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sebastian_dangerfield 01-21-2010 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 413629)
All hail mediocrity! You must really like Martha Coakley.

On behalf of mediocrity, Take that back.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-21-2010 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 413693)
Jesuit school. As a 'rich' person, I resent being branded prole, you know.

I'm with Sidd. My child will never see the inside of any high school affiliated with a church.

I thought you had a thing for the catholic school girl uniform. Maybe that was spanky.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-21-2010 07:37 PM

paging Spanky
 
Gideon Rachman:

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The reason that the Google case is so significant is because it suggests that the assumptions on which US policy to China have been based since the Tiananmen massacre of 1989 could be plain wrong. The US has accepted – even welcomed – China’s emergence as a giant economic power because American policymakers convinced themselves that economic opening would lead to political liberalisation in China.

If that assumption changes, American policy towards China could change with it. Welcoming the rise of a giant Asian economy that is also turning into a liberal democracy is one thing. Sponsoring the rise of a Leninist one-party state, that is America’s only plausible geopolitical rival, is a different proposition. Combine this political disillusionment with double-digit unemployment in the US that is widely blamed on Chinese currency manipulation, and you have the formula for an anti-China backlash.

Both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush firmly believed that free trade and, in particular, the information age would make political change in China irresistible. On a visit to China in 1998, Mr Clinton proclaimed: “In this global information age, when economic success is built on ideas, personal freedom is essential to the greatness of any nation.” A year later, Mr Bush made a similar point: “Economic freedom creates habits of liberty. And habits of liberty create expectations of democracy ... Trade freely with the Chinese and time is on our side.”...

So far, the facts are refusing to conform to the theory...

Atticus Grinch 01-21-2010 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 413695)
We're a near entirely commercialized society. Can you blame parents who've been conditioned so for behaving like the teacher's a commodity?

Blame them? No, I agree that's a waste of outrage. What I want for them is to chill the fuck out. There's a persistent belief that your Precious Little Snowflake is either being perfected by each new experience, or damaged. Everything about childhood is now high-stakes -- which is funny, because at the same time parents are gripped with fear that their children are being fed a crap public education, AT THE EXACT FUCKING SAME TIME, they are active or complicit in feeding them a crap diet of culture and a crap diet of ACTUAL FOOD. It's as if a whole lot of parents scratch the nagging itch of "am I doing the best I can for my child?" by buying a house in a good school district, and then they give themselves permission to foist the supervision of their kids' formation into adulthood to school, peers and TV. And when the kid slips up, no one starts with peers or TV when making the blame list.

Bottom line: if parents spent half the time parenting their child that they currently spend "advocating" for their child, everyone would be a lot better off -- particularly the child.

ThurgreedMarshall 01-21-2010 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 413690)
I was just pointing out that some rights are expressly limited by their grant, such as voting and marriage and association to people, contrary to some wags here suggestion. Speech is not.

I realize what you are suggesting. I was pointing out that the Framers probably didn't draft it as carefully as one who has the ability to read the future and can foresee the role corporations would play in this society might. And, as such, properly framing the prohibition as one that applies to people might make more sense. We already determined that they surely couldn't have meant that Congress shall ABSOLUTELY make NO law prohibiting freedom of speech.

TM

PresentTense Pirate Penske 01-21-2010 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 413691)
My cellar is empty of Petrus, but I just found out a half dozen splits of 2004 Margaux have arrived at the warehouse and are on the way to me, and would be happy to sample some if you're about. Yes, it is young, and we could do an '85 Cos instead, but I rather like sampling the young stuff and figuring out if I think it's worth laying in, especially since laying in a case would be a pretty good investment. The 2004 is relatively cheap, yet reportedly quite good - I'm told a good year for the vineyard in a down year for the region.

I'm getting some d'Yquem and Cos in the same shipment, but those I'm cellaring for a while. And a bunch of Cantemerle, which I like to have around.

Right on! I'm there (most of my days these days are centered around the NE). I'll bring some Harlan (I think the oldest I have is 2000, probably at the start of being ready). I also have a bunch of 96 Pavie Macquin, which is drinking nicely and is at a price point that places no inhibition on opening. And opening some more. Maybe some Lynch-Bages too.

Tomorrow, barrel tasting at a small winery here, Matthews Estate. Probably little presence in your neck of the woods, but nice bordeaux blends.

PresentTense Pirate Penske 01-21-2010 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 413698)
I thought you had a thing for the catholic school girl uniform. Maybe that was spanky.

I think it was me. But I open to a lot of things.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-21-2010 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 413698)
I thought you had a thing for the catholic school girl uniform. Maybe that was spanky.

And for nuns. Bringing a saucy young nun back to the sexy side would be so naughty.

"Awfully tiddy..."

