LawTalkers - Missing the Paigow (et al.) [sniff]

Has anyone ever taken one of these? I need to either take a leave or quit entirely and I don't know how to go about this. I don't know how long I will need - I do know I need to do this now and my caseload would not allow me to just take a vacation. I need to go now and I need someone to cover my cases.

Pretty Little Flower

12-27-2005 11:56 AM

arghh

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
somebody say something!

As you are aware due to our earlier instant messaging communication, I received this morning a letter addressed: "Dear debt capital markets professional:". It is one of the more disturbing pieces of correspondence I have received in 2005.

greatwhitenorthchick

12-27-2005 12:02 PM

arghh

Quote:

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
As you are aware due to our earlier instant messaging communication, I received this morning a letter addressed: "Dear debt capital markets professional:". It is one of the more disturbing pieces of correspondence I have received in 2005.

It is what it is.

nononono

12-27-2005 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by ABBAKiss
Has anyone ever taken one of these? I need to either take a leave or quit entirely and I don't know how to go about this. I don't know how long I will need - I do know I need to do this now and my caseload would not allow me to just take a vacation. I need to go now and I need someone to cover my cases.

Do you have a mentor (that you trust)? May be a good place to start. If not, I'd still start by asking some partner you trust. It'll ultimately be up,probably, to the department head and HR will be involved at some point, but I'd start by finding someone to help get you to the right person with the right script.

ThurgreedMarshall

12-27-2005 12:07 PM

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I've done this. Something came up and I requested a two-month LoA. It's not that hard (depending on who you work for). I actually took two weeks of paid vacation and the rest as LoA. Firms don't frown on it as much as everyone thinks because (1) they'd rather keep you and they know you'll quit if they say no and (2) they don't have to pay you during the LoA.

I went first to the chair of the hiring committee and asked if it would be possible and let him know how long I needed. He gave me the okay, as long as the partners I worked for did as well. Then I went to the head of our office and then the head of the corporate department. They said the same. You can go to them and tell them that something very serious and very personal (if you don't want to discuss it) has come up and you need __ months away. It's easier, once you have the okays of the Hiring Committee, Firm and your department, to tell the partners you work for what you intend to do. Then it's not so much a request as it is a courtesy.

Good luck!

TM

Did you just call me Coltrane?

12-27-2005 12:20 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I've done this. Something came up and I requested a two-month LoA. It's not that hard (depending on who you work for). I actually took two weeks of paid vacation and the rest as LoA. Firms don't frown on it as much as everyone thinks because (1) they'd rather keep you and they know you'll quit if they say no and (2) they don't have to pay you during the LoA.

I went first to the chair of the hiring committee and asked if it would be possible and let him know how long I needed. He gave me the okay, as long as the partners I worked for did as well. Then I went to the head of our office and then the head of the corporate department. They said the same. You can go to them and tell them that something very serious and very personal (if you don't want to discuss it) has come up and you need __ months away. It's easier, once you have the okays of the Hiring Committee, Firm and your department, to tell the partners you work for what you intend to do. Then it's not so much a request as it is a courtesy.

Good luck!

TM

Sounds complicated. Wouldn't it just be easier for ABBA to blow her boss, a/k/a PLF?

Shape Shifter

12-27-2005 12:29 PM

arghh

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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
somebody say something!

Something.

Ha! I'm so clever. Also, my mom got a racoon.

Gattigap

12-27-2005 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Good luck!

TM

Translation: "Nicer for the last week of 2005!"

What, did the Ghost of Christmases Yet To Come visit you again?

Shape Shifter

12-27-2005 12:32 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Translation: "Nicer for the last week of 2005!"

What, did the Ghost of Christmases Yet To Come visit you again?

Holidays, not Christmases. Religionist fuck.

ThurgreedMarshall

12-27-2005 12:41 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Sounds complicated. Wouldn't it just be easier for ABBA to blow her boss, a/k/a PLF?

Isn't that just a regular Tuesday for her?

TM

ThurgreedMarshall

12-27-2005 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Translation: "Nicer for the last week of 2005!"

What, did the Ghost of Christmases Yet To Come visit you again?

Yep. He said a bunch of stuff, but all I really caught was, "Good luck!"

TM

sebastian_dangerfield

12-27-2005 12:47 PM

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I know one person who took one for stress reasons. They gave her two months w/o pay. She just said she was having a breakdown, and had a pile of visits to psychiatrists to prove it. I think they gave her the loa because they feared not doing so would invite litigation.

