I get the 9/11 changed things deal. I'm asking if the administration now is claiming that Nation Building is one of its goals here. Explicitly.

It's not bad, but you'll need to infuse it with both meandering points and hallucinatory reasoning in order to approach the works of Mr. Chinaski.

While we're on the topic, those of you who have not seen it may wish to review the results of this year's Faux Faulkner Contest. The liberals may find it rewarding reading, though some conservatives may holler and find the room tilted.

The Administration is too busy focusing on the hard work that needs to be done to acheive things. The semantics game ended when Clinton left office.

Say hello to the land of fu...................

Do you realize that, by quoting the widely ignored poster, you just exposed dozens of us to something that otherwise would have remained unpublished, as it were?

This is a real fucking problem. IMHO, a bigger problem than the insurgents.

Yes, but won't the free market lend to the societal evolution that will eventually remedy this inequity? Or are you anti-markets now?

Sorry, but why, if freedom and rights "for the people" were important enough to invade a country for (and yes, I am putting aside for this point the other reasons), can we wait and allow "evolution" to take care of these things for women?

Someone has to do the dishes.

I don't know when the last time I did dishes was. See, having educated, working women means you can afford to hire other people to do that. Or buy a lot of disposable dishes.

Waitwaitwait!

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Ok, Penske. Go ahead. I shall attempt to read your response without picturing the writer being clothed thusly.

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Is it our constitution or theirs? Don't we need to be sensitive to cultural differences here? Or have the libs dropped that PC mantra thing?

Back in my DC days when I would take summer jaunts to Newport (THE Newport, not that other place in SoCal) that was my look.

How would I know what liberals have done with the PC mantra?

In any event, obviously in my view freedom trumps PC considerations, particularly those with extra cushion for keeping girls down.

So, suppose we impose it on them. Then after the troops leave or maybe after half the troops leave and we are just there on an advisory capacity, they amend the constitution to take away some of the women's rights. Do we invade again to amend their constitution?

Of course we should. They kicked the UN inspectors out in '98. They might have WMDs.

Same question applies to anything else we purportedly care about in the way the country goes. Probably not. But it is a lot easier to keep in place once there than to put it in later.

Posts like this is why no one takes you seriously here, and the reckless flippancy reminds of the time you blew one of the greatest socks of all time and I only point this out because I am a people who cares.

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I can't believe this analogy didn't come to me last night, but whatever.

I would rather live in the semi-socialist parliamentary democracy of Great Britain of 1976 than the free-market dictatorship of Chile of 1976. Give me a lumbering statist economy with the right to call James Wilson a moron as I work on the fickle wiring of my Triumph Spitfire over a free market economic paradise in which my teenaged daughter is raped and killed by the army because her boyfriend wore a Che Guevara t-shirt before the junta took over.

And I'd rather live now in one of the social democrat statist Scandanavian countries than free markert Asian Tiger Singapore. Call me nutty.

I can't believe that people here would so easily trade away the rights of 50% of the population.

Actually, I guess I can believe it. As much as some have tried to hide it, property rights have always been accorded more deference than civil rights by a certain political segement here in the US.

I think we will leave a lot of the influential people resenting on this. Better to make incremental progress than blow up the spot completely. Plus the bottom line is to some extent it is a Muslimic country, and women are not first class citizens in Muslim society. Perhaps we could evangelize them? They are open to babyjesus, no?

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I'd take Singapore. I think more kids in the US should be caned and we would end up with fewer wayward adults like Hillary, Cindy Sheehan and John Wayne Gacy.

That would not have happened if I'd had a better mentor.

But there is no need to go backward. Iraqis weren't cheering in the streets when SH was toppled because it would mean that women could go back to being property and washing all the dishes again.

Some may have been cheering for that.

Sure, and some may have been cheering because their pet dragons were finally going to be freed, but it's probably not too helpful to dwell on those folks.

since 60 % are circumsized maybe they got nothing better to do than the dishes?

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what rights are they losing? did someone find a cite or are you just working out the arguments in case later you find out some were lost?

It looks like that 60% number is attributed to the Kurdish population in the north. How awful for those girls. I can't imagine doing that to any woman, much less a 3-8 year old.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0810/p06s01-woiq.html

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2 I've been to Singapore. the food is great.

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Does Burger have a cause of action against you for the use of that phrase under your avatar?

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How's this for a cite? From Voice of America ("Editorials Reflecting the Views of the
United States Government" according to the page):

• Manal Omar is regional representative in Iraq of Women for Women International, a private organization. She told a reporter, "Many Iraqi women are outraged by the idea that [the current draft of the] constitution refers to Islamic Shariah [law] as the primary legal source, especially as it relates to the personal-status law."
  
  Under Shariah, women receive smaller inheritances than men and have fewer rights if they divorce. "Many women are not against Islamic law in the constitution," says Ms. Omar, "but feel that safeguards need to be put in place with regard to interpretations and applications of an overarching Islamic Shariah."

I haven't read Iraq’s interim constitution, but I understand that it contains an equal protection clause appplicable to men and women. The current draft reportedly does not have such a clause.

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We've settled. In lieu of Hank's sending RT a vibrator, Hank and Balt will sponsor the board for another month. Win, win, win!

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The price of your principles is low.

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I certainly don't place property rights above women's rights (and I mean real civil rights), but we don't live in a perfect world.

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Fortunately for me, Hank's and Balt's are lower.

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I'd be happy to give up the title, provided all the wrongs done to me are corrected:

1- Mr Roeysssbrioeck flips and then deletes the sock who stole my beloved Juan the Marine sock. How can anyone who cares about this board take that sock away. Of course, i know right now Penske will not be able to support this.

2- i am given my rightfully won Superbowl pool prize from 4 years ago.

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Hank, in an ideal world I would support numero uno and I agree that you were unfairly wronged. I think that flipping and deleting would be ex post facto, and that is wrong. There are higher priniciples involved here.

#2 I support.

None of this changes the taint on your self-proclaimed title. Do you think Hillary is smarter than Marilyn Vos Savant?

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huh?

the sock who stole Juan is entitled to anon status while I have to blow my cover so that some voice is there to cry out for redress?

Are you with the ACLU criminal rights division?

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Maybe you should take Burger's approach and sell out. Place an ad here and on Craig's List to purchase the Juan sock. I think Patentgreedy is still here or if not, he does craigslist-that is how he met Paigow.