Urgent RECALL!!
 

Oooh early morning physics fun. Lets see now.

As I type this I am watching Ahnold walk in a circle. Wasn't that a neat way of showing him growing up? Oh so clever? The walking in a circle?


Now if Ahnold was walking fast enough or perhaps running Ahnold would feel as if some force were working upon him, pushing him outward. However, the red bearded fellow who comes to buy Ahnold so he can learn to do what is quoted in Tyrone's sig line would not see this "force". This is because centrifugal force "exists" only in certain frames of reference (rotational but not inertial). What really is happening is the centripetel force is working on Ahnold but Ahnold, like all objects would like to go straight to the Governor's mansion.

Wow, we are to that scene right now! What is best in life ...(guy gives answer about wind blowing through hair and horses)WRONG To crush your enemies yadda yadda.

I never really was very good at explaining this. Oh well.




Edited to ask, what's a Weeblo?

Fucking telemarketers and Fucking Judges
 

I don't think it needs to extend that far as I think it is pretty clear that congress was showing preference for one message over another, so perhaps the fact that it expressed that preference in a limited grant of authority is irrelevant. But in truth, I haven't read the statute or even followed the issue very closely.

As a practical matter, however, I don't think it matters much whether this rule is struct down or not. I can't really see how it was going to be adequately enforced anyway.

Fucking telemarketers and Fucking Judges
 

Do you really think that will be the general response? I seems more likely that people would prefer to ban the political and charitable speech as well, thus avoiding the 1st Amendment issue. The question is whether the politicians will go for that.

Urgent RECALL!!
 

A Weeblo is between a cub scout and a boy scout. Sort of both, but I think technically still a cub scout. It's just one year, around 5th grade.

Urgent RECALL!!
 

To expand on leagl's explanation, it is a so-called "fictitious" force. Really another name for inertia. When the world moves around us, we seek to keep staying still. The real, true force is the force which compels us to move.

So leagl is exactly right in applying it to Ahnold. It also seems appropriate that you should point this out, Bilmore.

G(non-fictitious force)^3

Modigliani dies
 

R.I.P., you magnificient bastard!

Anti-telemarketing machines
 

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Mr. T's way ahead of you. I've heard him advertising one; I think it's the ScreenMachine. Friends can skip the prerecorded menu by pressing "5" immediately. Based on the advertisements, it sounds like 47 usc 227 implemented by 47 CFR § 64.1200 prohibits the telemarketers from dialing through.

Taking Addy's False Dilemma by the Horns
 

Originally posted by Adder

Don't be so simplistic. You could have multiple lists, one for quantititive studies, one for telemarketing, one for charitable/religious, &c, &c. As long as people can opt out of each list, it's content neutral, right?

post-bilmore physics
 

Originally posted by bilmore

Your seatbelt might disagree. When you round a curve, you exert centrifugal force on it, and it in turn, exerts centripetal force on you.

editted to add:

And, don't tell me about "fictitious" forces. No doubt, an old grappler like yourself has seen someone hit a killer three-point takedown. The mat hits back.

post-bilmore physics
 

I think you do confuse a force with inertia. If a tree falls in the woods and no one hears it, does the ground push back? I don't think so. If you go down that path, you end up with the "there's no such thing as a body at rest because there's always some moving frame of reference from which to observe it", and that leaves you with no solutions. And, of course, I never hit the mat.

Ooo, this was good.

Taking Addy's False Dilemma by the Horns
 

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing about 30 seconds after the post but didn't figure I should subject other people to addtional telemarketing post.

post-bilmore physics
 

Helping little playmore with the homework, are we?

If I may, you're ignoring Newton's 3rd Law, that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. If Bilmore hits the mat (say, because you had that last bottle of wine last night), Bilmore exerts a force against the mat and the mat must react in some way. The reactive force can take many forms. If the mat compacts on impact, the matter comprising the mat will likely then decompact some, pushing back Bilmore. That way, Bilmore will not just leave a large indent on the mat from the force of his fall.

I hope this helps little playmore.

Suckup.

But I'll be really impressed if Leagl can give us an Ahnuld example of reactive force.

G^3 (has the board been ceded to the nerds for the weekend?)

Lick my Decals Off. Baby
 

Not anymore, baybuh, because the Captain's back!!!

Gonna make sure you can see the difference between a Coke can and a Lobster carcass while I'm g-g-groovin' here in the bunkers.

It's gonna be a bumpy ride so grab your moccassins.

-the Captain

Urgent RECALL!!
 

I've read through some of the responses, and I think the following may help:

A list of definitions containing, inter alia, "centrifugal force", "inertia", and "fictitious force" is provided here:

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/glossary.htm

An example of proper usage of these terms is provided here:

http://www.bartleby.com/64/C004/015.html

The upshot: Centrifugal force, while not one of the four fundamental forces, is, nevertheless, an inertial force worthy of mention. See:

http://observe.arc.nasa.gov/nasa/spa...trifugal1.html

Pretermitted(so, have we broken the FB yet?)Child

Re: Tree falling in a forest (regardless of whether someone hears it or not): The moment the tree hits the ground, the ground pushes back with a force equal and opposite to it. (There may be some inelastic deformation, but my point is that the tree doesn't fall right through the ground to, say, the center of the earth or something.)

