Old Ketchup in a Dusty Bottle
 

I think there are two differences. The first is the age of the girls. I don't remember my parents being shocked by what the pre-teens and young teens were wearing -- pretty much high school and up. And when I was 11-14, my parents weren't shocked at what I was wearing because they decided what I could wear and that was that. If for no other reason than stricter parenting, the past generational clothing shifts weren't so quickly copied by young girls. It was young women being scandalous, not girls.

The second is the overt slutty sexuality -- not only are really young girls dressing as provocatively in style as older girls and women, but in case you missed the message, their strappy little tops have glitter sayings that make it perfectly clear.

I finally figured out how to use it to my advantage though. After years of being a spectator my husband finally got off his ass and helped out a bit this weekend after I told him that doing so would not only give me the time to have sex but would also make him more fuckable because it would show that he cares. The trees I had been meaning to take down are now gone and I didn't have to do it by myself.

Oh crap, does this mean I now have to do more housework or cook? I was hoping it was enough to just order and pick up the Chinese food for dinner.

Well, duh
 

Years? Years? This is a no brainer. What took you so fricken long to figure it out?

Note to self: Suggest to BIL that if he takes the paternity leave I've been nagging him to take to help out my sister with the new baby and toddler, she'll be rested up enough to have sex a lot sooner. Watch him put in his request immediately.

Um, honey, what *does* your husband contribute to the relationship?

Anything you do to make your SO's life a little easier and more enjoyable makes you more fuckable than people who are just "along for the ride." You provided a meal, it doesn't matter whether you made it or somebody else did -- that makes you more fuckable.

That is the single best argument I have ever heard for dusting, ever. 'Pledge grab-its,' here I come!

Big Bore 4
 

Since the board is boring today anyway, can soimeone tell me what I missed on BB4 on Friday?

007
 

Actually, I got laid twice this weekend. And all it took was buying Mrs. Wonk a new house and new appliances. All of which added up to only slightly more than the car.

And I still had a buck so your momma blew me four times.

Men and their [Baby] Carriages
 

GA Moms, if you want hubby to take the baby out for a stroll, you have to get a stroller that appeals to the car nut in him.

I like to think the Chicago lawyer mentioned is one of our very own fashionista GAs.

Exceprts from a long NY Times Article:

Babies Are Riding High
By DAVID HOCHMAN

THE supermoms in the organic bread aisle couldn't stop staring. And who could blame them? My new baby was surely the finest-looking creation the store had ever seen, what with the adorable curves, the crimson bonnet and the ergonomically correct brushed-aluminum chassis.

So what if my wife wasn't scheduled to deliver our firstborn for another three weeks? As soon as our tricked-out red Bugaboo stroller arrived from Babystyle.com, I had to take the little addition for a spin.

Designer diaper bags do nothing for me. Sippy cups are for kids. But the $700 Dutch-engineered Bugaboo Frog had me rolling down the path of conspicuous conception. Maybe it was the 12-inch all-terrain tires or the squishy grip bar or the fact that the Bugaboo steered more like a Porsche than a pram, but there I was, wheeling an empty stroller through a grocery store for the adrenaline rush.

I wasn't alone. From Central Park West to Santa Monica's trendy Montana Avenue, the Bugaboo is the chariot of choice. Miranda has a Bugaboo on "Sex and the City." Julianne Moore showed hers off to Barbara Walters. And Noah Wyle rarely leaves home without his. "The Bugaboo's design surpasses anything that's out there," said Mr. Wyle, the star of "E.R." who has a 9-month-old named Owen. "I mean, have you seen the shocks on this thing?"

Though baby strollers have been around for more than 250 years, a new generation of exotic, expensive imports is redefining the way well-heeled parents push their kids around.

With once-prestigious brands like Peg Pérego and Aprica glutting baby stores, the strollers with cachet now come from little-known design firms in places like New Zealand and Sweden, and at prices upward of $2,000. And these aren't just chick vehicles anymore. Marketers are wooing new fathers like me (not to mention David Beckham, Matthew Broderick and David Duchovny) by packaging these ultra-prams — leather seats, pneumatic braking systems and all — as if they were little Lexuses.

"Suddenly, it's all about who's got the Techno, who's got the big wheels, who's got the limited edition," said Bryan Pulice, owner of Traveling Tikes, a Los Angeles children's store that sells four Bugaboos a day. He said he sold one to Mr. Duchovny and his wife, Téa Leoni.

The flaunt factor is definitely part of the appeal. Jim Folker, a patent lawyer from Chicago, gets stopped two or three times whenever he takes out his Bugaboo, er, his 8-month-old son, Nathaniel, for a stroll in the West Loop warehouse district. He likes that he can push the stroller with one hand, "which makes it feel less girly."
....

