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Making an ass out of myself.

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You think stoners aren't bad ass? Keep up that sort of talk and I'll show you what the. Yeah. Um. So don't, O.K.? Or, um. I like your shoes.

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I had a friend in Dallas whose MO was to leave without telling anyone. Everyone knew she was going to do it when she considered herself done and we used to all joke about it with her. It freaked me out the first time it happened, but once I knew it was likely, I let it go as her thing. I would do a cursory scan for her at the place before taking off, but I admit I would not spend more than 5 minutes making sure she wasn't there.

If she ever were to leave and then call me from the hospital at 4 a.m., I would have dropped everything to come. And by "everything" I mean sleep. Assuming my phone was on and I heard it ring.

This whole discussion is making me feel either boring or lucky. My friends and I never really ended up in the hospital or in jail late at night. And we were not tame.

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Earlier today, Hank posted stern, albeit somewhat confusing, words on an internet chatting board to defend a woman's honor. I don't know whether or not he is WT. He drinks enough, but I don't see the WTs being as into Melt Banana as he is.

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Does anyone think that the top four from last night aren't going to be the four finalists? Seems like the rest of the show is just going to be spent picking off Lorraine, bad Mike, Robin and Eli. The V brothers, Kevin and Jennifer have all (with the one screw up by Michael V last week) consistently been on top since the beginning, it seems like they're pulling further and further ahead of the rest of the pack. I kind of am rooting for Kevin, but I wouldn't be surprised if any of them win. I would be really surprised if any of the other four make it to the end.

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I think Eli could sneak into the final four, but it would be a bit of an upset, and I too am rooting for Kevin. Clearly last night's bottom three were the bottom three that were left.

Re: Welcome back E/O, leagl and Fringey: no one say the name "Penske" 3 times in a ro
 

both times my friends ended up in jail late at night, I was in the back seat of the car, kicked out by the police and left on the street, so we had to work to get our friend out of jail and get the car back.

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Just this one friend when he was drunk and not having any luck. Since then I have not been in a fight. But I am not Irish. If that matters.

Re: Welcome back E/O, leagl and Fringey: no one say the name "Penske" 3 times in a ro
 

That's my MO.....maybe I'm her sock....

Re: Welcome back E/O, leagl and Fringey: no one say the name "Penske" 3 times in a ro
 

And the guy I mentioned still denies he caused most of the fights he tried to drag us into.

Actually, he still is a friend. Once the fighting calmed down it was much easier to be friends with him. But you are right, at the time our friendship was certainly at the breaking point.

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Douchey Mike could sneak in, otherwise agree all around. Apparently Robin is a friend of a friend, the latter of whom told me she got a bit of raw deal in editing, although I have no way to confirm or deny until i meet her.

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That was in 1986, right? I think I still have my t-shirt.

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I did not just read this.

TM

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it was with you?

I may not get there with you.
 

As you know, if I were standing at the beginning of time, with the possibility of general and panoramic view of the whole human history up to now, and the Almighty said to me, "Ironweed, which age would you like to live in?"-- I would take my mental flight by Egypt through, or rather across the Red Sea, through the wilderness on toward the promised land. And in spite of its magnificence, I wouldn't stop there. I would move on by Greece, and take my mind to Mount Olympus. And I would see Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Euripides and Aristophanes assembled around the Parthenon as they discussed the great and eternal issues of reality.

But I wouldn't stop there. I would go on, even to the great heyday of the Roman Empire. And I would see developments around there, through various emperors and leaders. But I wouldn't stop there. I would even come up to the day of the Renaissance, and get a quick picture of all that the Renaissance did for the cultural and esthetic life of man. But I wouldn't stop there. I would even go by the way that the man for whom I'm named had his habitat. And I would watch Martin Luther as he tacked his ninety-five theses on the door at the church in Wittenberg. Orange bastard that he was.

But I wouldn't stop there. I would come on up even to 1863, and watch a vacillating president by the name of Abraham Lincoln finally come to the conclusion that he had to sign the Emancipation Proclamation. But I wouldn't stop there. I would even come up the early thirties, and see a man grappling with the problems of the bankruptcy of his nation. And come with an eloquent cry that we have nothing to fear but fear itself.

But I wouldn't stop there. Strangely enough, I would turn to the Almighty, and say, "If you allow me to live just a few years in the twenty-first century, I will be happy." Now that's a strange statement to make, because the world is all messed up. The nation is sick. Trouble is in the land. Confusion all around. That's a strange statement. But I know, somehow, that only when it is dark enough, can you see the stars. And I see God working in this period of the twenty-first century in a way that men, in some strange way, are responding--something is happening in our world. The masses of people are rising up. And wherever they are assembled today, whether they are in Dublin, Belfast, Boston, New York City, Cork, Donegal, Glasgow or London--the cry is always the same--"We want to be free."

And another reason that I'm happy to live in this period is that we have been forced to a point where we're going to have to grapple with the problems that men have been trying to grapple with through history, but the demands didn't force them to do it. Survival demands that we grapple with them. Men, for years now, have been talking about war and peace. But now, no longer can they just talk about it. It is no longer a choice between violence and nonviolence in this world; it's nonviolence or nonexistence.

That is where we are today. And also in the human rights revolution, if something isn't done, and in a hurry, to bring the Irish peoples of the world out of their long years of poverty, their long years of hurt and neglect, the whole world is doomed. Now, I'm just happy that God has allowed me to live in this period, to see what is unfolding. And I'm happy that he's allowed me to be on this board.

I can remember, I can remember when the Irish were just going around as Paddy has said, so often, scratching where they didn't itch, and laughing when they were not tickled. But that day is all over. We mean business now, and we are determined to gain our rightful place in God's world.

And that's all this whole thing is about. We aren't engaged in any negative protest and in any negative arguments with anybody. We are saying that we are determined to be men. We are determined to be people. We are saying that we are God's children. And that we don't have to live like we are forced to live.