Urgent RECALL!!
 

Inelastic being a relative term, I believe, in the context of static and dynamic force analysis. The deformation being relatively inelastic.

Hell(dynamics? YUCK)0

Urgent RECALL!!
 

I sense some patent lawyers (who really know what they are talking about) starting to show up, Pretermitted and Hello. Am I right?

My spine just tingles when you guys start talking about inelastic deformation!

post-bilmore physics
 

I almost never asked my parents for help with homework -- especially physics. Not because I understood everything in class the first time, but because my parents almost always left me more confused afterwards.

Pretermitted(Actually, classical mechanics can get pretty hairy. Not to mention boring. That's why I majored in electrical engineering instead.)Child

Urgent RECALL!!
 

Nope, I am not a patent lawyer.

Pretermitted(But I am a geek. Patent lawyers do not have a monopoly on geeks.*)Child

* See also leagleaze.

Edited to fix grammar and to add footnote.

Urgent RECALL!!
 

The electrical engineering degree is enough to trump my geek credentials. At this moment (working on a fairly technical development agreement), I'm wishing I had one myself.

Geek Night
 

Since it is geek night on the FB, why don't I suggest a different quiz than the usual "What Bowie are You?" type. Has anyone done a Self Referential Aptitute Test before?

G^3( eeeek! )

More boring than telemarketers
 

Good God People!
It's come to physics has it?
Speaking of dynamic inelasticity, I'm reposting this because clearly some of you people need it, and there is also some physics involved in the elasticity of warm balloons between pillows.
Homemade sex toys

And you'll get to see the dildo art.

1. I hate the stomach flu. I hate it even more when you combine it with a chest cold. How miserable is that?

2. You had better not be calling me a patent lawyer.

3. I think it isn't quite right to call centrifugal force a fictitious force really, but ah well. People who have actually studied physics, unlike me, can debate that one. My physics knowledge is limited to Ahnuld movies.

4. If all things being equal Arianna were to punch Ahnuld in the nose, his nose would not break, but rather, would push back with an equal and opposite force, throwing Arianna across the room. Because Ahnuld defies the laws of physics everyone knows this.

5. First posting law of LawTalkers - posting a lame sex toy site twice doesn't make it twice as interesting.

6. Bilmore is not a suck up and I am honored that he enjoyed my Ahnuld explanation.

7. The judge who handed down the do not call decision has his office number on the do not call list. http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/....ap/index.html

8. What is this famous people dying week? Now Donald O'Connor has died. http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/Movi....ap/index.html

Fashions by The Great Cornholio
 

It looks like Beavis and Butthead is in syndication in, of all places, Burkina Faso:

http://www.unicef.org/sowc03/tables/index.html

T.P. for their bunghole is probably not at the top of their list of items to receive from relief workers.

post-bilmore physics
 

The little playmores ain't quite that old. Just fondly remembering the basics from one of the majors.

Once again, inertia is not a force, dictionary entries notwithstanding. The opposite reaction of Bilmore's opponent hitting the mat is a slight shift of the earth in the direction that Bilmore's opponent was traveling. And, while the mats were slightly elastic, Bilmore's opponents were not. Yay, Bilmore!

O'Connor was an underappreciated and underutilized talent. Aside from "Singin' in the Rain," in which he was quite good, he was, for the rest of his career, a poor man's Danny Kaye. Probably a victim of studio contract politics.

Mind you, "Singin' in the Rain" would be enough for any man's resume. A movie that pleases from start to finish.*

*Excluding the inexplicable interlude for the Gene Kelly trademark jazz ballet number. I guess the chicks dig 'em, 'cause I don't.

Singin (for too long) in the Rain
 

Let me start out by saying that Singin In The Rain is an all time undisputed classic movie of which I can't get enough. I wonder if it was the first movie to rip on the studio system, the star system, and divas. So brilliant in so many ways. Gene Kelly gives one of the most all around brilliant performances in movie history, Debbie Reynolds is gorgeous and sparklingly funny, the script is great, and Donald O'Connor is sublime throughout, not just the "Make 'em Laugh" scene.

However, I think the Broadway Melodies number, with the Syd Charise cameo, could have been cut down a bit.

post-bilmore physics
 

I hate to dignify this discussion with my own contribution, but that "slight shift" is, dare I say, illusory.

When Bilmore lifts Bilmore's opponent off the mat in the first place in preparation for the coup de grace, Bilmore would essentially push the Earth down and out of its orbit slightly in order to purchase the requisite potential energy to reside in Bilmore's opponent. At the moment Bilmore releases Bilmore's opponent into brief gravitational free fall, the Earth would be infinitesimally attracted by the mass of Bilmore's opponent (and vice versa, only less infinitesimally for Bilmore's opponent vis-a-vis the Earth, if you catch my drift, har har), and Bilmore's opponent and the mat would necessarily meet in the exact middle, cancelling action and reaction.