Maclaren is about to expand its fleet of Kate Spade prams, unveil a new line by Philippe Starck and introduce an exclusive collection of Burberry buggies. Next year, Mountain Buggy will introduce a 12-pound collapsible stroller that could carry an 85-pound child. And the French company Bébé Confort is marketing a deluxe stroller to fathers under the tagline "the paternal instinct." It even has a Web site that resembles a sports car ad at www.la-kart.com.

007
 

Sucker.

TM

Pamela Anderson Jr
 

All she needs are a couple of volleyballs and some fake eyelashes and bad lipliner.

http://i.cnn.net/si/2003/writers/fra...nikova_all.jpg

Men and their [Baby] Carriages
 

Also check out http://www.zooperstrollers.com They're a bit less than the Bugaboos mentioned, but still very cool--the SFC isn't particularly hardware-oriented, but he really got into the slick design on these.

tm

Old Ketchup in a Dusty Bottle
 

1) you remember your pre-teen years rather differently than I remember mine. I got called out for wanting to dress "slutty" when I was 10 (I believe it was ear-piercing at issue, which my mother still maintains is practiced only by slutty women.) Heel height may have come up before even that. Makeup certainly did.

2) This also is not new, it is entirely normal. I see your grandmother never told you about the early '20s. One of my great aunts was locked in the attic for quite a long time when she got her hair bobbed at 13 (my grandmother held out cutting her hair until she got married, like a nice girl), with my great-grandfather reportedly having fits the whole time that one of his daughters had become a prostitute. Bobbed hair, bare arms, no corsets, short skirts, sheer stockings, bare legs - if that isn't overt slutty sexuality obviously advertised, I don't know what is. Nevermind the examples in living memory of 1970s bralessness, and late '50s early'60s minis, etc, etc, etc. All far more shocking and overt in their context than spaghetti strap tops with Playboy branding on the front are in ours.

BR(Did you know there was a brief fashion among the young in Napoleonic France to wear a dress of the sheerest possible lawn, with no undergarments at all, and to have a servant trailing you at all times to keep you wet down so it clung see-through to your body? It wasn't the horror of the elders that stopped that, it was enough women dying of pneumonia. Just a curious bit of trivia for you.)C

Pamela Anderson Jr
 

Well she certainly can't play tennis. So she might as well become a pro bimbo.

Big Bore 4
 

Robert is HOH and he nominated Jun and Ali.

I think there was an episode on Saturday but I had to turn off my season pass to tape two football games on Saturday night. I have no idea who, if anyone, holds veto.

Old Ketchup in a Dusty Bottle
 

I'm not buying it. When I was in HS, it was the college girls and the hos that wore fuck-me clothes. Your average high-school sweetheart, if she wanted to tease the boys, would undo an extra button on her shirt to flash a bit of bra. She wouldn't skip the bra, and crop a t-shirt so that every time she leans forward to take notes in class, her cans are resting on the desktop.

Old Ketchup in a Dusty Bottle
 

When is the next Breasticle Day?

Old Ketchup in a Dusty Bottle
 

And they rouged their nipples to boot. I knew this thanks to my guilty pleasure of reading historical romances.

Big Bore 4
 

SHOCKING. Why would he not nominaet Erika (assuming they didnt do that bullshit power of veto before noms thing again)/ He can beat either of them but not Erika. Did he explain it?

Old Ketchup in a Dusty Bottle
 

God I love it wheh they rest them on stuff.

Old Ketchup in a Dusty Bottle
 

You are making it sound like you went to high school in the fifties, or whenever animal house was set.

and caucasion, please, cans = ass, not TITS.

In my high school, everyone wore bloochers (sp?), and that dark blue wool sweater with the diagonal dot patterns. risque meant it was worn over a short but not really short skirt. I blame Hot Topix for this revolution in bad taste.

Wait just a minute... You were the one who boasted that you were getting more than me a month or two ago. Are you now backing off of that statement?

n(never let anything drop, never let anything drop)cs

RIAA lawsuits
 

The RIAA filed 261 lawsuits against individual Internet music file sharers today and announced an amnesty program for people who admit they illegally share music files across the Internet.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/interne...ing/index.html

I wonder if there is a list of names, states, etc. posted anywhere.

aV

Old Ketchup in a Dusty Bottle
 

I think it can mean either:

"She wants me to throw it in her can."

"Jesus, did you see the cans on her?!"

Old Ketchup in a Dusty Bottle
 

My memory of 13 includes a fair percentage of the girls starting to blur the lines between covered and exposed. They were newly developing, and wanted everyone to know it.

