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robustpuppy 11-08-2005 08:33 PM

Birth Announcements
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
did I miss something?
Where's the sweater?!

Penske_Account 11-08-2005 09:46 PM

Birth Announcements
 
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
Where's the sweater?!

I gave you kidsvid tip. If you buy it and send it to me, I'll get it autographed for you.

Hank Chinaski 11-08-2005 10:04 PM

Birth Announcements
 
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
Where's the sweater?!
girl right? 10 fingers 10 toes? weight/height?

bold_n_brazen 11-08-2005 10:07 PM

Birth Announcements
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
girl right? 10 fingers 10 toes? weight/height?
Really, really beautiful.

Hank Chinaski 11-08-2005 10:19 PM

Birth Announcements
 
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Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
Really, really beautiful.
I'm making the kid a sweater, so I need to know sex and size.

edit: and a gentleman does not provide personal sentiments in a public forum. RP your pm box overflows.


TexLex 11-08-2005 10:39 PM

Newsflash
 
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Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
I hear the babies in the private schools did this months ago and are now working on advanced trig. I'm just saying.
That's cool. He sleeps in our bed half the time, so I'd actually prefer he not roll. I'm trying to figure out how to stabilize him. Weighting him down clearly doesn't work.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-08-2005 10:41 PM

Birth Announcements
 
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
Can anybody recommend a web site for quality birth announcements? I'm looking for a traditional paper announcement - not a photocard (I plan to enclose a photo in the envelope). My only misgiving about ordering on the internet is that I don't know what the paper quality will be like. But I obviously don't have the luxury of spending time in a paper shop, so if anyone out there has ordered from a site you liked, please pass it along.

Call Crane's in the Tyson's mall. Ask them to fax/email designs to you. You know the paper is good.

Secret_Agent_Man 11-09-2005 12:35 AM

Newsflash
 
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Originally posted by TexLex
That's cool. He sleeps in our bed half the time, so I'd actually prefer he not roll. I'm trying to figure out how to stabilize him. Weighting him down clearly doesn't work.
Wait'll he starts kicking with both feet at once. Surprising how hard someone who weighs 20 lbs can kick you in the kidneys.

S_A_M

dtb 11-09-2005 09:45 AM

Newsflash
 
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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Wait'll he starts kicking with both feet at once. Surprising how hard someone who weighs 20 lbs can kick you in the kidneys.

S_A_M

Their aim is amazing, no?

Secret_Agent_Man 11-09-2005 10:31 AM

Newsflash
 
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Originally posted by dtb
Their aim is amazing, no?
That, or, as we get older we become weak and vulnerable everywhere.

S_A_M

dtb 11-09-2005 10:58 AM

Newsflash
 
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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
That, or, as we get older we become weak and vulnerable everywhere.

S_A_M
I don't know about you, but I, for one, am not getting older. In fact, I'm getting younger!

taxwonk 11-09-2005 11:12 AM

Birth Announcements
 
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
Can anybody recommend a web site for quality birth announcements? I'm looking for a traditional paper announcement - not a photocard (I plan to enclose a photo in the envelope). My only misgiving about ordering on the internet is that I don't know what the paper quality will be like. But I obviously don't have the luxury of spending time in a paper shop, so if anyone out there has ordered from a site you liked, please pass it along.
You can't go wrong with a classic. Here's a link to Crane & Co.

robustpuppy 11-09-2005 12:00 PM

Newsflash
 
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Originally posted by dtb
Their aim is amazing, no?
Mine goes right for the incision. But the little feet are so sweet that it doesn't hurt ... really!!!

robustpuppy 11-09-2005 12:03 PM

Birth Announcements
 
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Originally posted by taxwonk
You can't go wrong with a classic. Here's a link to Crane & Co.
Why didn't I think of that? It's not as if I haven't ordered stuff from Crane's for myself. Anyway, thanks to you and Burger.

Does this to happen to anyone else -- that sometimes you get so hooked on internet shopping and doing a google search for a product that you lose sight of one of the first brick and mortar places you would go to?

Replaced_Texan 11-09-2005 01:13 PM

2 things
 
1.) Time for the control small children in public places discussion again. This time via the New York Times.

2.) Any tips for someone who is dating someone with small children? Suggestions from step-parents or their spouses, or just anyone who has dated MILFs and/or FILFs would be welcome. I don't have kids of my own (unless the dogs count) and it's been awhile since I was regularly babysitting.

mommylawyer 11-09-2005 02:20 PM

2 things
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
1.) Time for the control small children in public places discussion again. This time via the New York Times.

