Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Roe isn't going anywhere. Nor is gay marriage. You're overwrought. Get a grip on yourself.

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A spineless milquetoast. A figurehead to give a shred of legitimacy to the cabinet of misfits.

You must be able to come up with something better than this.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

You're so very good at bobbing and weaving, changing the subject. Have you thought about running for office?

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Sure. And Hillary's going to win Pennsylvania. Everyone calm down.

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No offense, but your track record on these types of pronouncements has been pretty weak of late. In fact, if I had believed you every time in the last six months you said something would absolutely certainly happen, I would be pretty mad at you right now. Fortunately for our friendship, I pretty much disregard all of your predictions. In fact, I figured out that the main reason you like going commando so much is so that your voice is less muffled when you start declaring things like "Hillary will take Pennsylvania by 6!"

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I'm done with defending myself to someone calling me a country club voter. What's the point? Whatever I say, it'll be met with more angry shit.

I'm tired of defending myself to the right and the left. I hear the arguments from both sides. Really, I get it. The right tells me I didn't care about the working stiffs getting fucked in the economy, and oddly, that because I didn't back their guy, I don't deserve what Trump will bring. Well, I am pretty fucking sure that I don't deserve that, at all. The left barks about the sky falling, and that I'm a traitor for knowing better and not doing the right thing. They're being dramatic and more than a bit obnoxious.

How's a guy to win here? I've explained that I had no choice. And I'm not going to dignify anyone telling me I should be more frightened, upset, or horrified. I might be at some point. I just as well might not. I'll do as Chapelle suggested and see what happens.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

That is a fair criticism. I should stop with this political predicting and become an economist, where I'd be at least of average skill.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I had a nightmare about it once. Thankfully, without a segue worth recalling, it quickly morphed into an orgy.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I think Trump's going to play it as simply as possible: For every loon, we get an establishment sort. Keep things balanced between cuckoo and cronyist.

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Steve Bannon is to be the most senior adviser in the West Wing. Trump has renewed him pledge of mass deportation. This outreach to the black community is to double down on stop and frisk. But sure, he's said maybe it's a wall and not a fence and he's suggested keeping the good parts of Obamacare, which doesn't work at all.

Meanwhile, the speaker of the house is promising to dismantle Medicare and Medicaid.

Maybe he will still moderate, but we're not seeing it to any meaningful degree yet. And Reince Priebus is a worm.

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In fairness, you were in good company with many of your voting predictions, which is part of the reason I take no comfort when people tell me what will not occur in a Trump presidency. Which is why I think people should stop saying things like, "They'll never overturn Roe v. Wade." Or "He's not really going to prosecute Hillary." Because nobody knows what is going to happen.

Not. Even. Trump.

Think about it. Or don't. I actually have been trying not to, because all the hyperventilating is getting people worried.

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Well, the President-elect says he's going to appoint judges who will over turn Roe. So, ya know.

Granted, he also thinks gay marriage is stare decisis. I have no idea where he thinks he'd find a judge with a judicial philosophy that would decide those two that way.

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This post is hilarious, as usual.

Choices: Investment in industries that will compete going forward and job training in those industries (if people would vote against the assholes blocking all of that) or magically taking us back to the good old days with protectionist policy for jobs that are completely fucking gone.

Sure "we can argue" about these things. But why would we? The message 4 out of 5 morons prefer is: Magical High Paying Jobs for Life for Everybody!

TM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

You really don't spend much time here, do you?

TM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Stop whining like a little bitch.

You act like you come here to give us insight that we can't see when you're almost always talking out of your ass. When we point out all of the ass-talking, you think you're being attacked.

Again, no one gives a shit if you're frightened, upset, or horrified. When people think you're wrong, they say so. When Greedy or Wonk disagrees with me, they let me know. When I disagree with them, I let them know. It's the same for everyone here. People do not single you out because you're you, snowflake. They disagree with what you post because what you post is disagreeable.

So put on your pull-ups and stop complaining. Or don't. "How's a guy to win here." That's rich. No one fucking wins here. It's the politics board.

TM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

You're off to a fantastic start with your new approach.

TM

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I read somewhere that Hank actually has a formidable Win-Loss record here.

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The alternative you offer above is a variant of the "Everything can be fixed with education" argument. Well, allow me to retort: Robots. (And continued globalization.) Trot out some more rusty iron next time.

Who's the true moron in this trainwreck? The candidate who realized the public was largely morons and sold them what they wanted, or the stuffed suit who sold a voting public 66% of whom wanted change: "I'll give you more of the same!" She wasn't even creative enough to argue, "I know you want change, but things are beginning to move in the right direction, and I'll improve on the current situation."

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Bannon, Priebus: I'm batting 1000.

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No kidding, but you've got to play the hand you dealt yourself.

I've tried to engage with you, but you either don't respond or you change the subject. I guess you just must be worn out.