(Thankfully, we had better things to do, and never really cared until 14 or 15.)

Old Ketchup in a Dusty Bottle
 

its actually dependant on the plural. can=butt, cans=breasts.....not sure how it would apply to single masectomy patient

Old Ketchup in a Dusty Bottle
 

Bluchers and the Norwegian sweater.

R(yes, they will deliver the LL Bean catalogue to the Guyland)P

I'm Baaaaaaack!
 

Hello there my fashionable friends. I've missed you.

I've spent the past 24 weeks in sweatpants, t-shirts and flip-flops with my hair pulled back in a ponytail. I deserve to be smacked around for how lazy I've been about how I look. I've been covered in baby poop, baby drool and baby spit-up much of that time. I am amazed at how immune to grossness I've become.

The good news is that the Brazenette is the single most amazing human being I've eevr laid eyes on. I could watch her chew on her fingers for hours. Listening to her "sing" breaks my heart. While I am not by nature a mushy person, I find myself overwhlemed by how wonderful I think she is.

The other good news is that I've lost most of the pregnancy weight and my old clothes fit. (Except in the boob area, where breastfeeding still leaves me quite large).

The bad news is that I am back at work...(sigh).

Looking forward to playing a little ketchup.

Bn'B

Old Ketchup in a Dusty Bottle
 

This whole debate is misguided. The question is, when are high-school girls going to get to see high-school boys acting like equal-opportunity pieces of ass? Why should a girl bother getting tarted up for some hoser high-schooler if he's going around in baggy-assed pants and huge shirts and she won't find out til too late that his bod is repulsive?

And speaking of asses, Will Ferrell is showing his waaaaaay too much of his on-screen lately. Did the world really benefit by his constant mooning in Old School? It was one step above Dennis Franz' for Christ's sake.

Old Ketchup in a Dusty Bottle
 

Flame and the Flower by chance? Good one, it's on my shelf at home. Bertrice has some nipple rouging, too, as I recall.

Some people who will remain nameless still do rouge their nipples, if they will be showing. NB: the new "long-lasting" lipsticks, which leave a stain when wiped off, do this very well, even better than a lip pencil, and if they're fully blotted they don't screw up your clothing or have a funny lipstick taste. Water-based gel rouges also work pretty well (cream lipsticks and rouges rub off). Good opportunity to improve symmetry, too, if one's aureoles are light.

Guys insist they think the idea is weird, so don't ask them, but the effect is very gratifying.

BR(and that's my contribution to TMI for today)C

Old Ketchup in a Dusty Bottle
 

How does this taste?

Decidedly not.

I'm Baaaaaaack!
 

Welcome back. Glad to hear you and the Brazenette are well. The men of the FB will be disappointed to hear that your breasts are so large since you missed Breasticle Day by thismuch.

I'm Baaaaaaack!
 

Sounds like every day is Breasticle Day for Mr. Brazen, though...

Edited to add: Indeed, welcome back.

I'm Baaaaaaack!
 

Yes, among the great bonuses when having children are the hormonal and bodily changes before and after having children. From the male perspective, it's like having multiple wives.



Editted to make the tenses agree.

thank you
 

I know this is the wrong board to post this, but I couldn't access the breasticle one as anonymous. Just wanted to say thank you all for all the nice things you said. It made my day.

Red Underwear "lady"

I'm Baaaaaaack!
 

Welcome back - I was just wondering the other day if we were going to hear from you again or you were permanently MIA.

Glad you hear that you and babe are doing well.

-TL

thank you
 

I think I speak for the male denizens of the FB (and a number of the ladies) when I say "Likewise, my dear... Likewise..."

Reading: Trash and Treasure
 

I'll always keep my Kathleens and that one started them all. Should have had them autographed back when she went to my grandma's church

Bertrice is a little kinky for my taste. All those kidnappings into harems. I'm on a Regency kick right now.

But I just finished two really good books. My neighborhood book club is discussing "The Secret Life of Bees" tomorrow. And this weekend I read "I Bought Andy Warhol," an inside look at the Contemporary art collecting and dealing world. It almost made me want to start collecting modern art until I remembered I really only like pretty pictures (though not of the Thomas Kinkade ilk).

Old Ketchup in a Dusty Bottle
 

I would be willing to bet that fashion in your high school was pretty much exactly the same as it was in mine, pretty Princess. We both grew up in parts where style didn't really change at all in the last half of the 20th Century.

And I bet you looked sweet in your LL Bean sweater and short grey skirt. Had I sat behind you in geometry, I would almost certainly have displayed my affection by trimming a couple inches off your perky flouncy ponytail.