2.) Any tips for someone who is dating someone with small children? Suggestions from step-parents or their spouses, or just anyone who has dated MILFs and/or FILFs would be welcome. I don't have kids of my own (unless the dogs count) and it's been awhile since I was regularly babysitting.

Before I opted out of dating folks with children ... anyway, my tips are as follows....

1. just try to be an adult friend but without any pressure...kids are fickle, some days you are the best...some days the worst thing on earth...don't take it personally either day

2. Kids are very literal so say what you mean and mean what you say...don't say you like pro wrestling and then not want to spend a WHOLE saturday watching it...or going in person....etc...

3. don't forget their kid...so if they react to you strangely...well ask if its a strange reaction for a kid, or strange for an adult....

thats they beauty of kids...when they act like a kid, its because they are supposed to...unlike the client who is 45 but acts 7.....

ml

mommylawyer 11-09-2005 02:25 PM

Newsflash
 
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Originally posted by TexLex
That's cool. He sleeps in our bed half the time, so I'd actually prefer he not roll. I'm trying to figure out how to stabilize him. Weighting him down clearly doesn't work.
we used something like this when ours were wee and still slept with us (1st 3 mos)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...=glance&s=baby

this one is cool too, but you'd have to have a king or cal-king for it

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...=glance&s=baby



ml

Hank Chinaski 11-09-2005 02:28 PM

2 things
 
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Originally posted by mommylawyer


thats they beauty of kids...when they act like a kid, its because they are supposed to...unlike the client who is 45 but acts 7.....

ml
Point of the Year. RT deals with Penske every day and he acts like a 4 year old*. Just think of how you deal with Penske, but with the possibility that he will grow to be more mature.

Clarifying note- I have no idea how old the children RT may be spending time with may be, and as such this is intended in no way to be an outing reference.

TexLex 11-09-2005 02:30 PM

Newsflash
 
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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Wait'll he starts kicking with both feet at once. Surprising how hard someone who weighs 20 lbs can kick you in the kidneys.
Kidneys not so much. Boobies yes. Full boobies. Ouch. He mostly sleeps in his bassinet at night, but is over the weight limit already (about 20lbs at 4mos) and #1 is still in the crib and LOVES his crib. I'm waiting for a neighbor to get her twins out of their cribs next month to buy one of her cribs for #2 - it seems ridiculous to buy a new one for maybe 6mos of use. We have the toddler bed set up for #2, but he shows absolutely no interest in it and, frankly, I prefer them caged at night.

TexLex 11-09-2005 02:35 PM

2 things
 
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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
...it's been awhile since I was regularly babysitting.
I will lend you one to practice with. I trust you.

Sparklehorse 11-09-2005 02:42 PM

Family Bed
 
Quote:

Originally posted by TexLex
That's cool. He sleeps in our bed half the time, so I'd actually prefer he not roll. I'm trying to figure out how to stabilize him. Weighting him down clearly doesn't work.
What is the current thinking about having a child sleep in the same bed as the parent(s)? Does this size of the bed matter? What about the size of the people in said bed? Is the concern SIDS or smothering?

taxwonk 11-09-2005 02:51 PM

Family Bed
 
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Originally posted by Sparklehorse
What is the current thinking about having a child sleep in the same bed as the parent(s)? Does this size of the bed matter? What about the size of the people in said bed? Is the concern SIDS or smothering?
Both the Monster and the Princess did in their respective times. I can't scientifically prove any connection, but if I was as self-confident and secure as either one of them, I'd have real friends to talk to and wouldn't need to spend so much time on chat boards.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-09-2005 02:54 PM

Family Bed
 
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Originally posted by Sparklehorse
Is the concern SIDS or smothering?
drunk fatties rolling over and crushing the younguns.

nononono 11-09-2005 02:54 PM

Family Bed
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sparklehorse
What is the current thinking about having a child sleep in the same bed as the parent(s)? Does this size of the bed matter? What about the size of the people in said bed? Is the concern SIDS or smothering?
People who are against it are concerned about he kid getting rolled over on, or sleeping on softer bedding than cribs have, or getting caught in blankets; other arguments include not getting the child impossible to get out of the bed when you are ready.

Proponents say it's extremely rare for kids to get squished this way (by extended cab red pickups is another matter, apparently) unless alcohol/drugs are involved (bigger issue), there are protective barriers to use if you want, it promotes bonding, it may be easier on the mother in terms of not having to get up to feed the baby.

