Inconceivable!!
 

Is a joke funny when you have to explain it?

Waco Wingnuts
 

Say what??? I've spent a bit of time with Texas evangelical Christians but none of them went down in flames and bullets after a stand-off with BATF. If they were so close, there would have been huge support for them in the evangelical community -- and there wasn't. As discussed in other posts about documentaries and the news, what you see isn't always the truth.

minor timmy moment
 

It's Vicodin, not vicadin. Fix your sig, ctd.

tm

Inconceivable!!
 

Okay, so once again I prove that I am an idiot...

Ad(I knew that I knew that reference, but couldn't place it.... damn)der

Waco Wingnuts
 

They were a splinter of Seventh Day Adventists. Are Adventists considered evangelic Christians?

Know the Toe
 

I guess you don't watch Graham Norton. Apparently he is on the wane in the UK, but he's quite refreshing late night fare.

Define "Anything"
 

(1) Why is this about CNN's profits instead of the compromises that always come with the business? Why isn't it fair to say that CNN stayed in Iraq, in less-than-ideal circumstances, so that you would have some sense of what was going on there?

(2) When CNN reports that a "senior administration official" says x, y or z, they know who it is, and they don't tell you. Sometimes this is important. That's the way it is.

(3) If the responsible thing to do was to stay there and report the unpleasantness the regime didn't want reported, where was the competition? I didn't see those stories on PBS/ABC/MSNBC/Fox.

Waco Wingnuts
 

The media had a choice in how they chose to describe the Branch Davidians. Church or Cult? Community or Compound? Members or Followers? I don't believe what the Branch Davidians believed, but they were far from the only people in Texas that (1) interpreted the Bible literally, (2) were particularly interested in eschatology, the study of the "End Times," (3) had a healthy distrust of the federal government, and (4) owned guns.

Maybe evangelical Christians in Texas thought the Davidians were a cult. Maybe that belief rests on inflamatory news coverage and reports that Koresh considered himself a "prophet." The documentary posits that what we saw in the news about Waco wasn't always the truth. So we're all in agreement on that point. I don't take the documentary, or the Bible, or Bob Dylan songs, as literal truth either.

reality nuts
 

Originally posted by bilmore

I thought you liked patentgreedy.

Mr. Personality
 

Alright, I'll go first... Thank you Fox for finally having a raving crazy MAN on a reality tv show! What an ass.

I could never be the woman on that show because I would not be able to take any man seriously who wore one of those icky masks. Ok, there are many other reasons why I wouldn't be one of the women on these shows...

That motivational speaker dude is creepy. I'd like to see him win, except that then he'll think that all that subliminal bullshit really works. What an ass.

n(if you couldn't tell, the most frequent reaction that I had while watching the show was "what an ass"; and not in a good way)cs

Mr. Personality
 

Ok, did anybody remember that this was on? After all of the promotion, I turned it on at about 9:00 PM. I'm assuming here that it didn't start at 9, from the point I started watching. It seemed to me to move pretty slowly, though I haven't watched so many of these types of "reality" programs that I'm not sure whether they don't drag out all the introductory episodes. A few observations.

1. It seems every one of the motivational speaker types on these programs are total manipulative pricks and bullshit artists. (Think Rich on Survivor I). Unfortunately, whomever they seem to be working their mojo on at the time seems to always fall for this crap. I'm giving this dude the inside line.

2. Angry mascot guy was hilarious. He's obviously not used to negative feedback when he's wearing a fake head. He got waaaay too angry about the whole astrologer thing. So you don't believe in it? It's not worth getting that angry about. I'm thinking that had to be scripted. Who gets that mad about something that stupid? Maybe I'll see if I can book angry mascot guy for my kid's next birthday party.

3. How long do you think unemployed guy is going to last? While I'm sympathetic to unemployed guy, the fact that he thinks that somehow meeting a woman on this show is be the thing to change all of the things that are not going the way he wants them to in his life is laughable. If he lasts until the end, he will be gone so fast his head will swim.

4. Any thoughts on Hayley? Is she the type that's going to run away screaming if the dude is ugly, or will she be able to look past the looks as long as he has something else going on, like a good career.

5. Monica -- Meh. So what? She adds nothing to this show. Has no discernible personality and has the annoying habit of repeatedly referring to the guys as Hayley's 'suitors', probably the most annoying word possible in this context.

