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ltl/fb 07-23-2005 01:15 AM
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Pssst. Chicks can't do math.

Ever helpful,

Flinty
:confused: Atticus is your favorite?

Penske_Account 07-23-2005 12:36 PM
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However, at the end of the day this is just another useless discussion...............stupid flamewar............It's surreal reading a written debate..............[And so on.]..............If we simply disbelieve people's descriptions of their views as posted, the point of this board breaks down.
So, at the beginning of the next day is it safe to conclude that you agree that in the statistics for birthing, women who get epidurals should have an asterisk next to their entry?

Atticus Grinch 07-23-2005 12:42 PM
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So, at the beginning of the next day is it safe to conclude that you agree that in the statistics for birthing, women who get epidurals should have an asterisk next to their entry?
As usual, you're not helping.

Shape Shifter 07-23-2005 12:50 PM
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As usual, you're not helping.
Dude, you dug the hole. Can't blame penske if he helps you shovel a little bit.

dtb 07-23-2005 01:10 PM
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You still don't get it. Let me try it this way: In a hypothetical utopia in which everyone buys their babies at thrift stores, males and females alike will think differently about the costs of bringing new life into the world than we presently do. They will think that cost is somewhat lower than a neighboring hypothetical utopia in which 85% of them buy babies at thrift stores and 15% deliver vaginally, and of that group .05% die. This is true whether or not those deliveries are painless.

Continue to note, if you will, that I make this observation, which I continue to believe is true, without believing that it is a good thing that people suffer and die. I only note it has an effect on their dispositions and appreciation of life that they do. You, meanwhile, are beating the crap out of a straw man that we presently lack an understanding of the cost of life because of the wide availability of epidurals today (an argument I did not make). I join you in thinking such an argument would be, if made, ludicrous. Now join me in acknowledging that no one here has yet made it.
Now Atticus, you know I love[d] you (once), so please know that I have nothing against you, and know you are all smart and shit.

That said, there is something ever-so-slightly condescending and superior in your tone that rather rankles.

Yes, yes; anyone who takes it that way must be retarded and/or willfully obtuse, but, there it is.

We know you're proud of the Mrs. and people actually GAPE IN AWE at the fact that she delivered children without pain medication. But you know what? BFD. Great. Big whoop, etc. To draw some sort of conclusion about anything based on a person's (or a sex's) decision whether to use pain medication during childbirth is patently absurd. Furthermore, it is unseemly to boast about it (and whether or not you are intending to "boast" -- that's how it sounds), and insulting to, well, me, and perhaps others who are taking issue with your theory.

Penske_Account 07-23-2005 01:32 PM
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................GAPE IN AWE...............
Was this pun intended?

dtb 07-23-2005 01:36 PM
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Was this pun intended?
What do you think?

Penske_Account 07-23-2005 01:39 PM
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What do you think?
As usual, I am not helping?

nononono 07-23-2005 02:08 PM
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I appreciate your putting it that way. However, at the end of the day this is just another useless discussion of "You posted X and that evinces you harbor objectionable belief Y because I think X can't exist without Y (mostly because all the people I've personally met who believe X also believe Y)." Some form of this argument is at the root of every stupid flamewar this place has to offer. It's surreal reading a written debate in which smart people tell you that you must believe Y, something you don't believe, because they can construct an argument about why you should, and then destroy Y because it is dead wrong.

My point was that some component of our appreciation for new life comes from the suffering and sacrifice necessary to accomplish it. No one has taken on this assertion head-on. It's a superficial and quite mean interpretation of that argument to say that I favor suffering, especially suffering of women in particular, which is what you and Fringey imputed to me. But all I said was that if all suffering were eliminated from all childbirth, our view of children would change in unexpected ways --- some of them good, perhaps. I don't think anyone who's experienced childbirth, epidural nor not, would describe the experience in the utopian way I did to make my point about this connection.

Within two posts it turned into:
  • Me: If X, then Z.