Did you just call me Coltrane?

12-27-2005 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Isn't that just a regular Tuesday for her?

TM

No. Usually she blows him for no reason. She'll have to put in some extra effort this time...she's going to have to really pay attention to the balls.

pony_trekker

12-27-2005 01:08 PM

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Hopefully, you're just pissed because your raise and bonus sucked.

Family Medical Leave Act, if you satisfy the conditions: on job 1 year, not-so-small place, taking care of a family member. But I think there is a notice provision.

pony_trekker

12-27-2005 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I know one person who took one for stress reasons. They gave her two months w/o pay. She just said she was having a breakdown, and had a pile of visits to psychiatrists to prove it. I think they gave her the loa because they feared not doing so would invite litigation when she came into the office playing first-person shooter.

sebastian_dangerfield

12-27-2005 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
No. Usually she blows him for no reason. She'll have to put in some extra effort this time...she's going to have to really pay attention to the balls.

Extra effort? From what I hear, a guinea pig could teabag him.

andViolins

12-27-2005 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by pony_trekker
Hopefully, you're just pissed because your raise and bonus sucked.

Family Medical Leave Act, if you satisfy the conditions: on job 1 year, not-so-small place, taking care of a family member. But I think there is a notice provision.

Not much of one under the FMLA. As long as a health care provider is filling out the form saying that you (or a family member) have a serious health condition, employers are very wise to allow the leave, regardless of how little actual notice is given.

aV

Alex_de_Large

12-27-2005 01:36 PM

Observations from this past weekend

-A six hour car trip, not necessarily pleasant under the best of circumstances, is not at all fun when one's wife is in an advanced state of pregnancy;

-"The Island" was a surprisingly entertaining movie, far less sucky than I expected. Scarlet Johansen is way hot;

-"Cinderella Man" also sucked less than I expected, but I still can't stand Renee Zelweger;

-Watching your father-in-law whip out a bottle Jagermeister and try to pass it off (out of ignorance) as a classy after-dinner-drink to one's parents of Germanic extraction can be highly amusing;

-3 days is both too long and too brief of a time with family.

sebastian_dangerfield

12-27-2005 01:45 PM

Observations from this past weekend

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Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
-A six hour car trip, not necessarily pleasant under the best of circumstances, is not at all fun when one's wife is in an advanced state of pregnancy;

-"The Island" was a surprisingly entertaining movie, far less sucky than I expected. Scarlet Johansen is way hot;

-"Cinderella Man" also sucked less than I expected, but I still can't stand Renee Zelweger;

-Watching your father-in-law whip out a bottle Jagermeister and try to pass it off (out of ignorance) as a classy after-dinner-drink to one's parents of Germanic extraction can be highly amusing;

-3 days is both too long and too brief of a time with family.

I watched the Island last night. I have no idea what its about, but Johansen is impossibly hot.

LessinSF

12-27-2005 01:58 PM

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You can join me. I'm giving notice, selling my place, and going to Europe for four months starting April 27. The theme is the Biggest Parties of Europe tour. Queen's Day in Amsterdam. Running of the Bulls in Spain. World Cup in Germany. Tomatina festival in Spain. Ibiza. Dalmatian Coast in Croatia. Maybe the Cheese Rolling Festival in England or the Wife Carrying Festival in Finland. I'm still playing with the itinerary.

Come home August 31, go to Burning Man, throw myself a big turning 40 party, work a couple months, and then go to Chile and Argentina next winter (their summer) for a few months.

ThurgreedMarshall

12-27-2005 02:14 PM

Christmas Day Night

So, on Sunday, my gf and I went out to dinner because we'd already filled all family obligations on Saturday and during the day on Sunday, and neither one of us is cooking a damn thing. We pick a cool spot in the Meatpacking District that's supposed to be good (Spice Market) and head over.

Great space. Cool layout. We get there at 10:00 and there are a good amount of people still eating and coming in. It's two levels and they take us downstairs. They seat us, we order, the food is very, very good, etc., etc.

I notice that at the booth-like table next to us are three somewhat attractive hispanic girls (I'm thinking Argentina). Tight, impossibly trendy clothes. Heavy accents. And that look that always seems to say to anyone they're looking at, "I don't know you, but I just might fuck you and you know I'm wild in bed."

So, they're enjoying themselves, we're enjoying ourselves, when a tall, objectively good-looking, well built white boy comes over in his striped button-down (to whoever keeps wearing these: you guys need to let this trend go already -- you all look like the same idiot whenever you go out) and asks if he can join them.

