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spookyfish 04-16-2003 12:58 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
C'mon, man, your sig line was written in '75. Couldn't have been too bad.
That may be true, but I've already given my frame of reference as to why the 70's largely did suck.

I saw a documentary on AC/DC recently and now, aside from that being a phrase appropriate to legal types, I can't get that fucking song out of my brain. They rawk -- a big-dumb-testosterone-fueled rawk, but rawk they do, especially w/Bon.

spookyfish

spookyfish 04-16-2003 01:02 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Actually, I think Who's Next is terribly overrated.

Next Guess!
Exile on Main Street. What was I thinking. Forgive me.

And I love the Who, so you can shut the fuck up. :mad:

spookyfish

spookyfish 04-16-2003 01:05 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Well... its not true that I ever sang along with Meatloaf. He's so bad he doesn't even have any comedy value. He's like catching your grandparents fucking. You're compelled to stick around just long enought to see how bad it can get, then run off and wretch.

S(harsh, but accurate)D
My nomination for POTD. Hilarious. Harsh, accurate and Hilarious.

spookyfish

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 04-16-2003 01:07 PM

The Kids Are Alright
 
Quote:

Originally posted by spookyfish
Exile on Main Street. What was I thinking. Forgive me.

And I love the Who, so you can shut the fuck up. :mad:

spookyfish
We have a winner!

I actually like the Who, too, though I prefer the short, punchy, almost proto-punk stuff from the 60s. I'd probably like Who's Next better if it wasn't such a staple of classic rock radio and the camaro set. Not to sound all sebbish, I mean, snobish.

Ollie (can't explain) Ramone

paigowprincess 04-16-2003 01:07 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Actually, I think Who's Next is terribly overrated.

Next Guess!
Eat a Peach

paigowprincess 04-16-2003 01:09 PM

The Kids Are Alright
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
We have a winner!

I actually like the Who, too, though I prefer the short, punchy, almost proto-punk stuff from the 60s. I'd probably like Who's Next better if it wasn't such a staple of classic rock radio and the camaro set. Not to sound all sebbish, I mean, snobish.

Ollie (can't explain) Ramone
Well fuck, my first thought was either let it bleed or ezile and i did a discography on the stones and iddnt get 72 as the year, leaving me with Eat a Peach. Which could win the title.

sebastian_dangerfield 04-16-2003 01:10 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by spookyfish
That may be true, but I've already given my frame of reference as to why the 70's largely did suck.

I saw a documentary on AC/DC recently and now, aside from that being a phrase appropriate to legal types, I can't get that fucking song out of my brain. They rawk -- a big-dumb-testosterone-fueled rawk, but rawk they do, especially w/Bon.

spookyfish
AC/DC is a severely underrated rock group. They were unfairly typed as dumb metal, but their early records are more like the Stones on steroids and speed - a sort of a blues boogy version of the early Stones with long guitar solos and a crazy screaming vocalist. From High Voltage through to For Those About to Rock, AC/DC put out the best hard rock records in history. Back in Black just never gets old, and Let There Be Rock sounds like what happens when you mix punk, blues and whole lotta meth and whiskey - that disc really jumps out of the speakers.

OH, AND BUY THE NEW WHITE STRIPES DISC. Its ain't the best record in a decade as the ass-kissing reviewers make it sound, but its fucking really good.

spookyfish 04-16-2003 01:15 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
AC/DC is a severely underrated rock group.
Severely underrated rock groups don't make the R&R Hall of Fame, though some severely overrated ones (like Fleetwood Mac, for example) do. And why isn't Sabbath in the HOF?

spookyfish

evenodds 04-16-2003 01:16 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
AC/DC is a severely underrated rock group.
You know who is severely underrated from the 70s - - Little Feat.

That was a great band and I still love the old pre-77 albums and anything Lowell George ever did.

E/O

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 04-16-2003 01:16 PM

The Kids Are Alright
 
Quote:

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Well fuck, my first thought was either let it bleed or ezile and i did a discography on the stones and iddnt get 72 as the year, leaving me with Eat a Peach. Which could win the title.
You made me double check but yeah, Exile came out in '72. I cannot imagine a more perfect album. I'm actually a somewhat reluctant Stones fan, due largely (okay, entirely) to their output over the last 20 years. But fuck, can't deny greatness.

bilmore 04-16-2003 01:20 PM

The Kids Are Alright
 
Quote:

Originally posted by paigowprincess
. . . , leaving me with Eat a Peach. Which could win the title.
Naw - too limited of an audience. That was for hard-core ABB'ers. (I actually wore out my first copy of that one.)