    NCS & Fringey: If .80X, then .80Z. And by our observation, Z is not 80%. Your correlation is therefore false.

    Me: I agree Z is not = 80%. There is no unit correlation. My point what that when X is completely obtained, Z will be completely obtained, not incrementally.

    Fringey: You are an asshole because two things cannot be correlated unless they are correlated in proportions, and you must secretly believe that non-mothers and mothers who have epidurals have no concept of the pain of childbirth. Most mothers have epidurals; by your argument most women should have no concept of the value of life.

    Me: Not so. This has never been about whether women with epidurals, childless women, men, nuns, whatever have this knowledge. The question is whether they, or anyone for that matter, will have it when we have no more stories of difficult childbirths.

    [And so on.]

I would have thought that I would have been taken at face value when I said I do not oppose epidurals. I was born with one, as were some of my favorite people. Shit, I suppose we would have done one if it had gotten bad enough. It's strange to me that my statement that this was our order of preference this time around because of our personal risk-balancing would be taken necessarily as judgmental of others when I went so far to say I was not. If we simply disbelieve people's descriptions of their views as posted, the point of this board breaks down.
I realize this thread has gone down the meta-discussion route, but for the record, I didn't miss a thing by not continuing the pain. Rather, the lack of pain allowed me to avoid being so caught up in it that I missed the birth itself. I was able to observe and experience simultaneously. The mystery of life, regard for it, etc., wasn't damaged. And though I went in fairly enamored of the romance of a natural birth, I don't miss the not having it. It wasn't a matter of not being able to take it, either - as mentioned, my body + pain = long stall in the delivery. There was no immediate danger of which I was advised, but rather than fighting it more, I decided to do something to ease it. Perineal massage, special breathing, epidural - all are methods of getting to the same place.

bold_n_brazen 07-23-2005 02:24 PM
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Perineal massage, special breathing, epidural - all are methods of getting to the same place.
My ex was once asked if he knew what my favorite flowers were. He replied, triumphantly, "Perineums!" Oh, how we laughed.

For future reference, I like peonies. And lilacs.

And pain medication, in all its forms.

Atticus Grinch 07-23-2005 05:46 PM
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Now Atticus, you know I love[d] you (once), so please know that I have nothing against you, and know you are all smart and shit.

That said, there is something ever-so-slightly condescending and superior in your tone that rather rankles.

Yes, yes; anyone who takes it that way must be retarded and/or willfully obtuse, but, there it is.

We know you're proud of the Mrs. and people actually GAPE IN AWE at the fact that she delivered children without pain medication. But you know what? BFD. Great. Big whoop, etc. To draw some sort of conclusion about anything based on a person's (or a sex's) decision whether to use pain medication during childbirth is patently absurd. Furthermore, it is unseemly to boast about it (and whether or not you are intending to "boast" -- that's how it sounds), and insulting to, well, me, and perhaps others who are taking issue with your theory.
Um, I'm inclined to believe that what people read into my posts was motivated far more by the politics of birth than it was by, say, my actual tone. Elsewhere on these boards I could say that anyone who eats meat is a murderer, or people who seek out DP encounters are total fucking whores, and it would not be seen as tramping on anyone's feelings. But if you say "We chose Demerol over an epidural because our midwife convinced us the risk was lower" and you're shitting on anyone who had an epidural, apparently, because someone in the room is going to think you're saying they unnecessarily put their baby at risk (or whatever).

Considering the endless pro-drug caveats with which I qualified my original posts on this topic, and my expressed support for a woman who flatly stated she would seek out a c-section instead of having another 42 hours of back labor, I have learned that even talking about one's own birth experience is judging even when you say it's not. It's too much of a minefield.

I think it says something that we can talk about "spanking or no spanking?" without calling anyone an abuser, but we can't talk about NCB without someone being called a misogynist who wants women to suffer. I'm a misogynist and my wife is both a misogynist and a masochist.

