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Abso-fucking-lutely.

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In Fox-world, that was not ridiculous, that was Thursday. Where have you been the last couple of decades?

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:):o:mad::D:(

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:rolleyes:

It doesn't matter
 

Signs are pointing to the end of civilization as we know it. First the Cubs, then (if) Trump, then poof your job is gone, the economy gone, your 401k is worthless, US defaults on all its bonds and all of the other countries say "Sorry fuckers, no refugees here." Se we all are hunting rabbits to eat with Rick Grimes.

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"Jumping off," it's called. Sorry. I was lazy and just fired a general reply to your joke.

But it does kind of fit. You offered a joke, and I used it to note something absurd... That I'm getting shit for not voting for Hilary. I'm not voting for Trump, but that's not good enough. People here think I have to share their alarm, and I need to vote for Hillary! WTF?

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Even for Fox, that's bad. And the Journal did it as well.

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"We're ready for a woman, just not THIS woman." Right. We'll see how long it takes for another woman to get this far along the path if Hillary doesn't win... I can't say I agree with your analysis on this one.

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Not this CLINTON. But yes -- there's sexism in this as well. I just don't see near as much of that as I do Clinton hatred.

The behavior that got her and Bill where they are is the problem.

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http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-n...nap-story.html

"broad-shouldered leadership"
"not presidential"
"lacks stamina"

And that's just (oft-repeated) direct quotes from Trump and Pence. The messages on shirts/hats/gun holders of Trump supporters at his rallies rise to another level entirely.

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And yet I have a twenty something college educated female relative in New England who is the biggest and most active Trump apologist/Hillary basher on my wife's Facebook feed.

I expect it from my knuckle headed cousins (mostly cops and blue collar union guys) in the Ancestral Homeland, but from her? Strange.

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"There is new information." You mean, that the FBI is full of Trump fans with so little regard for their government service that they are using their office to further their own political preferences? The Foundation has been heavily, heavily investigated, and no one has come up with anything. Any. Thing.

For some reason, the Clintons operate under special media rules where people -- reporters, editors -- cast away skepticism and presume the worse. You have soaked it up. What's the scandal? The Clinton Foundation raises a lot of money and spends it on treating AIDS in the Third World. (Compare that to whatever W has done since he left the White House -- doesn't Bill look a little better? They are fine watercolors, though.) Lots of people have spent lots of time looking into the notion that, as Secretary of State, HRC did something to favor donors. No one has found anything. It's not like there is a huge secret about what she did as Secretary of State, between the press coverage and FOIA. It's not like her emails, and her staffs, haven't been leaked exhaustively. And still, nothing.

But you say there's new information. There's a sucker born every minute too.

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If he wins, a GOP Congress is not going to spend time investigating him. I don't disagree that he might get impeached, but it's only because he is so very reckless and self-serving, and because I can imagine Republicans wanting to get rid of him before 2020.

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...tein-5964.html

Pa in play. Anyone in Pa we know that might decide to vote for reality?

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Lot of people in Philly can't vote because of SEPTA strike.

Starting to look into
 

Just in case

http://www.lpab.justice.nsw.gov.au/D...sion%202.0.pdf

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page 22, you have to be proficient in English:confused: We gotta leave adder behind?:(:mad:

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Actually, unwritten you have to be under 50, unless you just have dough and want to retire.

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It is amazing to me that after 20 years of evidence with no evidence and a lot of hype, people still believe every new bit of hype suggesting that maybe - maybe - there might be enough evidence to "indict".

Remember, we're all lawyers here, we know it's possible to indict a ham sammich. And in 20 years they haven't found enough.

Before anyone goes but...but....but... what about the russian uraniam, or Vince Foster's nanny.... please check those 100+ entries on Snopes disabusing people.

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What is, things White Men tell themselves

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After all the discussion we've had you're still buying this type of crap??

And I really don't care who you vote for, but "I don't care because me and mine will be insulated from the damage" is a trash opinion.

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No, you're getting shit for being selfish ass.

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What is the action or inaction in relation to voting that makes me a selfish ass?

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She's still going to kill it in PA. People forget about Pittsburgh. And Philly proper is less important than the counties around it which are all traditional moderate Republicans voting for HRC.