Just to be specific, I think it's pretty obvious that Trump is a disaster from a libertarian perspective, unless "libertarian" is a code word for "rich dude who wants to pay less taxes." Which, to be fair, is often the case. Your response was to say something about Hillary being an equal threat to liberty, without explaining what you mean. Which, to be fair, would have been seriously hard. GGG then called you a country-club Republican, suggesting that you just care about your taxes. So you go off on something about "managed decline." In context, that was a Trumpian non-sequitur. Post all day about managed decline if you've got something to say, but don't pretend you were actually responding to the thread. You were changing the subject.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

You're not the only special snowflake who can criticize Hillary (hi!), but you seem to be the only one here who thinks your criticism of Hillary are in some way equivalent to what one can say about Trump.

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Ummm, we were talking threats to liberty, and here you decide to not respond but pivot to a bunch of BS on another topic. What do you think this is, CNN?

I take this as a concession that Trump is a greater threat to liberty than Clinton. Now do you want to argue over whether water is wet, too?

Um, also, what Ty said.

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This information made the rounds in conservative circles the morning after the election. You'll be reassured to know that the only Dem state legislature up for election in the off cycle next year is New Jersey, IIRC, so we can cross our fingers for 2018, when it is still pretty unlikely.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I am pretty sure that Hillary is a threat to my liberty to not pay for elective abortions with my tax dollars.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I have to disagree with you. Bitch dog I've got whines a lot less than Sebby.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

And you think Trump isn't? Is that because of the extra steps where he takes your tax money, puts it into his pocket, and then pays for his next mistress's abortion? Or something else?

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Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Just a question on this. Has anyone ever seen milquetoast with a spine?

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Your question makes no sense w/r/t the conversation. It's another of your strawmen. I've already pointed out why the electorate who uses their votes to chase magical, impossible jobs is full of morons. Asking, essentially, whether it makes sense to promise impossible things to idiots as a political strategy is completely beside the point. But, sure. I'll answer. Taking advantage of idiots to get elected is very clever.

But your "Dude, uh...robots, man!" response is just silly. Will technology continue to destroy jobs? Yes. Are there industries that we could fund that would bring different (but not as many) jobs, bring down energy costs, and keep us near the top spot when it comes to competing with other countries on who gets to dominate that market? Yes.

It may have been poor strategy for Clinton (and the Democratic Party generally) to base policies on fucking reality. Hell, I'll even buy that you think she was wholly ineffective at delivering the appropriate message. But there are two options there even though we all know how uninvested you are in the outcome of the election. And maybe, given the fact that Republicans will always block the type of funding and support necessary to make us competitive when it comes to new opportunities, that it ends up not mattering a whit if the Democrats win the Presidency. But your constant Democrats-do-nothing crap is tiresome given the fact that actual policy plans could actually improve many morons' lives (or at least the next generation of morons).

TM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

You are completely fucking full of shit.

TM

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Trump's going to bring back the buggy whip. We're going to make the best buggy whips in the world. It's going to be huge.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

If libertarianism is all about whether one objects to the way the government spends money, then everyone is a libertarian. E.g., "Trump is a threat to my liberty to not pay the salaries of white supremacists," and so on.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Except for the part where she repeatedly said she wanted to repeal the 40 year old Hyde Amendment, which isn't exactly a moderate position.

I don't think Trump is pro-life, by any stretch of the imagination, as evidenced by his 5 positions on it over a three day period earlier this year. I also don't generally believe he intends to keep his promises to the Evangelicals he conned. And he no doubt advocated for his mistress to have an abortion, but I think that most of his cabinet would strongly advise him otherwise, and no Republican congress would ever bring up such a bill.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I believe that the proper role of the federal government should be less than 10% of what it is now. It's not just or even mostly a taxes thing, but that is one expression of it.

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Of course, they also want to deny me the liberty of having my tax dollars go to fund women's health services at secular institutions rather than funding discriminatory services at religiously affiliated institutions.

If the red states really want to address spending, and want a balanced budget amendment, here's the quid pro quo I'd look for: a provision that says no state as a whole can receive federal spending benefits that exceed what they pay in total federal taxes by more than 10%.

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Saying that you think "liberty" is threatened because women will have the choice to have an abortion -- that's Orwellian. You have to pay your taxes either way. I can understand that you object to abortion and would rather that other people who don't agree with you don't have the freedom to make their own choices, but that's not really about liberty.

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You're starting to sound like Sebby. Because this, much like repealing the Second Amendment, is so beyond the scope of the possible, it is not worth mentioning to or by anyone who isn't completely nuts. Do you qualify?

TM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

And now I see that you do not qualify.

TM

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My first statement was more tongue-in-cheek and I didn't actually intend it to be an expression of my liberty.

I believe that people have unlimited liberties and freedoms, and that the power of government is what is limited by the Constitution. But if someone does have a natural liberty it doesn't mean that they have a "right" to have the expression of that liberty paid for by others under penalty of law.

Make Taxation Theft Again!

(I am not all anti-tax, and am fine with a progressive tax system, but the tax burden should be cut down by 90% commensurate with the size of government. No fears, though. Trump is a big government guy, so nothing's changing).

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This would be absolutely amazing.

TM