"For the Lord."

sebastian_dangerfield 01-21-2010 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 413701)
I realize what you are suggesting. I was pointing out that the Framers probably didn't draft it as carefully as one who has the ability to read the future and can foresee the role corporations would play in this society might. And, as such, properly framing the prohibition as one that applies to people might make more sense. We already determined that they surely couldn't have meant that Congress shall ABSOLUTELY make NO law prohibiting freedom of speech.

TM

Have you seen The Corporation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y9YZxA5uM8

Highly entertaining documentary. A little Left, but still very fair and even handed.

Hank Chinaski 01-21-2010 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 413691)
My cellar is empty of Petrus, but I just found out a half dozen splits of 2004 Margaux have arrived at the warehouse and are on the way to me, and would be happy to sample some if you're about. Yes, it is young, and we could do an '85 Cos instead, but I rather like sampling the young stuff and figuring out if I think it's worth laying in, especially since laying in a case would be a pretty good investment. The 2004 is relatively cheap, yet reportedly quite good - I'm told a good year for the vineyard in a down year for the region.

I'm getting some d'Yquem and Cos in the same shipment, but those I'm cellaring for a while. And a bunch of Cantemerle, which I like to have around.

if we ever meet I'm only drinking water, the first time we meet at least. AND i'm not letting my glass get out of my sight. no offense.

Hank Chinaski 01-21-2010 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 413694)
Sometimes the parents choose private school for reasons other than educational quality. Mine did, but that was in an era when we tested and ranked students, not schools. In fact, my parents' generation had the crazy belief that stupidity was not a communicable disease, nor was it necessarily caused by exposure to a bad teacher. If I had a bad teacher and a bunch of short-bussers in my class, my parents still would have expected me to pick up a fucking book now and again, and do some math problems at night. In other words, even though my parents plunked down the modern equivalent of $11,000 a year for each of three kids, they did not believe they had engaged in a consumer transaction, the product of which was an educated child. Instead, they thought that tuition merely purchased a daily context of a particular, predictable type, and that it was on me, them, and genetics for me to meet whatever potential I had.

Times have changed. I doubt it was for the better. Now, people think of a public school education as something their tax dollars (ordinarily stated in terms of the last sale price of their residence) have "purchased." And now they talk to their kids' teachers like they talk to the gardener, always wanting to talk about that brown spot on the lawn, and why the past measures to correct it have failed.

my city passed a "human rights ordinance saying it was illegal to do anything shitty to anyone based upon their race, religion, sex or sexual orientation." since the state had all of that besides orientation, the law really was about orientation.

a month later city council almost passed a law requiring all runners wear a reflective vest. the fat guy sponsoring the act talked about how "these people run in the streets..." it occurred to me that I was now part of the only "these people" that could still be attacked.

that how we rolled in the double 0's. now, in the 0-dimes, I guess we throw out massive generalization based upon how you talk to your teachers and extrapolate to the rest of the country. all cool. I'm about continuous improvement.

p.s. I'm hoping you take a moment and read my status elsewhere inan hour.

Hank Chinaski 01-21-2010 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 413700)
Blame them? No, I agree that's a waste of outrage. What I want for them is to chill the fuck out. There's a persistent belief that your Precious Little Snowflake is either being perfected by each new experience, or damaged. Everything about childhood is now high-stakes -- which is funny, because at the same time parents are gripped with fear that their children are being fed a crap public education, AT THE EXACT FUCKING SAME TIME, they are active or complicit in feeding them a crap diet of culture and a crap diet of ACTUAL FOOD. It's as if a whole lot of parents scratch the nagging itch of "am I doing the best I can for my child?" by buying a house in a good school district, and then they give themselves permission to foist the supervision of their kids' formation into adulthood to school, peers and TV. And when the kid slips up, no one starts with peers or TV when making the blame list.

Bottom line: if parents spent half the time parenting their child that they currently spend "advocating" for their child, everyone would be a lot better off -- particularly the child.

no. the worst is that helicopter parents try to "improve" their kid's lives by removing their kid's learning how to fix their own lives. I have/(have had to) resist saying something to teachers, coaches, bosses so much it's wild. and many parents don't resist and worse don't see why they should.

Miss Maine 01-21-2010 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 413680)
Speaking of hanging out with us, I just bumped into bumpkin_at_law. Crazy, no?

TM

Now if only NotBob could find his Babe of Pigs...

Miss Maine

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-21-2010 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 413706)
if we ever meet I'm only drinking water, the first time we meet at least. AND i'm not letting my glass get out of my sight. no offense.

And if we ever meet, it's not going to be anywhere near my animals.

No offense.

Hank Chinaski 01-21-2010 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 413711)
And if we ever meet, it's not going to be anywhere near my animals.

No offense.

of course. they're your private stock; and I'm sure you've heard about how it was Penske who introduced me to his HS lover, Atticus's sister.


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