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Adder 10-25-2017 04:31 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 510907)
So you’re saying the base wants nothing but to drag down others to its level?
No, it wants those who it believes to be below them to be below them. Approaching or surpassing them is what they care about. They're real, white Americans and America is for them, darnit.

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I’m assuming rational thought where I shouldn’t
That's part of the problem. The other part is they aren't irrational from their point of view, which is status-based.

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Don’t these entitled folks assert they’re not getting what they want, and demand they get it?
There was an interesting recent This American Life about Jason Kessler, Charlottesville "Unite the Right" organizer and the Proud Boys. Probably veered a bit too much into rituals and stated non-racist beliefs of that group, but the interview with Kessler was interesting. He didn't get a job, found out a woman did, and he, like the rest of them, was convinced that white men are the most oppressed people in America.

One way to look at this is that those people aren't getting what they want. Another is to understand that these people are morons who have zero understanding of oppression.

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I know exactly what he wants. To be adored, and to fatten pockets he thinks will repay the favor. Full stop.
Touche.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 10-25-2017 05:21 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 510904)
Everyone hates night school people.

GW was seen as the place for IP when I was there. And that was 95% based on night students, we all worked for the PTO or firms. GW was thinking about closing night school, because of US News & World Reports ranking. The average LSAT and GPA for night was lower than for day, and so we were holding them back. Meanwhile, its most visible program was IP, go figure.
All other things being equal, I will hire the guy wearing the Hermes tie.

Hank Chinaski 10-25-2017 05:22 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 510916)
All other things being equal, I will hire the guy wearing the Hermes tie.
That would not be an IP guy, unless, maybe trademark?

soup sandwich 10-25-2017 06:24 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 510904)
Everyone hates night school people.

GW was seen as the place for IP when I was there. And that was 95% based on night students, we all worked for the PTO or firms. GW was thinking about closing night school, because of US News & World Reports ranking. The average LSAT and GPA for night was lower than for day, and so we were holding them back. Meanwhile, its most visible program was IP, go figure.
I went to night school at Temple, and I could always justify the lower GPA of the night students: night school classes contain day students who have more time to study.

But there's no getting around the lower average LSAT score of the night students. The day program filled up more quickly so the students at the lower end of the "day acceptance range" got pushed to the night program, with the hope of eventually getting into the day program.

My small IP firm was filled with former night students who eventually got very pedigree conscious as the firm grew. In-house is much more law school-diverse.

When interviewing candidates for a patent position, I'm always biased toward the former night law students, unless they waited until after law school was over to get their patent reg. no. I hate that. Take the damn exam before starting LS or during your first summer. Sometimes there is a good reason for waiting, but generally I crucify them for that. Just not good planning.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-25-2017 06:42 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 510911)
Yes, the Sebbys of the world have been pretending to be Canadian for a very long time.
It is a beauty way to go.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-25-2017 06:48 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 510916)
All other things being equal, I will hire the guy wearing the Hermes tie.
I like the club tie and the firm handshake, a certain look in the eye and an easy smile.

Hank Chinaski 10-25-2017 09:44 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 510920)
I like the club tie and the firm handshake, a certain look in the eye and an easy smile.
Ties are one thing, but wtw, never trust a big butt and a smile.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 10-26-2017 12:55 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 510920)
I like the club tie and the firm handshake, a certain look in the eye and an easy smile.
https://horrorpediadotcom.files.word...pg?w=472&h=266

sebastian_dangerfield 10-26-2017 01:46 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 510922)
Does no one love Floyd’s “Sheep”? No one at all?

sebastian_dangerfield 10-26-2017 01:48 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 510921)
Ties are one thing, but wtw, never trust a big butt and a smile.
BBD. Nice.

I admit, #hadtogoogle

Tyrone Slothrop 10-26-2017 02:32 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Not politics, but surprised that the Yankees got to Game 7 of the ALCS and then fired Girardi.

LessinSF 10-26-2017 02:43 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Drunk doctor deposition - wait til he identifies himself for the record. https://youtu.be/rFIrB-fdkLA

Tyrone Slothrop 10-26-2017 04:11 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 510926)
Drunk doctor deposition - wait til he identifies himself for the record. https://youtu.be/rFIrB-fdkLA
If he was trying to avoid testifying at a trial, didn't he do a good job?