One woman says yes, another says nothing and the last, clearly the leader, tells him no. He says, "What do we do now? She said yes and you said no." She tells him to stand. He does, but works his way into sitting down after a few short minutes.

We're watching this thinking, "Who the hell tries to pick up on Christmas Eve?" because of course we are out for a nice dinner because it's Christmas (as are a few other tables). But this place is for people (i) who don't give a shit what holiday it is and (ii) are out to make the scene. I've noticed I've seen about a half dozen legitimate models and we haven't even been there for that long.

So, he's kickin' it. Can't really hear him. But they were laughing loud and often before he got there and now they aren't. So, he's either doing really well and has their attention or he's doing horribly.

As he's working, the waiter comes over with a thousand dollar bottle of Cristal. He says, "The gentlemen upstairs wanted to buy you a drink." BANG! The first guy is completely undercut. Dead in the water. They all want to know who sent it, what he looks like, who he is, etc. First guy tries to recover, but can't and in 6 minutes is wishing them a good night while they don't pay attention to him and sip champagne.

With him out of the picture, the second guy (short and not bad but not good looking) comes down and just pulls up a chair without asking, sits down and instantly has them laughing. He's in there.

I think, "Smooth. But a thousand dollars? Fuck that shit. I don't care how much money I have. I'm not buying anyone a thousand dollar bottle of champagne."

My gf and I have a laugh at Guy Number 1's expense.

TM

taxwonk

12-27-2005 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Isn't that just a regular Tuesday for her?

TM

You have a point. I think ABBA's going to need to step up to a fisting reference.

sebastian_dangerfield

12-27-2005 02:21 PM

Christmas Day Night

Quote:

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
So, on Sunday, my gf and I went out to dinner because we'd already filled all family obligations on Saturday and during the day on Sunday, and neither one of us is cooking a damn thing. We pick a cool spot in the Meatpacking District that's supposed to be good (Spice Market) and head over.

Great space. Cool layout. We get there at 10:00 and there are a good amount of people still eating and coming in. It's two levels and they take us downstairs. They seat us, we order, the food is very, very good, etc., etc.

I notice that at the booth-like table next to us are three somewhat attractive hispanic girls (I'm thinking Argentina). Tight, impossibly trendy clothes. Heavy accents. And that look that always seems to say to anyone they're looking at, "I don't know you, but I just might fuck you and you know I'm wild in bed."

So, they're enjoying themselves, we're enjoying ourselves, when a tall, objectively good-looking, well built white boy comes over in his striped button-down (to whoever keeps wearing these: you guys need to let this trend go already -- you all look like the same idiot whenever you go out) and asks if he can join them.

One woman says yes, another says nothing and the last, clearly the leader, tells him no. He says, "What do we do now? She said yes and you said no." She tells him to stand. He does, but works his way into sitting down after a few short minutes.

We're watching this thinking, "Who the hell tries to pick up on Christmas Eve?" because of course we are out for a nice dinner because it's Christmas (as are a few other tables). But this place is for people (i) who don't give a shit what holiday it is and (ii) are out to make the scene. I've noticed I've seen about a half dozen legitimate models and we haven't even been there for that long.

So, he's kickin' it. Can't really hear him. But they were laughing loud and often before he got there and now they aren't. So, he's either doing really well and has their attention or he's doing horribly.

As he's working, the waiter comes over with a thousand dollar bottle of Cristal. He says, "The gentlemen upstairs wanted to buy you a drink." BANG! The first guy is completely undercut. Dead in the water. They all want to know who sent it, what he looks like, who he is, etc. First guy tries to recover, but can't and in 6 minutes is wishing them a good night while they don't pay attention to him and sip champagne.

With him out of the picture, the second guy (short and not bad but not good looking) comes down and just pulls up a chair without asking, sits down and instantly has them laughing. He's in there.

I think, "Smooth. But a thousand dollars? Fuck that shit. I don't care how much money I have. I'm not buying anyone a thousand dollar bottle of champagne."

My gf and I have a laugh at Guy Number 1's expense.

TM

Three near-models from Argentina? That's an arguably very sensible investment.

ABBAKiss

12-27-2005 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by taxwonk
You have a point. I think ABBA's going to need to step up to a fisting reference.