("Huh? How do you wear out a CD?" they asked, puzzled, . . .)

sebastian_dangerfield 04-16-2003 01:26 PM

AI
 
EO,

AGREED.

Lowell George is the fucking greatest. Sailin Shoes through Waiting for Columbus are killer discs.

Waiting might be the best live record I own.

I've found that asking someone whether they dig LF is a nice intro to find out whether there's an upstairs party taking place. Don't know why... just seems that the really fucked up folks seem to dig LF and Steely Dan. I hate Steely Dan. Awful lounge music.



Quote:

Originally posted by evenodds
You know who is severely underrated from the 70s - - Little Feat.

That was a great band and I still love the old pre-77 albums and anything Lowell George ever did.

E/O

SlaveNoMore 04-16-2003 01:28 PM

1972
 
Quote:

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
... the greatest rock and roll album of all time came out in '72. Sebby, name that record.
I'm guessing you don't mean "Tales of the Topographic Oceans" from Yes, so I'm guessing you mean:

Pink Floyd "Obscured by Clouds"?
Hot Tuna "Burgers"?
Neil Young "Harvest"?
Genesis "Foxtrot"?
GD "Europe 72"?
Stills "Manassas"?
CCR "Mardi Gras"?
ZZ Top "Rio Grande Mud"? [note - I had to google this one]
Tull "Living in the Past"?
Steely Dan "Can't Buy a Thrill"?
the aforementioned Deep Purple "Machine Head"
Elton John "Honkey Chateau"

although I'm personally going with Sabbath's "Volume 4" or Bowie's "Ziggy Stardust"

not7y(Close to the Edge was 72, Oceans was actually '73, if you care)S

andViolins 04-16-2003 01:30 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by spookyfish
Severely underrated rock groups don't make the R&R Hall of Fame, though some severely overrated ones (like Fleetwood Mac, for example) do. And why isn't Sabbath in the HOF?

spookyfish
O.K. Fleetwood Mac observation. Does anyone else think that the song Peacekeeper sounds just like a slightly slower version of the Paul Simon song Kodachrome? Every time I hear it on the radio, I start singing the Simon lyrics.

a(When I think back On all the crap I learned in high school)V

Bad_Rich_Chic 04-16-2003 01:35 PM

Muskrat Love and other forms of bestiality
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Anne Elk
How about a little "Muskrat Love" then? My sister and I thought that song was great! Then again we were both in single digits.
Ah, cripes, you remind me of the Mr. going off about that very song just this weekend. He was remembering, sometime in the mid to late '80s, getting a lift from an older brother who was playing a tape with Muskrat Love on it, which the Mr. (quite the music snob, then and now) had never heard before. He listened for about a verse and then turned to his brother incredulously and said "what the FUCK IS THIS?" The brother (who would have been in HS when it came out and so had no excuse) just laughed and laughed. I had to admit that I remembered it from when it actually came out (I, too, was in the single digits), but I sort of thought it was a Disney-type thing.

The Mr. reports he was scarred for life but the creepy little squeeky muskrat whoopee noises. :blush:

BR(and who can blame him? Oh, and Imust try out the smiley I am sure was left just for me: :whip: )C

bilmore 04-16-2003 01:37 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I hate Steely Dan. Awful lounge music.
I had every record that you listed on your earlier post, but can't figure out what you would hate about Steely Dan? Granted, they have a very different, non-hc-rock sound, but they were/are master musicians, and put together some great stuff. Aja is basically jazz/latin/rock merged, so it doesn't fit into any easy label, but the stuff is still damn good.

sebastian_dangerfield 04-16-2003 01:40 PM

1972
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I'm guessing you don't mean "Tales of the Topographic Oceans" from Yes, so I'm guessing you mean:

Pink Floyd "Obscured by Clouds"?
Hot Tuna "Burgers"?
Neil Young "Harvest"?
Genesis "Foxtrot"?
GD "Europe 72"?
Stills "Manassas"?
CCR "Mardi Gras"?
ZZ Top "Rio Grande Mud"? [note - I had to google this one]
Tull "Living in the Past"?
Steely Dan "Can't Buy a Thrill"?
the aforementioned Deep Purple "Machine Head"
Elton John "Honkey Chateau"

although I'm personally going with Sabbath's "Volume 4" or Bowie's "Ziggy Stardust"

not7y(Close to the Edge was 72, Oceans was actually '73, if you care)S
Exile would be too easy. I assume this is a trick question with an obscure answer.