I think he loses PA by 7 points.

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Moot now.

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The part where you said that you think one candidate will lead to bad outcomes but you don't care because you and yours will be insulated from them.

Again, I don't really care who you vote for and I'm not even urging you to vote one way or the other. I'm pointing out that your self-described reasoning is messed up.

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I think this is my first post ever on the politics board, but I cannot let this horseshit stand. No, no, a thousand times no!

You have it backwards. The vocal Trump supporters, and Trump himself, cannot stand to be beaten by a woman. They were pissed off enough to have a black man running the country, but now, a woman? Simply unfathomable. The Clinton name gives them the ammo they need to fuel their hatred, but the sexism is undeniable. Sexist cliches are not only acceptable, but promoted in the campaigning -- "trump the bitch", anyone? She's being called a cunt by public individuals on twitter. Even the whole "nasty woman" fuckery. And the idea that she's responsible for her husband screwing around.

Of course the country is ready for a female president. The vocal Trump supporters, however, are not.

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So, I have an obligation to share your concern. And since Trump fans are using the same reasoning on me, I have an obligation to share their concerns.

But I'm an ogre for not caring about either side?

I think you're all being hysterical.

If I were truly selfish, HRC's the obvious choice. The market's already speaking on that. Comey's Sunday letter has driven it 250 points last I looked.

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I'll admit the Trumpkins to which I'm exposed are a more moderate stripe. They're mostly focused on taxes and growth. They seem to think Trump will benefit small and mid-sized business. I don't have much exposure to the redneck Trumpkins.

I still believe, however, that the Clinton name is far more than mere cover. This same hatred was aimed at her husband.

ETA: I think the Left needs to be a little more judicious in throwing allegations of sexism and racism. It is tiring to hear everyone who disagrees with progressives smeared at least to some small extent as a racist or sexist. The Dems can smear Trump with this stuff, but they should be careful about overusing those attacks on all non-progressives. High risk of desensitization, and backlash.

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And yet still telling, in it's way.

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My daughter is making her own Hillary shirt and sign so that she can stand outside a polling place before and after school tomorrow. Go her!

eta: And go Florida!

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If you want to consider yourself a good person, you should be against the candidate whose election you believe will harm others even if you will personally be fine. In a contest between that candidate and one you personally believe will not lead to the same harm, you should be for the latter candidate.

And again, this isn't about voting for Hillary. If you think Hillary will lead to greater harm than Trump, then by all means, vote for Johnson (or Trump).

But what you said is that there will be dire consequences from electing Trump but you don't care because they won't affect you. That's messed up.

ETA: Oh, and it's not my concern. It was your concern. I didn't say electing Trump will lead to a recession that we will be insulated from. You did.

I very much doubt that you have any Trump fans telling you that you should vote Hillary if you think electing Trump would cause greater harm.

Great word choice. Top notch.

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No, I will continue to call it when I see it. If someone doesn't like being told they're being an asshole, it's not up to me to make them happy.

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Clearly not, as you don't get it at all.

Here's a very simple tip for not sounding like an asshat on these issues: don't tell women and people of color that they're wrong about sexism and racism.

Three women have written on this topic on this board. Listen to them.

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I disagree with progressives on most economic policies. I also support black lives matter and couldn't care less about the sex of our president. Am I nevertheless racist or sexist?

Oh noes.
 

But what about the backlash? The racists and sexists might be unhappy when they're told they're assholes, and then what?

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Which is funny in its own way, since Democrats have done a much better job running the economy than Republicans over the last few decades.

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Obviously I've never cared about being called anything. I just don't think anyone can call socially liberal temperate libertarians such as me (and there are a lot of us out there) sexists and racists.

I have a somewhat live and let die attitude. I don't think interventionist govt is good for much. That is selfish, I guess one could creatively argue. But I'm pro-immigration, pro-trade, and pro prison and justice reform. It gets annoying to be told I'm as good as a racist or sexist for "enabling" Trumpkins by voting for Johnson.

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For large corporations, yes. For small business, fuck no.

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The backlash is when moderates like me tire of it and start adopting a "boy crying wolf" narrative to dismiss it.

I'm in the middle. Don't make me the enemy.