ThurgreedMarshall 10-26-2017 04:30 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 510925)
Not politics, but surprised that the Yankees got to Game 7 of the ALCS and then fired Girardi.
Not surprising. He tends to over-manage. And the mistake he made in game 2 of the division series was so fucking egregious and stupid that we made it to game 7 of the ALCS despite him.

That said, it wouldn't bother me if he stayed on. I think most people in NY reacted to the news with a shrug.

TM

Did you just call me Coltrane? 10-26-2017 05:15 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 510923)
Does no one love Floyd’s “Sheep”? No one at all?
Mother, do you think they'll drop the bomb?

Ooh, aah, mother, should I build the wall?

Mother, should I run for president?

Mother, should I trust the government?

Ooh, aah, is it just a waste of time?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-26-2017 05:41 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 510926)
Drunk doctor deposition - wait til he identifies himself for the record. https://youtu.be/rFIrB-fdkLA
He may be a lousy doctor, wretched husband, awful witness, frightening uber driver, and incompetent elevator operator, but I think we'd all be happy if he were made President tomorrow.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-27-2017 11:49 AM
Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
So is someone compiling a list of Bernie Bro reporters who turn out to be into serial sexual assault?

Who would have guessed?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-27-2017 12:02 PM
Re: All Hallow's Eve
 
I'm thinking of going as a Trump supporter for Halloween. I've got the tiki torch, but does anyone have a confederate flag I can borrow? Sebby?

Not Bob 10-27-2017 12:29 PM
Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 510941)
I'm thinking of going as a Trump supporter for Halloween. I've got the tiki torch, but does anyone have a confederate flag I can borrow? Sebby?
Come on, man. That kind of hyperbole is beneath you.

You can probably find more than a few within an hour’s drive from your office. Heck, take the T to Dorchester. I bet one of My People* has one in his front yard.

Alternatively, I’m headed to the Ancestral Homeland this weekend. I’ll let you know if I find one up there.

*A reference my AOH shanty-Irish Catholic background. I used it recently on Twitter when someone said that the Boston Irish Catholics that General Kelly grew up with were Not Racist. (Other than that whole busing thing in the 1970s, amirite?

Not Bob 10-27-2017 01:06 PM
Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 510940)
So is someone compiling a list of Bernie Bro reporters who turn out to be into serial sexual assault?

Who would have guessed?
Everywhere. An awful lot of men everywhere. We’re mostly hearing about the famous ones, as Annie Lowery notes.

I now accept that rape culture is a real thing.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-27-2017 01:07 PM
Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 510942)
Come on, man. That kind of hyperbole is beneath you.
I promise you, it is not.

Luckily I don't need to borrow Sebby's dockers and khakis for the outfit, I've got those covered.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-27-2017 01:56 PM
Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 510943)
Everywhere. An awful lot of men everywhere. We’re mostly hearing about the famous ones, as Annie Lowery notes.

I now accept that rape culture is a real thing.
In general, when these issues are discussed I think there is too much of a focus on the women (even when the focus is entirely sympathetic) and too little on the fact that men keep doing this stuff. I guess one thing I wonder is, how many men are the problem? 1% 10% 30% 50% Not sure how one could really tell, either.

sgtclub 10-27-2017 05:40 PM
Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 510945)
In general, when these issues are discussed I think there is too much of a focus on the women (even when the focus is entirely sympathetic) and too little on the fact that men keep doing this stuff. I guess one thing I wonder is, how many men are the problem? 1% 10% 30% 50% Not sure how one could really tell, either.
It depends on the degree. 1% for rape. 99% for the attitude in some form or another.

We had an interesting discussion about something related last night. The gist was that men are also the victims of sexual harassment, but that because of societal biases (what man would ever say no?) and the fact that the unspoken physical domination threat is not present (a guy doesn't really fear rape) it does not get the same attention. The wife did not believe that I or my buddy who was there could ever have had an unwanted advance, but both of us had.

Icky Thump 10-28-2017 10:43 AM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 510876)
Wow.

If the Dems don't win either the House or the Senate in 2018, I think this country (as we know it) is over.

TM
The decline started in 1981.