6. The gift ceremony (or whatever it was called) was pretty funny to watch, especially frog dude, and the bad poetry.

As an aside, since I missed the early part of the show, how is the rest of this going to work, now that they have cut the field in half? Does one guy a week get jettisoned? Are a certain number up to be cut in any given week? Inquiring minds want to know.

I'm not sure there is enough here to keep me interested. Thoughts?

Mr. Personality
 

Damn you, I know I was here first on this one! ;) Oh, well.

Which raving crazy man are you talking about? I could think of several candidates.

Mr. Personality
 

Angry mascot guy was the raving crazy one. I don't think that you missed anything if you turned it on at 9 (it was a 1 hour show). They don't explain how many will be axed each week, but my guess is that it will follow the Bachelor/Joe $$ format.

I'm not sure if I'll watch or not. The masks really creep me out. I was thinking Phantom of the Opera but then salon.com reminded me of the Eyes Wide Shut gala, so now I'm going with that.

n(was it just me or was the show really short on cute guys?)cs

EO
 

Really? You mean my theory doesn't apply to last second, walk-off, game-winning shots? You don't say. Maybe I should take a closer look at its viability.

TM

Inconceivable!!
 

This has to be a joke.

If it weren't for the fact that everyone is probably as unsure about it as I am, it would be a good one.

Or maybe it's a good one because everyone is questioning whether or not you are this much of a dork.

Thurgreed(either POTM because it's so stupid or POTM because it's so brilliant)Marshall

Mr. Personality
 

I think the whole point is that the show has to be short on cute guys, or else why would wearing a mask matter? I'm just thrilled that she managed to eliminate a couple of the cute guys (bar manager and personal trainer -- both annoying, but hot) and kept some of the uglies around.

Unfortunately the bald guy will be history soon thanks to the "dark room" idea. that's a stupid idea b/c she will be able to tell who is bald or who has huge hairy moles on their faces. And the fact that she can see them in swim suits really isn't fair either b/c even if she ends up with a guy with a not so hot face, she can at least make sure she picks someone with a good body. So it's not really all about personality after all. (Why am I trying to make a Fox reality show internally consistent?)

Anyway, I will watch. I am a Fox puppet.

Mr. Personality
 

I watched the show and I laughed, a lot. I mean how surreal has it gotten when you have Monica Lewinsky hosting a tv show involving a woman and 20 guys in masks.

She didn't add anything except her name (what a dubious thing to add, yes?) but at least she was unobtrusive for the most part.

I honestly don't know what there is to say about it.

The motivational speaker guy is, well, kinda strange, you have to wonder if he is really like that or they told him to say that stuff.

On another note, Senator Rick Santorum today informed the country that if the Supreme Court should decide there is a right to homosexual sex, they are also deciding that it is ok to commit incest, adultery and bigamy, you know the usual shopping list. When asked my opinion this morning I said hey, it looks like we have moved up in the world, he didn't compare sex between two gay people to bestiality.

At least if he did, NPR didn't note it.

I'm so proud. Little Ricky is growing up. *sniff*

Bocce rocks
 

It sounds like your family is far more tolerant than mine. I would never have been allowed to interfere with a game being played by adults like that, and would not be amused if a child or an animal "ruined" the game by moving or losing components.

Bocce rocks
 

Your family reunions must be as much fun as boot camp.

Inconceivable!!
 

Dorkiness is measured by unfamiliarity with TV and movies?

I guess I'm a dork, too.

Guess I gotta spend more time with the cool people, sitting on my butt watching the toob.

Mr. Personality
 

I did think it was interesting that the guys were baited with the skanky girls at their house and then the tapes were played for our princess.

n(17 17 17 17 17 17 17 17)cs

from cnn.com
 

BLUE ASH, Ohio (AP) -- Presbyterian Church (USA) officials convicted a minister Monday of violating church law for marrying same-sex couples.

In the church's first trial on the practice, the court rebuked the Rev. Stephen Van Kuiken but refrained from suspending him or removing him from ministry.

The court acquitted Van Kuiken on another charge of ordaining gays who won't adhere to a Presbyterian requirement of chastity.

Van Kuiken, 44, pastor of Mount Auburn Presbyterian Church in nearby Cincinnati, has acknowledged performing the ceremonies and ordaining gays. He says the church is facing a crisis of theological intolerance.

He has said he would appeal a guilty verdict. He has also said he will continue to ordain gays and to marry same-sex couples.

Van Kuiken was the first minister to be tried on accusations of marrying homosexuals as a result of complaints filed by Presbyterian activists in about 20 locations around the country. Some complaints were investigated and dismissed for lack of evidence, and others are pending.

