor there was strong. but the list does support each of its picks, and the reasons hold water.

evenodds 08-25-2009 01:50 PM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397561)
I have never met anyone from Duke (and I don't think anyone on this board went to Duke, in which case, if I met you and forgot, I could be wrong) that I liked. They all have this kind of special doucheaura they emit.

I have a lot of friends who are Dukies and yeah the doucheaura is high. Plus, as one who is Southern-adjacent, I acknowledge it has its own special Southern douche flavor, which increases the douchiness by a factor of 5.

It certainly should have been #1, but I also agree with the writer's reasoning.

That said, Texas at 24? Way too low.

Atticus Grinch 08-25-2009 01:58 PM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397561)
I have never met anyone from Duke (and I don't think anyone on this board went to Duke, in which case, if I met you and forgot, I could be wrong) that I liked. They all have this kind of special doucheaura they emit.

TM

A couple of SF/SV old skoolers are Duke undergrad or law. I have not found them douchey. They generously pick up checks in wine bars and Chinese restaurants, and they do not prattle on about scotch, which IMHO is the sine qua non of douchiness. OTOH, my undergrad school is on the list, so perhaps I'm too douchey to notice.

Adder 08-25-2009 02:02 PM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 397567)
A couple of SF/SV old skoolers are Duke undergrad or law. I have not found them douchey. They generously pick up checks in wine bars and Chinese restaurants, and they do not prattle on about scotch, which IMHO is the sine qua non of douchiness.

Dude. You're hanging out in wine bars and you call scotch drinking douchey??

Quote:

OTOH, my undergrad school is on the list, so perhaps I'm too douchey to notice.
Ah, well, that explains it then. Doucheiness is in the eye of the beholder, after all.

Neither of my schools are on the list, but I could definitely make a strong case for the university associated with my law school.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-25-2009 02:03 PM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 397567)
and they do not prattle on about scotch, which IMHO is the sine qua non of douchiness.

Subtle dig at Sebby?

bold_n_brazen 08-25-2009 02:03 PM

Re: Caption?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397541)


PPNYC only wishes she looked this good.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 08-25-2009 02:04 PM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 397560)
I think most of you are focusing on sports, which does make Duke #1* for a certain type of douche, but that test misses the standard everyday douchiness- to me the "where do you go to college?"

"in Boston." type douche behavior goes a long way versus the Duke arrogance.


*only because ND has sucked so completely in all sports for a long while now.

Domers aren't douches anyway. They're dorks.

Gattigap 08-25-2009 02:07 PM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 397567)
OTOH, my undergrad school is on the list, so perhaps I'm too douchey to notice.


Totally. Both of my schools are on this fucking list. I feel so exposed.

taxwonk 08-25-2009 02:10 PM

Re: This is the thread where the fringster comes back with teeth
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 397528)
MAD MEN Q.


spoiler- but really not necessary



Okay, Peggy is at the table when her new beau. His friend walks up and says, "Hey, we're leaving, you want to go or you need cab fare?"

The guy says, "I live right around the corner." the friend says, "Oh. yeah."

it seemed to me, at first, that the beau's friend was being honest, and the beau lied about where he lived for some reason. Then we find out he does live there.

The friend was giving the beau a way out of being "stuck" with Peggy, right?

Is she supposed to be a dog? I didn't get that part.

Dude, she's old. Plus, she's not stylish. It is NYC, after all.

taxwonk 08-25-2009 02:13 PM

Re: Caption?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 397541)

Who is it?

Atticus Grinch 08-25-2009 02:16 PM

Re: America's Douchiest Colleges
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 397569)
Subtle dig at Sebby?

Glenwhiffach!


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