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Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 10-15-2009 09:49 AM
Re: Welcome back E/O, leagl and Fringey: no one say the name "Penske" 3 times in a ro
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 403722)
I never left a library or museum not knowing what happened to those I came with,
If you left them behind you knew they were just waiting until after hours to defile the oriental carpet in the main hall.

Hank Chinaski 10-15-2009 10:04 AM
Re: Welcome back E/O, leagl and Fringey: no one say the name "Penske" 3 times in a ro
 
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Originally Posted by dtb (Post 403731)
Too right. If someone I didn't know too well called me with an emergency from the hospital, I'd think -- "Man, s/he's really scraping the bottom of the barrel if s/he's calling me." I couldn't imagine ignoring a plea for help like that. Dat's CRAZEEE.
all of you seem to be forgetting that our own ncs has recently posted wondering whether she should ignore answering a cry for help from a friend that didn't come at 4 A.M. I for one am not going to sit here listening to your all passively insult ncs. she deserves better.

Adder 10-15-2009 10:20 AM
Re: Welcome back E/O, leagl and Fringey: no one say the name "Penske" 3 times in a ro
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 403722)
It is shocking to me that this is hard.

My late night bar days are long gone, and I never much liked bars anyways, but I never left a library or museum not knowing what happened to those I came with, and I can't imagine not responding to the Hospital call even for an acquaintence (ya'all can call at 4 am from the hospital - as long as you're somewhere in Eastern Massachusetts, I'm not going to Texas or California at that hour).
I suspect that the difference of opinion may be in part due to differing perceptions about what is missing from the story. That letter certainly did not state all of the facts. ETA: [Nevermind, that bit was wrong.]

Regardless, I agree that a call at 4 am from a friend in the ER would be impossible to ignore, and that even if incapable of driving at the time, arrangements could be made to do something.

Pretty Little Flower 10-15-2009 10:25 AM
Re: Welcome back E/O, leagl and Fringey: no one say the name "Penske" 3 times in a ro
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 403742)
I suspect that the difference of opinion may be in part due to differing perceptions about what is missing from the story. That letter certainly did not state all of the facts. Among other things, the writer does not seem to specify whether she actually reached her friends that evening, or just left messages.

Regardless, I agree that a call at 4 am from a friend in the ER would be impossible to ignore, and that even if incapable of driving at the time, arrangements could be made to do something.
I agree with what everyone has posted about this issue. To take a different position would put you somewhere on the spectrum between delusional sociopath and criminally insane.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-15-2009 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 403738)
all of you seem to be forgetting that our own ncs has recently posted wondering whether she should ignore answering a cry for help from a friend that didn't come at 4 A.M. I for one am not going to sit here listening to your all passively insult ncs. she deserves better.
ncs has built up cred in the area of helping friends out. That having been said, I've been rethinking the posters I'd like to buy a scotch in light of this discussion.

PresentTense Pirate Penske 10-15-2009 10:34 AM
Re: Welcome back E/O, leagl and Fringey: no one say the name "Penske" 3 times in a ro
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 403744)
I agree with what everyone has posted about this issue. To take a different position would put you somewhere on the spectrum between delusional sociopath and criminally insane.
Hi!

PresentTense Pirate Penske 10-15-2009 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 403745)
ncs has built up cred in the area of helping friends out. That having been said, I've been rethinking the posters I'd like to buy a scotch in light of this discussion.
Hi!

Hank Chinaski 10-15-2009 10:36 AM
Re: Welcome back E/O, leagl and Fringey: no one say the name "Penske" 3 times in a ro
 
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Originally Posted by PresentTense Pirate Penske (Post 403748)
Hi!
anyone else starting to feel like me, that this is likely my sock?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-15-2009 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 403750)
anyone else starting to feel like me, that this is likely my sock?
Hi!

1436 10-15-2009 10:47 AM
Re: Welcome back E/O, leagl and Fringey: no one say the name "Penske" 3 times in a ro
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 403709)
All that and who knows how blacked-out girl behaved while drugged. She might have pissed them off in ways that she doesn't remember, and which they thought at the time was just annoying drunk behavior.
And whether she did this more than once before. What was the history?

I had a friend in college who always got in fights. After a few times of coming to his scrawny asses aid, we all agreed to let him hang by his own rope. He got beat pretty bad a couple of times before he realized that we weren't going to pull him out of the ringer every time he wanted to fight.

