Loathsome lizard
 

You bastard! You told me I was the only one.

Not like the Amish from Witness
 

I dated this guy who has family who are Mennonites (and Hutterites, but they are a different ball of wax altogether). He was not an "ite". In any event, apparently there is vast drug usage among the Mennonite youth. Not sure if this is also characteristic of the Amish. Anyway, all of this is probably meaningless, just to say that these aren't your father's Amish (or Mennonites etc). Marijuana is said to be a gateway to tomato throwing, btw. I read it somewhere.

Loathsome lizard
 

You were, darling. But once the fur started growing back, it looked like Mom had a beard. And that's just disturbing.

B(ob)B(arker)4?
 

I'm gonna have to agree with Pags on this one, for the most part. Yes, it's self-loathing not to date within your own race. We call these people twinkies. Jun and Jee, like myself, are Korean. And Jun does have a point about Korean guys (and by "Korean" I really mean Korean-American). Many (if not most) of them do tend to want to date "good girls" who go to church, take care of the man, and never swear. Needless to say, I haven't dated many Asian men (which is not to say that I wouldn't). That said, it is a huge generalization for Jun to say that all Korean guys or all Asian guys are like this. I think Jun is just going through a twinkie phase and she'll get over it. Plus, a lot of Asian guys wouldn't date a girl that big (by Asian standards, she's really fat). But at least she's dated Asian guys in the past. I know some Asian chicks who categorically have never and will never date an Asian man. I think that's about as fucked up as being a rice daddy.

Not like the Amish from Witness
 

There was a documentary on the Amish that came out last year at Sundance, and I think that Showtime bought it. Anyhow, Amish kids get a year to decide whether or not they're going to stay Amish, and they sort of get thrown out into the real world to figure it out. From the documentary, they go a bit crazy with booze and drugs for a year, but most of them come back to the fold. I think it was called Devil's Playground or something like that.

Edited to add link to NPR description of the movie: http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/...ish/index.html

Talk to me, Goose. Talk to me
 

Here's the Sport's Guy discussing the upcoming NFL season, Top Gun's "homoerotic overtones that make SNL's 'Ace and Gary' cartoon seem subtle by comparison", and how Top Gun is the king of the Secretly Terrible Good Movies...http://espn.go.com/page2/s/simmons/030904.html


My favorite: "Special kudos to Meg Ryan here for getting Cruise to make that "I'm trying to cry but I can't make the tears come, so I'll look like I'm taking a dump instead" face."

Not like the Amish from Witness
 

Let me clarify that the family had left the Amish before the son was killed, and I was using "all crazy" in a humorous way (or attempting to) and not as a description of their grief over the loss.

Talk to me, Goose. Talk to me
 

The best ever commentary on Top Gun was by Quinten Tarantino in the otherwise forgettable movie Sleep With Me.

Not like the Amish from Witness
 

Love the top picture. Looks like something out of The Onion.

Not like the Amish from Witness
 

Too many rabid Amish e-mails and PMs after the first message, huh?

Not like the Amish from Witness
 

Well, at some point, statements on an internet message board (or whatever this is) are bound to come to their attention, and I don't want tomato all over my car. Once it dries, those seeds are a bitch to get off.

Not like the Amish from Witness
 

Fuck all y'all (is that right?) for putting Weird Al Yankovic into my head on permanent loop.

B(ob)B(arker)4?
 

1)The irony here is that you know Jun, who loves to cook, will probably cook her brains out to keep this Bob person in her life. I feel a little badly for her putting all her chips (and twinkies! no wonder she is so plump) on the tv table like this, as Bob's note to her didnt seem to indicate an interest in rekindling. It reeked of BB4 calling him and putting him on the spot.

I also don't think, for a minute, that Jun seems to fit that stereotype of subservient Asian chick that the rice daddies seem to go for.

2) I have to be mainly correct in saying that Atticus thinks you are dehumanizing the white men who love asian chicks by calling them rice daddies. [EDIT here to say I really fucked this sentence up by typing and talking on the phone at the same time]

3) lets talk about Jee. We know he is dating one "Carmen". We knwo from Jun that Jee is "a freak in bed". Is this a case of the non-Asian women being just for practice, but not marriageable? I ask this, bc as an armchair sociologist, I notice that while you will see many Asian women-non Asian men marriages in the NYT, you very rarely see it the other way. And I wonder why this is. Is it bc the men are more traditional? Do they prefer asian women to the nons? is the small dick urban legend stymieing their hopes with non Asians?