Penske_Account 07-23-2005 05:53 PM
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I'm a misogynist ....
In fairness AttiC, are you really a full fledged misogynist or just a misogynist*?


*as related to hatred solely: (i) induced by a woman's use of drugs to mitigate pain during the birthing process; or (ii) resulting in a desire to inflict pain on a woman during the birthing process by withholding pain relieving drugs from her.

ltl/fb 07-23-2005 06:32 PM
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As usual, you're not helping.
To be accurate, he's not helping *you*. Heh.

Shape Shifter 07-23-2005 07:26 PM
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Um, I'm inclined to believe that what people read into my posts was motivated far more by the politics of birth than it was by, say, my actual tone. Elsewhere on these boards I could say that anyone who eats meat is a murderer, or people who seek out DP encounters are total fucking whores, and it would not be seen as tramping on anyone's feelings. But if you say "We chose Demerol over an epidural because our midwife convinced us the risk was lower" and you're shitting on anyone who had an epidural, apparently, because someone in the room is going to think you're saying they unnecessarily put their baby at risk (or whatever).

Considering the endless pro-drug caveats with which I qualified my original posts on this topic, and my expressed support for a woman who flatly stated she would seek out a c-section instead of having another 42 hours of back labor, I have learned that even talking about one's own birth experience is judging even when you say it's not. It's too much of a minefield.

I think it says something that we can talk about "spanking or no spanking?" without calling anyone an abuser, but we can't talk about NCB without someone being called a misogynist who wants women to suffer. I'm a misogynist and my wife is both a misogynist and a masochist.
I think penske has some gasoline he'd let you borrow to fight this fire.

notcasesensitive 07-23-2005 10:04 PM
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Um, I'm inclined to believe that what people read into my posts was motivated far more by the politics of birth than it was by, say, my actual tone. Elsewhere on these boards I could say that anyone who eats meat is a murderer, or people who seek out DP encounters are total fucking whores, and it would not be seen as tramping on anyone's feelings. But if you say "We chose Demerol over an epidural because our midwife convinced us the risk was lower" and you're shitting on anyone who had an epidural, apparently, because someone in the room is going to think you're saying they unnecessarily put their baby at risk (or whatever).

Considering the endless pro-drug caveats with which I qualified my original posts on this topic, and my expressed support for a woman who flatly stated she would seek out a c-section instead of having another 42 hours of back labor, I have learned that even talking about one's own birth experience is judging even when you say it's not. It's too much of a minefield.

I think it says something that we can talk about "spanking or no spanking?" without calling anyone an abuser, but we can't talk about NCB without someone being called a misogynist who wants women to suffer. I'm a misogynist and my wife is both a misogynist and a masochist.
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My main point is that "drug-based pain control" and "epidural" should not be used interchangeably. My secondary point is that an entire society that delivers children while having an otherworldly detachment from their nether regions will probably not have the same understanding as their millions of female ancestors that life has a cost.
We all misread you? If everyone else thinks that you are saying something that you are not saying, maybe you misread the way the above statement reads to the general population. I couldn't even follow the 80% argument you claimed I was making. I was just interpreting the plain meaning of your statement.

I am not sending you Kim Possible's phone number if you keep up this charade that we've jumped all over you for no good reason.

Shape Shifter 07-23-2005 10:20 PM
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We all misread you? If everyone else thinks that you are saying something that you are not saying, maybe you misread the way the above statement reads to the general population. I couldn't even follow the 80% argument you claimed I was making. I was just interpreting the plain meaning of your statement.

I am not sending you Kim Possible's phone number if you keep up this charade that we've jumped all over you for no good reason.
You're too easy (duh). You should demand an apology for AG's sharp criticism of women who attempt to avoid God's punishment for Eve's sin.

Penske_Account 07-23-2005 10:20 PM
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We all misread you? If everyone else thinks that you are saying something that you are not saying, maybe you misread the way the above statement reads to the general population. I couldn't even follow the 80% argument you claimed I was making. I was just interpreting the plain meaning of your statement.
I think it all makes sense with appropriately placed asterisks, no?