Not Blood on The Tracks... that's good, but not that good.

This question kills me... gimme the answer - you can PM it if you like.

evenodds 04-16-2003 01:41 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
I had every record that you listed on your earlier post, but can't figure out what you would hate about Steely Dan? Granted, they have a very different, non-hc-rock sound, but they were/are master musicians, and put together some great stuff. Aja is basically jazz/latin/rock merged, so it doesn't fit into any easy label, but the stuff is still damn good.
I think it depends on when you first happened upon Steely Dan. They were so innovative that some of their stuff might seem trite if you came upon it after their idiom was coopted.

Even(love Steely Dan and Donald Fagen's Nightfly)Odds

SlaveNoMore 04-16-2003 01:42 PM

Albatross
 
Quote:

spookyfish
...some severely overrated ones (like Fleetwood Mac, for example)
Fleetwood Mac is hardly overrated. Overplayed - most definitelty - but overrated?

Ask any guitar player and they will tell you how underrated Lindsay is. Same thing for Mick's drumming.

Secondly, anyone discussing Mac needs to include their long, long history prior to the Lindsay/Stevie era beginning in 1975, including their Chicago blues records with Peter Green. Phenomenal stuff.

Don't get me started on Sabbath, lest I start discussing the much underrated "Technical Ectasy" LP.

not7yS

SlaveNoMore 04-16-2003 01:47 PM

Is there gas in the car? Yes, there's gas in the car.
 
Quote:

evenodds
I think it depends on when you first happened upon Steely Dan. They were so innovative that some of their stuff might seem trite if you came upon it after their idiom was coopted.

Even(love Steely Dan and Donald Fagen's Nightfly)Odds
I loathed Steely Dan until I was about 26. Then, someone whose musical opinions I highly respect, suggested I give them a fresh listen. It was a revelation to me how much I enjoyed them.

Their lyrics are biting and their arrangements are so damn precise. Great, great stuff.

And if you buy the boxed set - you get all their albums [save the 2 recent ones] on 4 CDs

not7y(are you with me Doctor Wu)S

Replaced_Texan 04-16-2003 01:51 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
Hell no. At least BJ can sing and play and his music reflected the times.

However, that guy from Rush who should be shot for ever singing outside the privacy of his shower is an abomination against God.

p(yeah, bring it on Rush fans)j
I have your back on this one.

Sidd Finch 04-16-2003 01:52 PM

Albatross
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Don't get me started on Sabbath, lest I start discussing the much underrated "Technical Ectasy" LP.

not7yS

Please God, no.

bilmore 04-16-2003 01:55 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by evenodds
They were so innovative that some of their stuff might seem trite if you came upon it after their idiom was coopted.
Only a fool would say that.

;)

notcasesensitive 04-16-2003 01:58 PM

Is there gas in the car? Yes, there's gas in the car.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I loathed Steely Dan until I was about 26. Then, someone whose musical opinions I highly respect, suggested I give them a fresh listen. It was a revelation to me how much I enjoyed them.

Their lyrics are biting and their arrangements are so damn precise. Great, great stuff.

And if you buy the boxed set - you get all their albums [save the 2 recent ones] on 4 CDs

not7y(are you with me Doctor Wu)S
My SO loves Steely Dan. Raves even. I've never listened to much of their stuff, but I did get major brownie points for the fact that Hey Nineteen was my first 45 purchase. Of course if you look at some of the other stuff that constituted early purchases, that was more of an anomoly than a display of sophisticated music preferences.

Actually during my 45-buying days, I was really into that Who song You Better You Bet, so I went to the record store, but I couldn't remember who sang it, and I didn't know the name of the song, so I accidently purchased Climax Blues Band song I Love You (not even close, I know). Hopefully a penny of my misguided purchase made it to the good folks at the Climax Blues Band, I'm sure they could use some cash right about now.

n(when I say "I love you" you say you better)cs

notcasesensitive 04-16-2003 02:03 PM

Catfight!
 