Just curious and interested.

No snuff?
 

I swear, man, those Jesuits are debauched. Totally. I hear the Vatican Library is like 80% porno.

Talk to me, Goose. Talk to me
 

I think the writer of that Eric Stoltz disaster "sleep with me" or ___ing and ____ing" might hav a lawsuit bc he did the top guyn homoerotic thing like ten years ago. Or was it Tarantino? Or was it Tarantino in the movie?

Bastards
 

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe...als/index.html

LONDON, England -- The steam train used in the Harry Potter films has been damaged by paint-wielding vandals, police said.


Fav Line -- "The people who did this are mindless toe rags," he said. "This will horrify the millions of Harry Potter fans."



What the fuck is a "toe rag"?

Talk to me, Goose. Talk to me
 

The Sport's Guy cites the movie (Sleep with Me), and notes that the volleyball scene plays "like a Schmitt's Gay commercial"...

No title
 

I found this amusing, and perhaps there are other non-debate-camp, non-band-camp dorks who will too:

"Cynically-- and people really hate me when I say this-- there are three words that often hold us together as a church. It is not Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It is not anything that you would think of. It is 'the pension fund.'" (The Rev. Dr. Sandra A. Wilson in the Minnesota Spokesman-Recorder)

http://www.spokesman-recorder.com/Ne...D=31216&sID=13

Though it is a little sad that she apparently does not realize that "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" is five words, not three. Do Episcopalians encourage inbreeding?

Toe rags
 

Back before modern medicine, conventional wisdom was that a linen rag wrapped around a gangrenous toe could save the toe (and thus the foot and the leg). The rag was icky and gross, so now it's an insult.

I made that up, but it sounds good.

Amish Survivor
 

Toe rags
 

Pretty good guess though.

"Aha, another term from that inexhaustible store of rude British slang expressions (though it is also well-known in Australia). It means that the person addressed is contemptible or worthless, a scrounger. Though it can be a relatively mild insult among friends, you should avoid saying it to strangers unless you want a smack in the mush or a punch up the bracket.
The original form—in the nineteenth century—was toe rag. It referred to the strips of cloth that convicts or tramps wrapped around their feet as an inadequate substitute for socks. The first recorded use is by J F Mortlock in his Experiences of a Convict of 1864: “Stockings being unknown, some luxurious men wrapped round their feet a piece of old shirting, called, in language more expressive than elegant, a ‘toe-rag’ ”. It didn’t take long to become a term of abuse—in 1875 a book on British circus life said that “Toe rags is another expression of contempt ... used ... chiefly by the lower grades of circus men, and the acrobats who stroll about the country, performing at fairs”.
It seems to have come to wider British knowledge and use from the 1970s on, largely because it was aired in the ITV police series The Sweeney about the London mobile detective force called the flying squad (rhyming slang: flying squad = Sweeney Todd, the demon barber of Fleet Street), a programme that delighted in using London slang.
The tow-rag spelling is sometimes seen because people have lost the link to the original sense, long since obsolete."

What did people do before Google? Toe rags.

Toe rags
 

Thanks for making me laugh.

toe rag.

aV

B(ob)B(arker)4?
 

In all fairness, I've known a number of Asian women who have said "no more asian guys ever" at various points. I don't think (or it didn't appear to me) to be a self-loathing, rabid assymilation, or even really a rebellion thing - they dated some guys from similar backgrounds, whatever the expectations were that they encountered pissed them off, and they said "well then, fuck all y'all." Was their conclusion that "all asian guys think you should be [blah blah blah]" obviously a silly overgeneralization? 'Course. But I don't think that necessarily indicates self loathing, or even rebellion.

Everyone trims their dating prospects based on some experienced correlation to undesirable behavior and, frankly, it is rational to do so. I myself excluded huge sections of the white male population from my dating pool without rights of review or appeal, including some who shared quite similar backgrounds (e.g.: all rural southerners known to wear baseball/gas station caps). I've know jews who refuse to date jews, Catholics who refuse to date catholics, white people who went black and ain't ever goin' back. I've even known a number of people who refuse to date someone of their backgroung, citing all sorts of neurotic, unacceptable behavior and expectations, yet who insist that they will only marry someone from within their own group. Is that self loathing? Sometimes, yeah, but not always.