Penske_Account 07-23-2005 10:21 PM
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You're too easy (duh). You should demand an apology for AG's sharp criticism of women who attempt to avoid God's punishment for Eve's sin.
I thought that punishment was menstruation, no?

nononono 07-23-2005 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Um, I'm inclined to believe that what people read into my posts was motivated far more by the politics of birth than it was by, say, my actual tone. Elsewhere on these boards I could say that anyone who eats meat is a murderer, or people who seek out DP encounters are total fucking whores, and it would not be seen as tramping on anyone's feelings. But if you say "We chose Demerol over an epidural because our midwife convinced us the risk was lower" and you're shitting on anyone who had an epidural, apparently, because someone in the room is going to think you're saying they unnecessarily put their baby at risk (or whatever).

Considering the endless pro-drug caveats with which I qualified my original posts on this topic, and my expressed support for a woman who flatly stated she would seek out a c-section instead of having another 42 hours of back labor, I have learned that even talking about one's own birth experience is judging even when you say it's not. It's too much of a minefield.

I think it says something that we can talk about "spanking or no spanking?" without calling anyone an abuser, but we can't talk about NCB without someone being called a misogynist who wants women to suffer. I'm a misogynist and my wife is both a misogynist and a masochist.
This is nothing. Be glad you are discussing this with smart people who can speak both intellectually and emotionally about the topic, and be advised that in the random world, this is pretty rare. Go check out some pregnancy boards and enjoy the visceral, ridiculous versions of this argument that happen there. Interestingly, the same issue occurs: someone says something about a certain choice; intentional or not, it strikes some as condescending (and let's face it, whenever you feel really good about how well something you (the general you) chose turned out and tell that to people, it can easily be or sound that way); and debates erupt. It's this topic (among many, but this is a biggie). It hits at something central and vital. So tread lightly, or at least know that you're going to get into this if you choose to...get into this!

Shape Shifter 07-24-2005 12:43 AM
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I thought that punishment was menstruation, no?
That's too easy. Like ncs.

Hank Chinaski 07-24-2005 11:43 AM
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Um, I'm inclined to believe that what people read into my posts was motivated far more by the politics of birth than it was by, say, my actual tone. Elsewhere on these boards I could say that anyone who eats meat is a murderer, or people who seek out DP encounters are total fucking whores, and it would not be seen as tramping on anyone's feelings. But if you say "We chose Demerol over an epidural because our midwife convinced us the risk was lower" and you're shitting on anyone who had an epidural, apparently, because someone in the room is going to think you're saying they unnecessarily put their baby at risk (or whatever).

Considering the endless pro-drug caveats with which I qualified my original posts on this topic, and my expressed support for a woman who flatly stated she would seek out a c-section instead of having another 42 hours of back labor, I have learned that even talking about one's own birth experience is judging even when you say it's not. It's too much of a minefield.

I think it says something that we can talk about "spanking or no spanking?" without calling anyone an abuser, but we can't talk about NCB without someone being called a misogynist who wants women to suffer. I'm a misogynist and my wife is both a misogynist and a masochist.
Don't be so sensitive. It's mainly just Jewesses who are atacking you on this. Its a cultural thing. Your wife was raised in the mountain, right? Plus, didn't you say you guys are Christian Science?


New topic! how long should a mom breast feed before it gets to be sick?

Penske_Account 07-24-2005 12:39 PM
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Don't be so sensitive. It's mainly just Jewesses who are atacking you on this. Its a cultural thing. Your wife was raised in the mountain, right? Plus, didn't you say you guys are Christian Science?


New topic! how long should a mom breast feed before it gets to be sick?
Anytime up until puberty seems reasonable to me, but at a minimum 18 months.

eta: this was in re: the child, right? For the husband I think its the duration of the marriage once the "milk" comes in

Atticus Grinch 07-24-2005 05:33 PM
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New topic! how long should a mom breast feed before it gets to be sick?
As usual, you're not . . . oh, nevermind.