From realityblurred --

A fight with an agent last Thursday left Sharon Osbourne with "a dislocated jaw, chipped tooth and sprained neck," MTV News reports. The Osbournes star appeared Tuesday on Celebrity Justice to discuss the incident, and the program featured "two witnesses who support Osbourne's claim that Tab was the one who hit first," according to MTV.

n(would have been better if it turned into a foodfight)cs

Replaced_Texan 04-16-2003 02:12 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by spookyfish
That was a flat out horrible era for songs. The early to mid-70's with the exception of what certain groups that carried on from the 60's, like the Stones, the Who and the Kinks were doing, was a vast wasteland of overproduced corporate bullshit rock, along with the happy balladeer Jims (Croce and Taylor, though JT was pretty strung out at the time) and some really bad crossover country (Kenny Rogers and Charlie Rich or Convoyyyyy!, anyone?).

I was just a kid, but I remember suffering through what I consider was the death-knell of AM radio. Please don't remind me again.

Upon further review, it also reminds me of perhaps the worst, and certainly the longest song, ever. American Pie (The Day the Music Died) by Don McLean. How anybody could like that piece of shit is beyond me.

spookyfish
This is the part where I confess to having an unaccountable and enduring fondness for Niel Diamond, who was fairly successful in that period.

spookyfish 04-16-2003 02:13 PM

Ahh - The subjectivity of musical taste.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Fleetwood Mac is hardly overrated. Overplayed - most definitelty - but overrated?

Ask any guitar player and they will tell you how underrated Lindsay is. Same thing for Mick's drumming.

Secondly, anyone discussing Mac needs to include their long, long history prior to the Lindsay/Stevie era beginning in 1975, including their Chicago blues records with Peter Green. Phenomenal stuff.

Don't get me started on Sabbath, lest I start discussing the much underrated "Technical Ectasy" LP.

not7yS
Don't get me wrong. I like Fleetwood Mac, and as much as I like Rumours, I still think they are overrated, whereas there are many deserving bands that have been shut out of the HOF voting to date. I'm using that as my measure, since that was the original point of my post in discussing the HOF as one measure of "greatness".

Don't like that example? How about the Doors? I like them, but they are overrated. Their best songs were written by Robbie Krieger. Morrison's overblown, halluciongenic, sophomoric poetry was largely a joke and most people who liked his stuff were too stoned to realize it sucked.

You can have great bands that don't have great musicians, and you can have great musicians that together, don't make a great band. The Velvets, for example, weren't great musicians, but they were a fucking awesome band.

Lindsey Buckingham is a great player. You are probably right in saying he is underrated. Mick's drums are usually so far down in the mix, I can't speak to whether he is great or not. I think he's servicable, but he doesn't do much for me.

I know it's probably blasphemy to say so, buy you can be great and still be overrated. Case in point, Clapton. Great player, but completely overrated. For my money, Carlos Santana, Hendrix and Zappa, just to mention a few, completely kick his ass, as far as rock guitarists go, and there are a plethora of far lesser known blues players who standing side by side, would completely smoke him.

This is why I love music. Everybody has an opinion, sometimes a very strong one, and no one is wrong. They might be unpopular, but not necessarily wrong.

spookyfish

Replaced_Texan 04-16-2003 02:15 PM

Help for my big bouncing chafed tatas
 
Quote:

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Where in DC can I find a title 9 sports bra? I just tried on some Nike stuff and I still bounce. My tits are killing me.

and its "smoke on water" not "smoke on the water", ozzie.
The only retail store for Title 9 is in Berekely. Otherwise, you have to rely on catalogue and website.

Anne Elk 04-16-2003 02:16 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
This is the part where I confess to having an unaccountable and enduring fondness for Niel Diamond, who was fairly successful in that period.
Me too. Other musical confessions include Tom Jones.

robustpuppy 04-16-2003 02:26 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Anne Elk
Me too. Other musical confessions include Tom Jones.
I believe the full name for that act is Tom and his Jones.

spookyfish 04-16-2003 02:27 PM

Anne Elk has a Tom Jones
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Anne Elk
Me too. Other musical confessions include Tom Jones.
Tom Jones is sort of "kitschy-cool". You gotta respect any guy who has panties thrown at him when he's on stage, and uses them to wipe his sweaty brow. Although as far as singers go, I would put him in the same catagory as another tarzan-yeller, Michael Bolton, albeit with much more soul.