In any event, the "no asian men, all asian men suck" statement sounds to me like youthful naivete, though perhaps not youthful rebellion. Eventually she'll figure out that no one but another asian will ever really understand just why asian men piss her off so much.

BR(based on having no clue who this person is anyway)C

Toe rags
 

B(ob)B(arker)4?
 

It's like this. I knew a guy like this in college. All he wanted was a subservient asian chick to marry. He even told me that probably the best way to do that is "mail order bride" in a semi-humorous way. Here's the problem, most asian-american guys are raised by their "from asia" mom. No woman (caucasian) will be able to meet this standard. Asian moms are generally stay-at-homes and their goal in life appears to be to take care of the men in the house. Cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc. They get out into the real world and when the asian-american guy says to the caucasian girl "hey honey, when you do my laundry this week, can you make sure to get the ass stains out of my shorts like my mom did? And I want chicken for dinner."

Caucasian chick says "fuck you, who do you think I am, your mother?" Even once asian guy has moved out of parents' house, he can always go back and mom will cook, clean and do laundry for him. Not many caucasian chicks will rise to that standard, nor will want to. It's not that they don't want to date caucasian chicks, it's just that caucasian chicks are usually not subservient enough for the asian-american males. Does that make sense?

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/02/fashion/02DRES.html

[NYT article on teenage girls and younger dressing like sluts.]

Query: how sluttish are some of the fashions actually described? spaghetti-strap tank tops? Camis with built in bras? I wear stuff like that all the time. Is that supposed to be somehow worse than the tube tops I ran about in (braless) in the waning years of the '70s? Is this just another version of the "oh, we're fuckin' boomers, this shit never happened to anyone before" schtick? I mean, you want to talk about scandalous and provocative clothing rebellion among the young, check out 1918-1928 when they were running about BOBBING THEIR HAIR AND WEARING SHEER STOCKINGS !!!

B(ob)B(arker)4?
 

Is Atticus really a rice daddy? For real?

I think the reason you don't see white chicks w/Asian guys is because Asian men have been portrayed as asexual, effeminiate, geeky, or just not masculine enough. Hence, white women aren't sexually attracted to them. It's a dying stereotype, I hope, but still lingers. Another reason might be that Asian men do tend to prefer to date Asian women, maybe because they're more conservative, or maybe b/c they feel that it's futile to go for white chicks? This is kind of a chicken-or-the-egg type of issue I guess.

Let me tell you a little secret about Asian chicks who date rice daddies. First of all, good-looking rice daddies are few and far between. I know of 2. Most Asian chicks who date rice daddies (or only date white guys) tend to be ugly. Or at least uglier than the Asian girls who date Asian guys. With notable exceptions, most Asian girls who only date Asian guys tend to be very, very thin and attractive. This is a well-known and anecdotally documented fact in the Korean community. We often joke about it and make fun of the white guy who thinks he's scored some hot Asian ass, when in reality, the woman on his arm has been beat with an ugly stick. Even my ex-BF, who is a borderline rice daddy (but not really), has dated at least 3 fugly Asian chicks. The white girls he's dated though, are all pretty attractive. You can imagine how it makes the Hottie feel, can't you?

Some of us were not old enough in the waning years of the '70s to have "braless" matter so I don't think if we wore tube tops it would have been considered slutty. :D

B(ob)B(arker)4?
 

So, if I married an Asian guy, would I inherit a mother in law who would cook for me and do my laundry? Bc that would be really helpful.

and yeah it makes sense. its pathetic, but it makes sense.

B(ob)B(arker)4?
 

No, but I'm willing to learn.

B(ob)B(arker)4?
 

NO! NO NO! If you married an asian guy, his mother would cook and clean for him. NOT YOU. Never for you! Her job is to make you look like a lazy bitch for not doing it for him yourdamnself. And then she would talk about you behind your back to the other asian moms about how lazy you are and how you (and any other woman on earth) are not good enough for him and how lazy you are and how no one ever taught you how to clean properly or dust or do laundry.

Amish Survivor
 

Swingers was on cable this weekend.