Atticus Grinch 07-24-2005 05:43 PM
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We all misread you? If everyone else thinks that you are saying something that you are not saying, maybe you misread the way the above statement reads to the general population. I couldn't even follow the 80% argument you claimed I was making. I was just interpreting the plain meaning of your statement.

I am not sending you Kim Possible's phone number if you keep up this charade that we've jumped all over you for no good reason.
I don't think I said all other choices are bad, only that we were proud of having followed through with the choice we made even though it got rough. Does that mean I think all women who started out saying "no drugs, please!" but wound up saying "Epidural!" when they got into their thirteenth hour somehow pussed out? Unequivocally no, and I said as much. And then I said it again. But if you want to discuss it further, I suppose I will, until I have time to ketchup on the FB.

As for my philosophical musing about what we'll think of the miracle of birth when we succeed in making delivery just another outpatient elective medical procedure, I guess we'll never agree. Yes, we'll have that whole "Holy shit, I made a life!" response, but culturally some of that awe is tied up in the Awful Childbirth Stories we trade with each other. Will it be the same when those stories are as distant in time as, say, stories of slavery are to us today? Or was slavery a thoroughly more vivid influence on people's perceptions of each other when there were still living people who had experienced it firsthand? To me, the idea that we'll think about life differently when all pain is eliminated from childbirth (which is inevitable, and on balance a good thing) is self evident. But I guess I'm alone in that.

Atticus Grinch 07-24-2005 06:00 PM
In other parenting news, we experienced our first febrile seizure this morning. Many thanks to Bilmore (wherever he is) for telling me about them years ago so I didn't freak my shit. Okay, I didn't freak my shit as badly as I otherwise might have.

Penske_Account 07-24-2005 06:46 PM
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To me, the idea that we'll think about life differently when all pain is eliminated from childbirth (which is inevitable, and on balance a good thing) is self evident. But I guess I'm alone in that.
I agreed, if it makes you feel better.

robustpuppy 07-24-2005 07:44 PM
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Will it be the same when those stories are as distant in time as, say, stories of slavery are to us today? Or was slavery a thoroughly more vivid influence on people's perceptions of each other when there were still living people who had experienced it firsthand? To me, the idea that we'll think about life differently when all pain is eliminated from childbirth (which is inevitable, and on balance a good thing) is self evident. But I guess I'm alone in that.
Dude, are you kidding? Do you realize that regardless of how painful or pain free my labor experience may be, my cute little t-shaped belly button, the one that was so perfectly shaped there were people who had plastic surgery to get theirs just that way, will never be the same?!

Penske_Account 07-24-2005 07:47 PM
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Dude, are you kidding? Do you realize that regardless of how painful or pain free my labor experience may be, my cute little t-shaped belly button, the one that was so perfectly shaped there were people who had plastic surgery to get theirs just that way, will never be the same?!
Neither will your breasts, you take the bad with the good.

taxwonk 07-24-2005 07:59 PM
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Dude, are you kidding? Do you realize that regardless of how painful or pain free my labor experience may be, my cute little t-shaped belly button, the one that was so perfectly shaped there were people who had plastic surgery to get theirs just that way, will never be the same?!
Freud would tell you that is the price you, a mere woman, pay for not having a penis. Now quit getting hysterical.

nononono 07-24-2005 08:27 PM
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Neither will your breasts, you take the bad with the good.
After just 1, they may still be okay.

Penske_Account 07-24-2005 09:23 PM
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After just 1, they may still be okay.
I meant the breast comment in a good way.

tmdiva 07-24-2005 09:28 PM
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After just 1, they may still be okay.
Well, if you don't breastfeed, they'll probably stay perky (or at least perky-ish) no matter how many you squeeze out. Not that I'd recommend not breastfeeding (loved it, myself, for all 15.5 months) or anything.