The activists want the 2.5 million-member denomination, based in Louisville, Ky., to require ministers and congregations to obey the Presbyterian constitution.

The Presbyterian Church follows the biblical interpretation generally held by major Christian denominations that marriage can be a covenant only between a man and a woman. The highest Presbyterian court ruled in 2000 that ministers may bless same-sex couples, but cannot marry them.

The April 8 trial lasted for little more than an hour and was open only to Presbyterian ministers and elders. A guilty verdict required votes from at least five of the seven members of the Cincinnati Presbytery court.

Van Kuiken, a married heterosexual originally from Grand Rapids, Michigan, joined Mount Auburn about three years ago from the Church of the Apostles in suburban Minneapolis.


n(so I assume that there is no celebacy requirement for the heterosexual ministers)cs

Mr. Personality
 

I completely missed the premiere (and thus won't watch it - usually have to see a show from the beginning). What is the general order of it, though? She winnows out a few guys each week? Is it like the Dating Game where she then sees the guys she kicked out? Does the audience get to see the guys without the masks often?

C(you know you're in a new era of television when guys wear fetish masks and it's a "fun dating show" and not CSI)deuced

Bocce rocks
 

Consider yourself blessed to not be a part of them.

My parents' response to the news my sister is pregnant was a gruff, "Well, this is going to take up a lot of our time. I hope you don't expect us to babysit often. I don't know how we'll be able to rearrange our schedules."

Monica
 

I didn't watch Mr. Personality but I noticed that in honor of its debut, The Smoking Gun reposted the report where she describes her relationship with Clinton. And The Onion has an amusing little piece about Clinton too.

Mr. Personality
 

Yes, they called down the 10 she had dumped and as they each said goodbye they took off their masks.

The other 10 were then given different coloured masks, and we were shown what they look like.

Inconceivable!!
 

No, dumbass. In this case it is measured by how connected one's eyes are to one's brain. He recognized the guy from Princess Bride, the line on the sign is from Princess Bride (and has been quoted here a million times) and has nothing to do with Iraq.

Also, please note that he himself said he was a dork for not catching it like two posts later.

Yez. You are a dork. But for different reasons, some of which have been outlined above.

Now go back to sleep.

TM

Bocce rocks
 

Which is precisely why I won't become a parent, so as not to subject the tot to an 18th birthday party where they'll get a "Congratulations! How great that you're old enough to move out on your own!" and be confronted with changed locks next time they visit.

I do, however, make an extremely cool aunt.:cool:

Lawyers in Love (well, who want to be)
 

The trauma of being young, lawyerly and lovelorn:

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1050369451788

Note the article brings up that whole "guys won't date women as smart as they are" "women want guys who are as smart as they are" debate we had on this board a ways back...

Define "Anything"
 

No dog in fight, but my impression was that a lot of the WSJ's criticism was that CNN didn't just avoid reporting atrocities while under threat. It was that, to obtain access, CNN DID report, verbatim and without disclaimer, stories fed to them by the regime, giving the impression that they were CNN stories rather than regime propaganda.

hockey, you hosers!
 

After a hard couple of days defending the right of large supermarket chains to let moldy grapes fester on the floor of the produce section without paying widows and orphans who are crippled for life after slipping on said moldy grapes, it was a pleasure to dive back into hockey playoffs. My somewhat revised comments:

(1) Pat Quinn (coach of the Leafs of Toronto) is quite the snazzy dresser. I especially loved last night's suit -- three piece, with lapels on the vest.

(2) The Leafs have the coolest home uniforms. By and large, the Original Six have the best uniforms, but Toronto's white sweater with the blue maple leaf is just classic. And I like how they wear the older version with the detailed leaf for the playoffs. It just makes the Flyers look even more stooopid when they wear their all black "alternate" uniforms.

(3) I may have been wrong about Mister Bean. The goaltending in the Flyers/Leafs games has been amazing, and the Flyer's goalie has been getting it done. I hope that Belfour outplays him tonight.

(4) But Martin Broduer (cue Puddy from Seinfeld in red face paint screaming "GO DEVILS!!!!!!!!!!!") is going to carry his team past Warren Sapp and the Bu.... uh, I mean Khabibulin and the Lightning. (hockey in Florida -- please), and then past Ottowa or Philly or Toronto into the finals.

(5) I am still overjoyed that the hated Red Wings were swept by Emilio Estevez's Mighty Ducks.

Inconceivable!!
 