B(ob)B(arker)4?
 

True enough. But this applies even if the son marries an Asian woman. It's funny. My parents want me to marry a Korean guy, but my mom doesn't want me to have a Korean mother-in-law. Maybe I need to find a Korean guy whose mother is dead.

B(ob)B(arker)4?
 

1) I dont know what Atticus's deal is but he thinks my mentioning rice daddies (ie white guy's with asian fetishes) dehumanizes asian women, which I dont get.

2) I know a hard core rice daddy from hell, who majored in chinese, tagught ESL, but quit when he coudlnt tell if his students would be men or women by their name, hangs out at the starbucks at the ESL school at NYU, and goes for women who dont speak English (he acutally has a translator- fucking sick). his asian chicks are not so hot but not ugly. I know a korean girl who is considered a knock out and does not date asian men though she wont admit as such. Her sister, who looks like Jun in face and body, is the same. Interesting

Not like the Amish from Witness
 

This is alarming to me because my Grandma and her siblings throw rotten tomatoes at each other on the farm when they were growing up. So you're telling me grams is a druggie?!?

B(ob)B(arker)4?
 

Absolutely. I had a similar situation in college, when I dated a nice Indian guy who, it turned out, wanted the date a wacky American girlfriend who actually thought she was fully human that he could amuse his hometown friends with stories about, then go back home and marry someone uneducated his parents selected for him who would be his unquestioning slave.

I'd have killed myself first if I were his prospective bride, but as it was I merely had to dump him.

Hell, it barely matters for some of us now.

I didn't even mention the butt-exposing short shorts (worn with roller skates, of course!). I wouldn't be caught dead in those now. Nor would I let any child of mine wear thekind of bare, clingy, gross stuff I wore when I was a kid. Not because it was slutty, but because it looks like shit and is no longer fashionable (even with the resurgence of tube tops, the stuff I wore in the '70s has emphatically NOT been back in fashion).

But frankly most girls I see on the streets these days look fine to me. While I find it distressingly unambitious for anyone to wear jeans or t-shirts or tank tops in public, I find it no more shocking to see a 12 year old girl in the latest low-rider tight fashions than I do their mothers - usually less so. Do these people not remember the '80s, when we teens were all running around in acid-washed Guess jeans so tight they cut off our circulation, with heels? Sparkle eye shadow? Low buttoned blouses, big hair and racoon eyes?

Do these people not remember that, for the last 25 years at least and probably the better part of the last century, the "older" fashions worn by the 19-22 yo models that the 12-14 set mimic did not in fact make the little girls look 19-25? It made them look like they were wearing the usual 12-14 yo clothing. Seventeen Magazine was always meant to be outgrown when you hit 13. I outgrew Teen when I was, I think, 11. The statement "oh, a generation ago only a late-20s sexpot would wear that" doesn't at all imply that the girls are today dressing like late-20s sexpots. They are dressing like 13 year olds. They look like 13 year olds. It just shows that the parents blissfully unaware that fashions might actually have changed since they were kids, while also somehow being unaware that the generational fashion issues have not.

When they are 17-18, these girls will have abandoned Brittney and discovered Vogue, and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth among parents wishing for the simpler, more innocent days of $15 tops in the Jr.s section.

Dick Size
 

I'm not sure. I haven't seen that much Asian dick. I've only had one Asian BF and he was average. He wasn't super tall though. It goes with my height correlation. In my experience, guys over 6'0 tend to be well endowed and guys under are not. Of course there are a few exceptions, but not many, in my experience.

I can't remember the dick sizes of the few Asian guys I've hooked up with in a drunken state. I do know that I never thought to myself, "Wow, he has a big dick."

I don't mind tacky, tight, shiny or skin, but I'm still in shock from the black-bra-under-white-lace-shirt Madonna thing. Then and now, as far as I'm concerned, you might as well stick your ass out in hotpants on a street corner and declare yourself for sale by the hour to ugly middle aged guys who can't get a date.

B(ob)B(arker)4?
 

I have a jewish friend who is looking for a jewish woman with no jewish relatives at all, none of whom were killed in the holocaust. He said many of his friends who started out looking for the same thing got shiksas to convert, but he's an atheist and therefore won't do that.

Maybe you two could start some sort of an orphans/runaways dating service.