Seriously - cut this shit out today. Knock it off. At least for today.

sebastian_dangerfield

12-27-2005 02:23 PM

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Originally posted by LessinSF
You can join me. I'm giving notice, selling my place, and going to Europe for four months starting April 27. The theme is the Biggest Parties of Europe tour. Queen's Day in Amsterdam. Running of the Bulls in Spain. World Cup in Germany. Tomatina festival in Spain. Ibiza. Dalmatian Coast in Croatia. Maybe the Cheese Rolling Festival in England or the Wife Carrying Festival in Finland. I'm still playing with the itinerary.

Come home August 31, go to Burning Man, throw myself a big turning 40 party, work a couple months, and then go to Chile and Argentina next winter (their summer) for a few months.

Godspeed.

May the damage you do be permanent and preclude you from every toiling in the salt mines again...

ThurgreedMarshall

12-27-2005 02:28 PM

Christmas Day Night

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Three near-models from Argentina? That's an arguably very sensible investment.

I didn't put them in the near-model category. But they were not. bad.

TM

greatwhitenorthchick

12-27-2005 02:39 PM

Christmas Day Night

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I didn't put them in the near-model category. But they were not. bad.

TM

What a lot of people don't realize is that it does not take all that much in the way of looks to be a model. A supermodel is a bit of a different story.

Alex_de_Large

12-27-2005 02:44 PM

Christmas Day Night

Quote:

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
What a lot of people don't realize is that it does not take all that much in the way of looks to be a model. A supermodel is a bit of a different story.

Correct. This chick is a model, but I don't think it's what TM had in mind:

http://www.sizeappeal.com/SizeAppeal...et_01-1026.jpg

greatwhitenorthchick

12-27-2005 02:47 PM

Christmas Day Night

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
Correct. This chick is a model, but I don't think it's what TM had in mind:

It is really great that people have you and me around to clear up these common misconceptions. Yay for us.

ABBAKiss

12-27-2005 02:49 PM

Christmas Day Night

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Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
Correct. This chick is a model, but I don't think it's what TM had in mind:

http://www.sizeappeal.com/SizeAppeal...et_01-1026.jpg

For those who need a visual, THIS is full figured. ETA: NTTAWWT.

Not Bob

12-27-2005 02:51 PM

Christmas Day Night

Quote:

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
It is really great that people have you and me around to clear up these common misconceptions. Yay for us.

Indeed. Don't cry for blondes, Argentina.

Alex_de_Large

12-27-2005 02:52 PM

Christmas Day Night

Quote:

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
It is really great that people have you and me around to clear up these common misconceptions. Yay for us.

Agreed.

Alex_de_Large

12-27-2005 02:53 PM

Christmas Day Night

Quote:

Originally posted by ABBAKiss
For those who need a visual, THIS is full figured. ETA: NTTAWWT.

Yet there are women in my office who would refer to her as skinny...

Hank Chinaski

12-27-2005 02:54 PM

Christmas Day Night

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
Correct. This chick is a model, but I don't think it's what TM had in mind:

http://www.sizeappeal.com/SizeAppeal...et_01-1026.jpg

I might buy her a Bud, but no way $1000 Champagne.

greatwhitenorthchick

12-27-2005 03:13 PM

Christmas Day Night

Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I might buy her a Bud, but no way $1000 Champagne.

I would buy her a glass of Andres Baby Canadian sparkling wine. Because she looks so happy in her pink skirt and black top and is doing the pose-y thing so confidently. It is cause for a minor celebration.

Pretty Little Flower

12-27-2005 03:16 PM

Christmas Day Night

Quote:

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I would buy her a glass of Andres Baby Canadian sparkling wine. Because she looks so happy in her pink skirt and black top and is doing the pose-y thing so confidently. It is cause for a minor celebration.

I might buy her a Prosecco. If she had a hot friend. Who was blowing me.

greatwhitenorthchick

12-27-2005 03:17 PM

Christmas Day Night

Quote:

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
I might buy her a Prosecco. If she had a hot friend. Who was blowing me.

I love Prosecco! Now I wish I were her and I had a hot friend.

Hank Chinaski

12-27-2005 03:21 PM

Christmas Day Night

Quote:

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
I love Prosecco! Now I wish I were her and I had a hot friend.

What a lot of people don't realize is that it does not take all that much in the way of looks to be hot to Flower.

Captain

12-27-2005 03:23 PM

Christmas Day Night

Quote:

Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
Correct. This chick is a model, but I don't think it's what TM had in mind:

http://www.sizeappeal.com/SizeAppeal...et_01-1026.jpg

Is she Slavic? Wasn't someone else here dating a Slavic model or something?

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