Re: Warren
 

Me. McCain had my vote until he chose Palin. I think she is awful.

I voted for Hillary in the 2008 primary, and went with Obama in the general.

My presidential votes:
88 Bush
92 Clinton
96 Clinton
00 Gore (McCain would have had my vote if he had gotten the nomination)
04 Kerry (if no Iraq war I'd have voted Bush, not a Kerry fan)
08 Obama
12 Romney
16 Hillary
20 The dem nominee

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

But the President is chosen by electors and the process for choosing the electors is generally left to the states. Electors have at times been chosen by state legislatures instead of by popular vote, and different states have set different qualifications for voting in Presidential elections.

Now, maybe there's an argument the 14th amendment changes some of that, is that where you are going?

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

But they can charge you a higher fee than Illinois?

California isn't changing the actual text of the Constitution (as you have in your example). But it seems to me there are already different hurdles for different states in order to qualify.

TM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

I considered reading about CA's action there. Then that exact thought hit me and I surfed to some story about the best celebrity bikini bodies over 40.

Trump shouldn't challenge that law. He should let it stand. It gives him another saucy story about "crazy libs" with which to gin up votes.

Never underestimate the "I fear Trump, but I fear his craziest enemies more" vote. CA isn't doing anyone any favors there, except to the extent it emboldens a Blue Wall state to follow suit.

Re: The best thing about losing weight
 

Howard should be podcasted into segments so you can listen to the interviews, phony phone calls, and whack pack gags, and avoid all the dreck between cast members.

"Ass treaks" was funny for a few weeks, but other than that, Ronnie Brings Nothing.

And Bobo is the worst. Why does he allow that bore to take up so much time? Also, Jeff the Drunk sucks.

More Medicated Pete. I can never get enough Medicated Pete.

Re: The best thing about losing weight
 

Dissent. On Sirius, my choices are:

BBC (30% Trump stories)
Bloomberg (40% Trump stories)
Trump News
Trump News
Trump Gossip
Trump Opinion (pro)
Trump Opinion (anti)
Trump Conspiracies
Trump News Flashback
Trump Market Impact Predictions
Trump, and,
Trump Kid News

Howard is the only place you can avoid it.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

I've stayed quiet on the subject because I sort of sympathize with the dude. We've had about as many show up more or less in the front yard on more than one occasion. My brother and I counted 27 crossing the road in front of us a few weeks back. Most were pretty young.

Somehow, though, we've all managed to co-exist without the need for an arsenal.

The high tech traps someone set up doesn't seem to work.

Re: Warren
 

He also has to do something about those liver spots on his dome. Ewww. I don't want to see that.

Wear a hat. Maybe nice fedora. He's old enough to pull it off. Or one of those summer wool hats hipsters like so much.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

If someone needs a machine gun to protect them from roving packs of feral pigs, they live in the wrong place.

TM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

At first I thought feral pigs was a euphemism for Republicans.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

2. Especially if your kids are playing in the yard among the pigs. Machine gun is not the right tool there. Baseball bat with nails maybe.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

At the ranch or in Houston?

Re: The best thing about losing weight
 

I used to be an avid Howard listener but he has gotten rich and shitty such that he has no idea or inkling how to create good entertainment anymore. No one wants to hear Bobo, Ronnie getting dildoes up his ass, Howard saying he jerked off -- every day. He is no longer into the show and it shows.

Re: The best thing about losing weight
 

Hmm, disagree, the staff stuff is often contrived, and the wack pack stuff largely played, but the Robin/Howard interaction is always great, as Is news. And interviews? Bagel Boss guy was great.

And do not try to tell us you haven’t thought of Real Dolls.

Re: The best thing about losing weight
 

He's not the Howard of the 90s. But I like that he's grown into a serious interviewer. He gets info other formats and hosts could never elicit. It's different, but kind of... better.

He is a rich lazy fuck in all other aspects of the show, true. But he has to satisfy the audience that actually likes Ronnie, and fights with Gary. A lot of freaks still dig that shit.

I forgot to give props to the News. I still love that segment. Robin guides Howard and pulls the best jokes from him there in much the same way he pulls the best stuff from his fancy guests. She brings him back to reality (oddly, as both are now absurdly rich... one of Robin's places was in one of my wife's Architectural Digests a few years back). And Fred perfects it with the sound effects. That South American funeral dirge or whatever it is he plays when Robin gets serious never fails, and I even found the wind chimes funny.

Re: The best thing about losing weight
 

Wack pack still works. Bigfoot embedded was so disgusting I could not stop listening. The french fries in the middle of the floor and blowing the mailman, casually dropped, were excellent bits. It's too fucked up to be contrived.

Medicated Pete calling the piano tuner is my all time favorite. I don't know why, but I love that guy.

And... Swap Shop. I could do hours on end of that.

ETA: High Pitch Erik is a bit played out. And fifteen minute laments on the passing of Eric the Actor are beyond painful.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

I'm not seeing why that matters. The Constitution leaves the selection of electors and qualifications for voting to the states. But it sets requirements for who can be President.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Sorry, not following your point here.