In short, the "slight shift of the earth" Bilmore's expecting is only in relation to where the Earth would be if Bilmore's opponent and the Earth could sustain permanent gravitational free fall toward each other. From a distant observer's frame of reference, Bilmore's opponent and the Earth would return to precisely the points in orbit that they were in when the whole enterprise started, accounting for the constant rotation and revolution of the Earth in the meantime.

Geek Love
 

[Great book, btw. Anyone else read it?]

It's Webelos, not Weeblos. Silly people.

Not that I agree with the current policies of the BSA, homophobic bastards.

tm

post-bilmore physics
 

As were ever the chances of my opponents.

Geek Love
 

Given that the last informative poster told us that the Webelos were in between the Cubs and the Boys, I doubt we can make such sweeping characterizations.

Geek Love
 

Not to mention the fact that he spelled it "Weeblo."

Edited to add: Apologies to diva if this was a whiff of her post. I'm still not sure.

Programming language inventor or Serial killer?
 

Online quiz: Programming language inventor, or serial killer? You have only the photo to guide you as to their dark intent.

Requires Java (of course).

I got 6/10, and was advised to avoid careers in either law enforcement or IT recruiting.

Programming language inventor or Serial killer?
 

I got a 6/10 as well, although I think my score was helped by the fact that I recognized the mug of one of the programming language inventors, whose class I took as an undergrad.

I'm surprised that they didn't include a picture of Richard Stallman (founder of the GNU project) -- but then again, he didn't actually invent a programming language.

Programming language inventor or Serial killer?
 

Ha! 8/10.

You need to follow your gut on these. If a mug strikes you as an antisocial, withdrawn, bleak loner, go with your first reaction. The others will be the serial killers.

post-bilmore physics
 

Originally posted by bilmore

Glad to hear you didn't hit the mat in frustration from being stuck. Poor losers suck.

post-bilmore physics
 

Ah! The simplicity of a world without entropy. The flaw in your analysis, your Waterloo here as it were, is your attempt to oversimply the problem to eliminate unknown variables. Here, you seem to assume Billmore and opponent as points of force application. Of course, Billmore would be applying these forces through his shoes, and the frictional losses here would vary dependant on his shoe selection that day. If this Paigow woman is correct, and Billmore is wearing white buck loafers, there would be a good deal of sliding. Also, the plaid polyester suit would restrict much of the presumed lifting, creating only more frictional losses. Much of the potential force reactions against the earth would instead manifest themselves in so much raising of dust, and wearing thin of the underarm areas in an otherwise still good jacket.

Geek Love
 

Blow me, Timmy.

Oh, wait. Now I see. Heh.

post-bilmore physics
 

Even Google wouldn't help him here unless he had 100+ hours to understand the additional forces. you start with two masses (Bilmore and his opponent) that independently exert gravitational (static?) forces at t=0, the force being dependent upon the relative location of the center of each mass and the mass itself.

Bilmore lifting his opponent allows the earth's materials, that formerly were deformed by the pressure applied by Bilmore's opponent, to undeform* in a sense. But Bilmore suddenly is applying some measure of the opponent's weight underneath his own (Bilmore's) feet when he lifts his opponent from the earth, causing (additional) deformation under Bilmore's own feet.

Furthermore, Bilmore's exertion of energy to lift his opponent, and presumably moving his opponent's center of mass farther away from the earth's center of mass, alters the earth's position relative to everything else, by changing the gravitational pull. Of course, that requires an understanding that we exert as much gravitational pull on the earth as it does on us at any one time.

It should be noted that energy has been "converted" in a sense by Bilmore's effort. He uses a few of his calories to lift something and next thing you know, the earth is off-kilter.

Furthermore, I note that the gravitational variations are almost insignificant. However, the relative deformations and undeformations, may be significant, depending on the earth's supporting material, Bilmore's mass, and Bilmore's opponent's mass.

And that is without even touching on the external frictional forces from movement.

That is all.

Hello

* If "undeform" is actually a word.

Yawn and Yea!
 

Physics?
Programming language inventors?

What in the hell is wrong with you people?!!!!!!!!

On a happier and more FB-related note, Roberto Heras has won the Vuelta a Espana after taking back a 1:55 on the penultimate stage -- a mountain time trial.

The Posties become the second team in twenty years to win two grand tours in the same year with two different captains.

Penske, name the other team and captains for extra points.

Yawn and Yea!
 

Ahh, the innocence of youth. Soon you'll know the wrath of the gravitational Gods and the demons of deformation stress. Be warned of the pull of the earth, for it has always affected your ability to be fashionable in ways that plastic surgery and hip-replacement procedures can't completely fix.

Be warned, ye of little faith. Be warned.

Hello