One of the funniest things I ever saw was an old clip of his variety show where he was singing "Everyday People" with Sly and the Family Stone. If you haven't seen it, you are missing out.

spookyfish

robustpuppy 04-16-2003 02:36 PM

AI
 
Quote:

originally posted by paigowprincess I can remember one frat guy and I hooked up and he had this mix tape designed to put women in the mood and I think that song may have been on it (wow do I wish I had stolen that eighties piece of memoriabilia). . . I pray to god that I was smart enough not to bang this guy.
Was the tape called "Getting Over Tunage"? If so, I think you banged my college boyfriend's frat brother.

carp 04-16-2003 02:37 PM

I am a long-time listen err reader and have enjoyed the back and forth regarding the varying musical tastes amongst the regulars. I find it odd, however, that NOBODY HAS SAID DIDDLEY ABOUT ZEPPLIN (and don't say they are overrated because that just won't fly).

taxwonk 04-16-2003 02:37 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
But, I was listening to the same stuff you just listed, and I was listening to it on the radio. Was it just that, if you couldn't spell "FM", you were toast?
Yes. AM was the nasty. All the good music was being played on FM. Surely you remember? Or were you senile back then, too?

taxwonk 04-16-2003 02:39 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Actually, I think Who's Next is terribly overrated.

Next Guess!
I'm thinking you're talking about Sticky Fingers. Which still carries in its grooves the all-time greatest sax break in rock n' roll.

Pretty Little Flower 04-16-2003 02:40 PM

Atomic Jones
 
spooky: Tom Jones is sort of "kitschy-cool".

He was sort of kitschy-cool about eight years ago. Now he is back to just being Tom Jones, which is cool without all the hipster drama associated with it.

It looks like I am going to have to jump on the Seb bandwagon again - I respect Steely Dan as musicians, but cannot listen to their music. It is possible that, a-la-Slave, if I gave them a fresh listen, I would be converted. I might even buy the EvenOdds I-cannot-appreciate-their-music-only-because-it-has-been-coopted theory. Maybe. But it does nothing for me. I have tried to listen to the earnest arguments about how subversive they are musically and lyrically, how they are phenomenal musicians, etc., etc. Nothing. I suppose that, as with the Clash, I am a heretic here.

I think nobody de-bunked the early-70s-sucked myth as well as Ollie and his list of classics. I love you like a brother. Don't run from the Stones' greatness.

Coolest trend-of-the-moment childhood award goes to . . . Slave! I would be proud to have a resume like that.

taxwonk 04-16-2003 02:42 PM

AI
 
Quote:

Originally posted by evenodds
You know who is severely underrated from the 70s - - Little Feat.

That was a great band and I still love the old pre-77 albums and anything Lowell George ever did.

E/O
Their double live set with Tower of Power backing them on the horns is one of the all-time laminated top ten albums.

Tax(will you be my Dixie Chicken?)wonk

SlaveNoMore 04-16-2003 02:44 PM

Out on the Tiles
 
Quote:

carp
I am a long-time listen err reader and have enjoyed the back and forth regarding the varying musical tastes amongst the regulars. I find it odd, however, that NOBODY HAS SAID DIDDLEY ABOUT ZEPPLIN (and don't say they are overrated because that just won't fly).
You do mean Led Zeppelin, don't you?

As for that, "How the West was Won" - the new 3CD live, unreleased stuff comes out next month, as well as the DVD set of live performances.

not7y(all you got to give to me-eee, is all your lo-o-ve[Dadadada dadadada daDun daDun daDun daDun] ooh yeah ooh yeaaaahhh)S

robustpuppy 04-16-2003 02:49 PM

Out on the Tiles
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
You do mean Led Zeppelin, don't you?

As for that, "How the West was Won" - the new 3CD live, unreleased stuff comes out next month, as well as the DVD set of live performances.

not7y(all you got to give to me-eee, is all your lo-o-ve[Dadadada dadadada daDun daDun daDun daDun] ooh yeah ooh yeaaaahhh)S
What I really like about Led Zeppelin is their gift for understatement. I am fascinated by the oblique references to sex. You really have to parse the lyrics to figure out the sexual acts to which the songs refer.

spookyfish 04-16-2003 02:50 PM

Atomic Jones
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower


Now he is back to just being Tom Jones, which is cool without all the hipster drama associated with it.
Sorry, dude, but a sixty-something who still wears leather pants and opened shirts while performing is nothing, if not kitschy.

spookyfish


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