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Originally posted by ME!
Dorkiness is measured by unfamiliarity with TV and movies?
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Me again: Your response basically says, "no, it's measured by unfamiliarity with TV and movies and posts about TV and movies. Dumbass."

Please turn the TV down. You can't even hear yourself think.

(What? It's off? Well, then, why can't you hear yourself th. . . . Oh. You're not. OK.)

Mouthpiece
 

Exactly.

And 4 excellect letters to the editor in todays WSJ on the same topic. No point posting a link, since you need a paid subscription to get WSJ-Online.

not7yS

Inconceivable!!
 

Are you serious? Did you even read the post? Why are you even arguing this? Did your wife shit in your cheerios again?

1. Adder has seen the movie.
2. Adder admitted to recognizing the character.
3. Adder most likely reads every post on this board (some of which have contained that particular quote)
4. The picture is clearly doctored.
5. The sign he is holding has no connection to an anti-war with Iraq protest.
6. ADDER ADMITTED THAT HE WAS A DORK FOR NOT PUTTING ONE THROUGH FIVE TOGETHER.

So, what conclusion do you draw? That I say he isn't cool because he's unfamiliar with TV and movies. You are projecting.

His dorkiness arises from the fact that although he HAS seen (and is therefore familiar with, dumbass) the movie and the line and the actor, he fooled himself into thinking that an obviously doctored photo of someone with a sign that is unrelated to the protest they are attending looked like an actor in a movie he has already seen.

It has nothing to do with his unfamiliarity with T.V. or movies. Read closely: He is already familiar with the movie, actor and the line. It has to do with his ability to process the information he has in his head against the information in front of him. If you can't see the difference, maybe you're too cut off from the rest of the world and should watch some more T.V.

Let's draw an analogy. You perform research on why fish-faced people draw irrational conclusions. Later, I show you an Onion article on why fish-faced people are the most rational of all hybrid species. You then ask me whether the rest of the world had access to this new information and if you could share the article with your fish-faced boss.

Afterwards, when I call you a dork, dumbass, I wouldn't be criticizing your lack of personal knowledge of the fish-faced. I would be pointing out that you had all the necessary tools at your disposal to determine that the article wasn't real. Understand?

TM

Americans are fashion victims
 

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/200.../index_np.html

Article in Salon about a book asserting that Americans are fashion victims with no originality, whether they express said unoriginality in Prada or Dockers.

You can view the article w/o a subscription by watching an ad.

BR(trying the funky color things)C

Inconceivable!!
 

1. That you are on coffee number seven, at least.

2. That, realistically, you should look at stopping after two or three.

3. That, when you are over-caffeinated and get unnecessarily insulting, you really, really hate to be called on it.

Mr. Personality
 

I will watch this show because there is nothing else on at 9 on Mondays.

#17 the motivational speaker was indeed creepy. I loved constant self-analysis. The guy is incapable of just talking without a motive. I can see this guy in bed, "I will now touch you here, which will cause you to react by touching me there." Princess Hayley is buying it, though. Did anyone notice that she got rid of all the funny/goofy guys and kept all the macho types? Unfortunately for her, that means she kept the lawyer, who was confident but the oogliest guy there.

I think that crazy #10 mascot guy was an act. She handled his tirade gracefully, regardless.

feedback please
 

I found a site that does logos for free. They seem to actually, enjoy the work and having their stuff out there, go figure ;)

Anyway, I would love some thoughts on the designs they have started to do for us.

Please respond here or PM me.

Thanks

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Mr. Personality
 

I checked in on the show during commercial breaks from the Spurs victory because I could not help myself. So, clearly, I am informed enough to make some comments:

The millionaire will take it -- since he has been dropping hints about how he will take care of her.

She definitely eliminated the hottest guy already.

Since she is the one we get to see, she's pretty, but she's not overwhelmingly attractive. Why are they treating her as a princess? Stupid tv.

Even(go Spurs)Odds

Mr. Personality
 

Princess Hayley reminds me of Jennifer Garner.

Does anyone understand why she had three hairstyles while wearing the pink gown (curly bun, down, and pony tail)? Also, she called #5 from the walkie talkie when she was wearing the teal shirt with straight hair--she was given the walkie talkie when her hair was in the curly bun (pink dress) and presumably cut #5 later that evening while still wearing the pink dress (but with the pony tail). When did she have the straight hair and teal shirt on? I think there was some weird editing going on.

None of the remaining ten are attractive in the slightest, IMHO. I would be pissed.