Icky Thump 10-28-2017 10:54 AM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 510882)
Usually it goes the other way. Black associates at large firms find themselves on the outside of the power pipeline (and the related social dynamic) and move (i) in-house, which (although not exactly where it should be) is light years ahead of law firms when it comes to diversity, especially big ones or (ii) to smaller firms with better records with diversity even though the paychecks are smaller.

What I don't understand is why firms don't raid law school night school programs. The people there are often diverse, have worked all their lives (including through school--and the class load is like 1 fewer per semester while the curriculum and professors are exactly the same), and would be completely loyal to any law firm that brought them in.

I had the opportunity to talk to Disney's GC about what I thought would be an innovative way to bring in more diversity to his outside counsel and mentioned this. Of course he said he was the product of a night school law school education and seemed like he thought it to be a good idea. I don't understand the stigma attached to it. But it's there. Can any of you who worked at a large firm (hell, or any firm) name one person who came from night school? This idea that the best talent comes from the most elite schools is a joke. Our firm's partnership adheres to this delusion and there are very few partners who went to elite schools! There is a real disconnect about how people process themselves versus everyone else.

TM
You and I went to the same school (though not knowingly at the same time). I went nights but managed to finish in 3 years by going summers. I was in a study group with an older black woman. She did very well. She went to a top biglaw firm. A few of the other people who went to night school -- at least started there -- went to biglaw firms.

The weirdest thing ever is when in some huge fucking case she and I were across the table from each other at a deposition. After that, she went in house.

Not really in touch with her anymore because I refuse to have anything to do with anything from law school because every god damned request they ever make is one that ends with a request for money.

Me, I got shit on by every biglaw law firm that interviewed at my school. Then I did an interview with a plaintiff's firm and I am imagining that was like coming out of the closet may be. You suddenly realize that something about what your were living was just wrong.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-28-2017 12:47 PM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 510938)
Mother, do you think they'll drop the bomb?

Ooh, aah, mother, should I build the wall?

Mother, should I run for president?

Mother, should I trust the government?

Ooh, aah, is it just a waste of time?
Winner/Winner/Chicken Dinner.

I salute you.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-28-2017 12:49 PM
Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 510944)
I promise you, it is not.

Luckily I don't need to borrow Sebby's dockers and khakis for the outfit, I've got those covered.
This a serious fucking question, and I want you to think long and hard before answering: Did you you just accuse me of owning Dockers?

sebastian_dangerfield 10-28-2017 12:50 PM
Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 510945)
In general, when these issues are discussed I think there is too much of a focus on the women (even when the focus is entirely sympathetic) and too little on the fact that men keep doing this stuff. I guess one thing I wonder is, how many men are the problem? 1% 10% 30% 50% Not sure how one could really tell, either.
37.4%. Next question?

sebastian_dangerfield 10-28-2017 01:05 PM
Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by sgtclub (Post 510971)
It depends on the degree. 1% for rape. 99% for the attitude in some form or another.

We had an interesting discussion about something related last night. The gist was that men are also the victims of sexual harassment, but that because of societal biases (what man would ever say no?) and the fact that the unspoken physical domination threat is not present (a guy doesn't really fear rape) it does not get the same attention. The wife did not believe that I or my buddy who was there could ever have had an unwanted advance, but both of us had.
Idk about you, but I doubt any guy here who's been hit on has felt harassed. From female bosses, co-workers, gay, straight, it's ego inflation. When guys do it to women, it's different. It's got more of a dominance and demeaning thing to it.

Men do, however, face a form of sexual discrimination from other men that's rarely discussed. I've seen insecure partners hate the shit out of younger associates with, how shall we say it... more native charisma, looks, and confidence. If you're a kid of even moderately attractive appearance and some personality, and you work for the wrong kinda-soft, insecure partner early in your career, or some older partner who's feeling his virility and power ebbing, you can get fucked over pretty hard. The fragility of the male ego can't be overstated.

Hank Chinaski 10-30-2017 10:03 AM
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So I don't know if Gurriel should be suspended, or just criticized. It was pretty awful, but I just don't know what has happened in the past. I don't mean when Jackie R broke in, I mean the last few years. I do know that suspending for a few of the first regular season games is silly, and actually a bit of an insult itself. "Yes, suspension is in order, but let's do a meaningless one?" This is not the NFL season.