I was adamantly against it with my first, which was dumb because she never slept more than an hour or so in the early months and took at least an hour to get back to sleep each time she woke. She was in a bassinet then moved to crib in next room. With the next one, who started out as a more regular predictable sleeper, I gave in early and had her sleep next to me. It wasn't much more restful, but enough. Getting her into the crib at 4 months was a challenge,but it went smoothly enough.

Penske_Account 11-09-2005 02:58 PM

2 things
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Point of the Year. RT deals with Penske every day and he acts like a 4 year old*. Just think of how you deal with Penske, but with the possibility that he will grow to be more mature.

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2. This is just like dealing with an adult dog. They get to the emotional maturity level of a 3 yo and top out. No reasoning with them from there. Sit. Stay. Heel. A minute maybe and then its right back to the transgressive behaviour.

Maybe a pinch collar?

Nut Penske 11-09-2005 03:06 PM

2 things
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
2. This is just like dealing with an adult dog. They get to the emotional maturity level of a 3 yo and top out. No reasoning with them from there. Sit. Stay. Heel. A minute maybe and then its right back to the transgressive behaviour.

Maybe a pinch collar?
Heel, boy. Heel.




OK,





Now roll over and play dead.

TexLex 11-09-2005 03:17 PM

Family Bed
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sparklehorse
What is the current thinking about having a child sleep in the same bed as the parent(s)?
Ours doesn't usually sleep with us anymore, though some nights he stays with us for the last leg of sleep (6am-8am) and I occasionally nap with him. He slept with us much more often the 1st 2 months. We have a King bed, smaller and it wouldn't work for us - I need room to stretch. Also, no way could the kid sleep between us, my husband would crush him - he's a heavy sleeper and he's even rolled on me without noticing. So, I scootch way over on hubby's side and the baby sleeps between me and the edge, but far enough from the edge that he couldn't roll off, even if he rolled over (he can't do B to F yet anyway, only F to B).

Caveat - no way would I have him in bed if I was a heavy sleeper, he was a preemie or had poor muscle control, or we smoked.

See also:

AAP Recommends Breastfed Babies Sleep in Parents’ Bedroom

Dr. Sears speaks out against new AAP policy on co-sleeping

Hank Chinaski 11-09-2005 03:37 PM

2 things
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
2. This is just like dealing with an adult dog. They get to the emotional maturity level of a 3 yo and top out. No reasoning with them from there. Sit. Stay. Heel. A minute maybe and then its right back to the transgressive behaviour.

Maybe a pinch collar?
once they're older you probably need to neuter them, unless you wanna breed them someday.

Penske_Account 11-09-2005 03:45 PM

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Originally posted by Nut Penske
Heel, boy. Heel.




OK,





Now roll over and play dead.
Is this a threat? Harassment is a violation of the ToS.

Penske_Account 11-09-2005 03:48 PM

2 things
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
once they're older you probably need to neuter them, unless you wanna breed them someday.
Your wife asked me not to have the operation. She likes to live on the edge.

Nut Penske 11-09-2005 03:56 PM

2 things
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Is this a threat? Harassment is a violation of the ToS.
You mean like posting copyrighted material?

No, it's not a threat.

Sit boy, sit.

Hank Chinaski 11-09-2005 04:07 PM

2 things
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Your wife asked me not to have the operation. She likes to live on the edge.
By the way, to all the Dads, once you've had all the kids you want the wife may start in about you needing to get cut. I can give you the name of a Doc to consult who will say its too dangerous for the benefits. That way you can keep your options open.

robustpuppy 11-09-2005 05:19 PM

Family Bed
 
Quote:

Originally posted by TexLex
Ours doesn't usually sleep with us anymore, though some nights he stays with us for the last leg of sleep (6am-8am) and I occasionally nap with him. He slept with us much more often the 1st 2 months. We have a King bed, smaller and it wouldn't work for us - I need room to stretch. Also, no way could the kid sleep between us, my husband would crush him - he's a heavy sleeper and he's even rolled on me without noticing. So, I scootch way over on hubby's side and the baby sleeps between me and the edge, but far enough from the edge that he couldn't roll off, even if he rolled over (he can't do B to F yet anyway, only F to B).

Caveat - no way would I have him in bed if I was a heavy sleeper, he was a preemie or had poor muscle control, or we smoked.