The first time it happened some bystanders were shocked when we didn't step in to pull him out until it was clear he had lost. They saw we were his friends and had just let him get pummeled. I'm sure we looked like total jerks that night, but we were done.

That was my first thought when I read this: How many times had they come to her rescue and how many times had they gotten a call at 4 AM needing help?

If this was the first, they weren't really her friends.

Pretty Little Flower 10-15-2009 10:51 AM
Re: Welcome back E/O, leagl and Fringey: no one say the name "Penske" 3 times in a ro
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 403750)
anyone else starting to feel like me, that this is likely my sock?
Release your mind from the turmoil. There are no answers, and the questions are mere distractions. Embrace the ambiguity and set yourself free.

Pretty Little Flower 10-15-2009 10:53 AM
Re: Welcome back E/O, leagl and Fringey: no one say the name "Penske" 3 times in a ro
 
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Originally Posted by 1436 (Post 403752)
And whether she did this more than once before. What was the history?

I had a friend in college who always got in fights. After a few times of coming to his scrawny asses aid, we all agreed to let him hang by his own rope. He got beat pretty bad a couple of times before he realized that we weren't going to pull him out of the ringer every time he wanted to fight.

The first time it happened some bystanders were shocked when we didn't step in to pull him out until it was clear he had lost. They saw we were his friends and had just let him get pummeled. I'm sure we looked like total jerks that night, but we were done.

That was my first thought when I read this: How many times had they come to her rescue and how many times had they gotten a call at 4 AM needing help?

If this was the first, they weren't really her friends.
I have no idea whether Greedy will but you a scotch.

Pretty Little Flower 10-15-2009 10:54 AM
Re: Welcome back E/O, leagl and Fringey: no one say the name "Penske" 3 times in a ro
 
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Originally Posted by PresentTense Pirate Penske (Post 403748)
Hi!
Hi! ;)

dtb 10-15-2009 11:01 AM
Re: Welcome back E/O, leagl and Fringey: no one say the name "Penske" 3 times in a ro
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1436 (Post 403752)
And whether she did this more than once before. What was the history?

I had a friend in college who always got in fights. After a few times of coming to his scrawny asses aid, we all agreed to let him hang by his own rope. He got beat pretty bad a couple of times before he realized that we weren't going to pull him out of the ringer every time he wanted to fight.

The first time it happened some bystanders were shocked when we didn't step in to pull him out until it was clear he had lost. They saw we were his friends and had just let him get pummeled. I'm sure we looked like total jerks that night, but we were done.

That was my first thought when I read this: How many times had they come to her rescue and how many times had they gotten a call at 4 AM needing help?

If this was the first, they weren't really her friends.
Do guys actually settle disputes with fisticuffs on a regular basis?!? I mean, I have never seen college-age boys getting in a scrap, though I am sure it must happen on occasion, but how common is it, really?

In fact, I can't recall ever seeing boys over the age of 18 pummeling each other to settle scores or disputes, or whatever. Though a guy I worked with, who later made partner at my firm, says he'd regularly get involved in bar fights -- way past college, too. I'm pretty sure (though cannot remember with perfect clarity) he described to me one altercation that he'd had the prior weekend, or something. He was of the Irish persuasion. Just thought I'd mention that in case it's relevant to any responses.

Sparklehorse 10-15-2009 11:03 AM
Re: Welcome back E/O, leagl and Fringey: no one say the name "Penske" 3 times in a ro
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1436 (Post 403752)
And whether she did this more than once before. What was the history?

I had a friend in college who always got in fights. After a few times of coming to his scrawny asses aid, we all agreed to let him hang by his own rope. He got beat pretty bad a couple of times before he realized that we weren't going to pull him out of the ringer every time he wanted to fight.

The first time it happened some bystanders were shocked when we didn't step in to pull him out until it was clear he had lost. They saw we were his friends and had just let him get pummeled. I'm sure we looked like total jerks that night, but we were done.

That was my first thought when I read this: How many times had they come to her rescue and how many times had they gotten a call at 4 AM needing help?

If this was the first, they weren't really her friends.
I get that you had a friend with a repeat history, but there is nothing in the original letter to indicate that this woman had any pattern of getting slipped mickeys and disappearing when out with her friends.

And, just curious, by the time of the last fight, did you really still consider that guy a friend?


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