Actually, now that I think about it, my mom is still pretty damn perky after bfing 6. She is also definitively in the small-breast rather than robust puppy category (hooray for her when they came out with those "in-between" sizes like Almost A and Nearly B).

tm

nononono 07-24-2005 09:28 PM
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I meant the breast comment in a good way.
Ha! Oh, *that* part of post-baby breast changes. Yes, the men always seem to like it.

dtb 07-25-2005 08:03 AM
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Ha! Oh, *that* part of post-baby breast changes. Yes, the men always seem to like it.
However, it is possible to have too much of a good thing. I know you fellas will think that's unpossible, but I assure you -- it is quite possible, and freakish. The upside is that if you don't feel like going back to your old job, you can join the circus!

nononono 07-25-2005 09:12 AM
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However, it is possible to have too much of a good thing. I know you fellas will think that's unpossible, but I assure you -- it is quite possible, and freakish. The upside is that if you don't feel like going back to your old job, you can join the circus!
Yes, yes, yes. I didn't love that, which was much worse the first time. Couldn't find a shirt that would button without pulling.

dtb 07-25-2005 09:42 AM
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Yes, yes, yes. I didn't love that, which was much worse the first time. Couldn't find a shirt that would button without pulling.
Oh, please. You and your tight shirts.

I couldn't find bras to fit me -- IN THE MATERNITY STORE. I outgrew the largest size they had less than halfway through each pregnancy. I longed for the day when my stomach would outgrow my boobs. Eventually, that happened, and it wasn't as noticeable, but blech.

The only place I could find bras to fit me was at a m'f surgical supply store. Freakish, I tell you. Freakish. And uncomfortable beyond belief.

nononono 07-25-2005 09:49 AM
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Oh, please. You and your tight shirts.

I couldn't find bras to fit me -- IN THE MATERNITY STORE. I outgrew the largest size they had less than halfway through each pregnancy. I longed for the day when my stomach would outgrow my boobs. Eventually, that happened, and it wasn't as noticeable, but blech.

The only place I could find bras to fit me was at a m'f surgical supply store. Freakish, I tell you. Freakish. And uncomfortable beyond belief.
Ha! Not laughing at your misery - well, a little. I didn't mind the pregs chest - but post-#1 (nursing) were just scary (though I was still able to shop in non-specialty stores - sorry). And painful.

dtb 07-25-2005 09:54 AM
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Ha! Not laughing at your misery - well, a little. I didn't mind the pregs chest - but post-#1 (nursing) were just scary (though I was still able to shop in non-specialty stores - sorry). And painful.
I can laugh now, but at the time, I was miserable. I felt like one of those sows you see at the fair with a bunch of piglets attached to her teats. Her poor teats are droopy and seem almost to touch they ground. She (the sow) usually looks so forlorn. When I see a piggy like that, I pat her on the head and say, "I sympathize, sister." (or words to that effect).

I swear, I get a look of understanding back from Mrs. Porky for my small kindness. We sows have to stick together.

nononono 07-25-2005 10:21 AM
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I can laugh now, but at the time, I was miserable. I felt like one of those sows you see at the fair with a bunch of piglets attached to her teats. Her poor teats are droopy and seem almost to touch they ground. She (the sow) usually looks so forlorn. When I see a piggy like that, I pat her on the head and say, "I sympathize, sister." (or words to that effect).

I swear, I get a look of understanding back from Mrs. Porky for my small kindness. We sows have to stick together.
Heh. Okay, so, everything back to normal now? I have mixed feelings about the aftermath.

dtb 07-25-2005 10:28 AM
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Heh. Okay, so, everything back to normal now? I have mixed feelings about the aftermath.
Yes. I was worried for a while after my second, because they didn't seem to be shrinking as quickly as they did the first time around, but eventually, they did.

I can't explain, really, why I get so huge, because my boobs are really more like boob-ettes. Not so big. In my case, that's probably a good thing, because there's not much there to droop. I can still claim perkiness with a straight face.


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