See also:

AAP Recommends Breastfed Babies Sleep in Parents’ Bedroom

Dr. Sears speaks out against new AAP policy on co-sleeping
Same here. Both light sleepers, king bed, good-sized strong baby, no smoking, and wouldn't do it if we had had something to drink that night. I have baby between me and the edge of the bed only because my husband sometimes jerks his arms in his sleep, and would be devastated if he hit baby involuntarily, even if baby weren't hurt. I've also got one of those bedside co-sleepers right next to the bed, so on the chance baby rolled off (nearly impossible, as I have my arm around baby and amazingly, I don't move when we're set up like that, despite having been a very restless sleeper before) it wouldn't be a fall.

I read the warnings against it and I had my concerns at first, but it went so well in the hospital -- and it made me, and I think baby, really, really happy (I don't know if I've ever been more content as I am when this child is nestled next to me).

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-09-2005 06:17 PM

Family Bed
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
(I don't know if I've ever been more content as I am when this child is nestled next to me).
Bookmark this post for quick reference when you catch your husband getting blown by some skank in a public restroom.

Penske_Account 11-09-2005 06:47 PM

2 things
 
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Originally posted by Nut Penske
You mean like posting copyrighted material?

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What type of slanderous allegation is this? Hank, is that you?

Penske_Account 11-09-2005 06:51 PM

2 things
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
By the way, to all the Dads, once you've had all the kids you want the wife may start in about you needing to get cut. I can give you the name of a Doc to consult who will say its too dangerous for the benefits. That way you can keep your options open.

Wow, another festivus miracle. I agree. this came up once with the mother of my youngest child. I said no way, I am keeping my options open for my third wife. And fourth wife. Or any interested lovers in between or concurrently.

Plus the occasionaly stud fee for lesbian couples.

Penske_Account 11-09-2005 06:56 PM

Family Bed
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Same here. Both light sleepers, king bed, good-sized strong baby, no smoking, and wouldn't do it if we had had something to drink that night. I have baby between me and the edge of the bed only because my husband sometimes jerks his arms in his sleep, and would be devastated if he hit baby involuntarily, even if baby weren't hurt. I've also got one of those bedside co-sleepers right next to the bed, so on the chance baby rolled off (nearly impossible, as I have my arm around baby and amazingly, I don't move when we're set up like that, despite having been a very restless sleeper before) it wouldn't be a fall.

I read the warnings against it and I had my concerns at first, but it went so well in the hospital -- and it made me, and I think baby, really, really happy (I don't know if I've ever been more content as I am when this child is nestled next to me).
[serious answer] One thing that is not so obvious with the first, but becomes more clear with subsequent kids.....they are hard to break if you are marginally careful and attentive.
[/serious answer]

Nut Penske 11-09-2005 07:15 PM

2 things
 
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Originally posted by Penske_Account
What type of slanderous allegation is this?
The kind that is a question.

Quote:

Hank, is that you?
No. But have you seen my wife?

Sparklehorse 11-09-2005 11:53 PM

Family Bed
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sparklehorse
What is the current thinking about having a child sleep in the same bed as the parent(s)? Does this size of the bed matter? What about the size of the people in said bed? Is the concern SIDS or smothering?
Thanks for all the comments, they are helpful for me. FWIW, it relates to one of my cases. So-called experts were spouting off about it being inherently dangerous and bad (and evil and...). I thought it was bullshit to say automatically that a parent is bad to sleep with, in this case, an 11-month old kid.

Secret_Agent_Man 11-10-2005 11:14 AM

2 things
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
2.) Any tips for someone who is dating someone with small children? Suggestions from step-parents or their spouses, or just anyone who has dated MILFs and/or FILFs would be welcome. I don't have kids of my own (unless the dogs count) and it's been awhile since I was regularly babysitting.
(1) Anyone who would boycott a coffee shop for posting that sign is way too full of themselves. We have two small ones, the preschooler generally behaves well when we're out (because we taught her to), and we leave, etc., to try to avoid bothering folks if needed.

You have to monitor your kids at all times in public, and yes, sweetie if you bring two little kids to Starbucks you don't get to lounge and read your paper while they do as they please. Being a parent with kids in attendance means that you don't necessarily get to enjoy your time in the shop.

(2) I don't meet any of those categories, but I'd say:

(a) support the parent;
(b) be nice, friendly, kind and nuturing as would any adult friend of the children;
(c) set limits as appropriate in your space (preferably in conjunction with parent), but
(d) don't try too hard, and don't try to step into a real authority figure kind of role unless the parent has formally "left you in charge"

S_A_M


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