California is adding a requirement that isn't in the Constitution. Since the Constitution sets requirements, I don't think states are free to add to them.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Have you seen the exchange between Tribe and Lessig on this? Lessig's view is it is unconstitutional, Tribe's view is that it is constitutional.

Of course, Tribe is a star constitutional lawyer with over thirty appearances before the supreme court and a dozen well-regarded treatises, while Lessig... tweets alot.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

https://ballotpedia.org/U.S._Term_Li...c._v._Thornton So you're on justice Thomas's side?

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Or, you could read the Complaint. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/23/trum...x-returns.html

LessinSanIgnacio, Belize

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

On a politics chatting board where all the socks were complaining about gerrymandering cuz so many state legislatures are R dominated, it seems a bit short sighted to cheer a world where Cali does something to fuck with Trump.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

At the ranch. It's a pretty big problem in the state, and as usual, idiots are to blame for the whole damned thing.

I'm sure there are entire academic departments at Texas A&M trying to figure out how to get rid of them. One novel idea made it through the legislature a few sessions back, and I swear I'm not making this up: Pork Chopping.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Yes you are.

If California can require a fee that is higher than Illinois' to be put on a ballot, that is a requirement that isn't in the Constitution. Not only that, but it is a rule that isn't consistently applied across states.

If California can require that you obtain a certain number of signatures before you're allowed to be put on the ballot, that is a requirement that isn't in the Constitution.

If California requires that anyone who wants to run for office provide their tax returns, that may be a requirement that isn't in the Constitution (like the others I just listed), but it doesn't prevent anyone from running. Hell, I would argue the other two examples are more restrictive.

TM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Oh, right. Like Republicans won't violate whatever the fuck they want and spit in the face of the Constitution otherwise in order to maintain power.

GTFOH.

TM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Arizona legislature apparently passed a bill that to be on the ballot a candidate had to produce a US birth certificate- guess which year this was? The governor vetoed it, so yes R's will try to screw with the D candidate, but that's my point. I would suggest every D (and everyone who wants the country to not be even more fucked) would want the Cali law to be unconstitutional, cuz if it is fine, then the nonsense Rs come up with will also be fine.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

the restrictive thing does make sense. The SCt case I cited was throwing out something way more restrictive (term limits). I guess we will see.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

That's a different complaint.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

I've only been weighing in on constitutionality of California's action.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

The Rs are coming up with lots of nonsense. The biggest issue in California's case is just this, that the Supreme's decide to use the California case to establish law that lets Georgia or North Carolina do some really nasty shit. And those states are becoming a bluer shade of purple.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

The idea that Republicans will act rationally because Democrats act rationally is fucking ridiculous.

TM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

I'm saying if Cali proves it IS constitutional, then there will be no stopping the R legislatures. The Court is really the only place to stop them, and if Cali can ask for tax returns, then Arizona can ask for, say, 23 and me results to be on the ballot (so we know how much Native American Warren is). BUT IF Cali is found to have exceeded the constitution then one can expect a challenge to the next hair brained R scheme would also knock the scheme out. I'm not saying the R will act rationally; to the contrary, and the Court is about the only hope.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

First, asking for tax returns doesn't restrict anyone from running. It's a hurdle, not a bar, in the same way getting signatures is a hurdle. Every American citizen can produce their tax returns.

If you want to argue that states will begin requiring birth certificates, that point is taken. Hell, I would argue that such a requirement is actually consistent with the Constitutional requirements. But demanding 23 and Me results is not in line with the Constitution and, in fact, sits in direct opposition.

TM

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

I was being facetious as to 23 and Me. But you shouldn’t start evaluating restrictions or barriers. maybe the Court will with thx returns, but I think it a mistake. The signatures and fees you mention earlier are a way of trying to have a ballot with a reasonable number of candidates, which probably does violate something, but if all one had to do was ask to be on a ballot that would be one long list.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Sure there will be stopping the other legislatures. But they will be stopped two or three steps further than California.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

Truer words were never spoken.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

I have not seen their exchange. I would like to. eta: Very interesting.

I would not argue about constitutional law with Lessig. He is one the smartest people I have ever met.

As I tried to suggest with my original post, I'm inclined to think Trump's position is right, but I'm not certain of it. I'd like to see the good arguments on the other side. Just telling me that Tribe sees it one way and Lessig sees it another only suggests to me that it's a hard question.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

No, I really wasn't, but now I see.

I think there's a real difference between the process requirements to get on the ballot -- filing fees, number of signatures -- and a requirement that goes to the substance of how citizens make the decision about whom to vote for. No one thinks that the filing fee or signatures are going to be material to a voter's decision. The point of the tax-return requirement is precisely that California thinks it should be material to a voter's decision about whom to elect. And the Constitution does not say that.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

That's interesting and harder, because the Constitution does require the President to be a naturally born citizen.

Re: Doesn’t Matter Who Wins the K Race; We’re All the Same
 

I’ll allow this, but only because of the “one of” qualifier.

And I will note that one can only evaluate intelligence from above. If you are of lesser intelligence you can only say “him smart.” Are you implying you are smarter than this person? Because if so he is definitely not the smartest you’ve met AND I am most certainly qualified to make that statement.