Hank Chinaski 10-30-2017 10:16 AM
Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 510977)
Idk about you, but I doubt any guy here who's been hit on has felt harassed. From female bosses, co-workers, gay, straight, it's ego inflation. When guys do it to women, it's different. It's got more of a dominance and demeaning thing to it.
My last big law had an office in Peoria. I went there to do a seminar on IP. Stayed at the Pere Marquette Hotel! The morning of the seminar I went to run the treadmill, clear my head, rehearse my blabbing. The work out room was small and in the basement, secluded. While I'm on the treadmill a guy comes in. I later found out he was the bell hop, but he was not yet in his uniform.

He starts fidgeting around with stuff, and now I was getting nervous. And see all I wanted was a pleasant workout, to get ready for the seminar.

Then, "do you want your dick sucked?"

Okay, now I'm completely thrown off what I'm trying to get ready for. Completely derailed me. And plus, we are in the small very remote space. If he knocked me out, or stabbed me or whatever, it might be a long while before anyone found me. Did not inflate my ego.

ThurgreedMarshall 10-30-2017 11:17 AM
Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 510978)
So I don't know if Gurriel should be suspended, or just criticized. It was pretty awful, but I just don't know what has happened in the past. I don't mean when Jackie R broke in, I mean the last few years. I do know that suspending for a few of the first regular season games is silly, and actually a bit of an insult itself. "Yes, suspension is in order, but let's do a meaningless one?" This is not the NFL season.
What a completely spineless, bullshit response by MLB. It's exactly why things don't change. They should have taken a stand and benched his ass in the Series.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 10-30-2017 11:18 AM
Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 510979)
My last big law had an office in Peoria. I went there to do a seminar on IP. Stayed at the Pere Marquette Hotel! The morning of the seminar I went to run the treadmill, clear my head, rehearse my blabbing. The work out room was small and in the basement, secluded. While I'm on the treadmill a guy comes in. I later found out he was the bell hop, but he was not yet in his uniform.

He starts fidgeting around with stuff, and now I was getting nervous. And see all I wanted was a pleasant workout, to get ready for the seminar.

Then, "do you want your dick sucked?"

Okay, now I'm completely thrown off what I'm trying to get ready for. Completely derailed me. And plus, we are in the small very remote space. If he knocked me out, or stabbed me or whatever, it might be a long while before anyone found me. Did not inflate my ego.
But how was the blowjob?

TM

sebastian_dangerfield 10-30-2017 11:29 AM
Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 510981)
But how was the blowjob?

TM
Damn you! I was *this* close!

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-30-2017 11:34 AM
Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 510975)
This a serious fucking question, and I want you to think long and hard before answering: Did you you just accuse me of owning Dockers?
Your every post screams "wears dockers".

sebastian_dangerfield 10-30-2017 11:35 AM
Trump Campaign Moron of the Day
 
Meet George Papadopoulos, smoove operative and international man of mystery... undone by his Facebook page: http://www.businessinsider.com/who-i...ntacts-2017-10

sebastian_dangerfield 10-30-2017 11:38 AM
Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 510983)
Your every post screams "wears dockers".
I'd sacrifice a finger before I'd wear khaki pants and a golf shirt.

If you actually own a pair...

http://i.imgur.com/yotLNh3.jpg

sebastian_dangerfield 10-30-2017 11:39 AM
Re: Scarlett O’Hara’s father still smelled like the bog, and he owned slaves.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 510983)
Your every post screams "wears dockers".
I think you actually do wear them, with golf shirts, or blue oxfords.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-30-2017 11:40 AM
Re: Taibbi, Halperin
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 510977)
Idk about you, but I doubt any guy here who's been hit on has felt harassed. From female bosses, co-workers, gay, straight, it's ego inflation. When guys do it to women, it's different. It's got more of a dominance and demeaning thing to it.
I do think what guys do to women is different, because it's more tied up with the dominance, demeaning and power stuff, but it's still really not much of an ego boost to have your crotch grabbed by some gay old power broker when you're a young political operative, for example.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-30-2017 11:53 AM
Re: It's all about Hilary Clinton conspiring with the Russians
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 510986)
I think you actually do wear them, with golf shirts, or blue oxfords.
You do realize I don't watch Fox News?


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