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Hank Chinaski 02-14-2013 11:53 AM
Re: F'ing Olympics
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 477104)
It's not so much that I enjoy wrestling more, though I do. I enjoy soccer more than either sport, but don't think it is really a necessary part of the Olympics (and men's soccer in the Olympics is essentially a Junior Varsity sport).

To me, wrestling is a quintessential Olympic sport, while golf is the opposite. It has been part of the modern Olympics since the very beginning. It was a central sport in the ancient Olympics. It's a sport that can be practiced anywhere, by virtually anyone. You do not have to live in a wealthy country or have access to expensive facilities to become a wrestler -- you can be a farmboy, a kid from the urban slums, or pretty much anything else (except, perhaps -- and even this is changing -- a woman from a conservative Muslim country). Most wrestlers are amateurs, or at least not highly-paid professionals. And an Olympic gold medal is the pinnacle of accomplishment in wrestling.

Golf is the opposite in virtually every respect.

Including golf over wrestling means reducing the diversity of atheletes who can compete in the Olympics. And really, do you think a professional golfer, or the average golf fan, is going to care more about winning the Olympics, or about winning in the Ryder Cup or the PGA tour?
2. plus, it's an original (as in Ancient Greece) sport. This is like throwing out the Marathon for a Nascar sprint cup.

Tyrone Slothrop 02-14-2013 01:05 PM
Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
Um, what?

Hank Chinaski 02-14-2013 01:47 PM
Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 477107)
Um, what?
i need to get more interesting cases:confused:

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-14-2013 03:05 PM
Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 477107)
Um, what?
He shouldn't get his knickers in a twist over a little limbo party.

Replaced_Texan 02-14-2013 04:14 PM
Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
Basketball people, what do you think: http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2013...bas-age-limit/

LessinSF 02-14-2013 04:17 PM
Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 477108)
i need to get more interesting cases:confused:
This is a better app - http://www.sfgate.com/technology/art...ts-4276606.php

Icky Thump 02-14-2013 04:46 PM
Re: F'ing Olympics
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 477104)
To me, wrestling is a quintessential Olympic sport, while golf is the opposite.
True. But the original olympics were in the nude too.

Icky Thump 02-14-2013 04:48 PM
Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 477107)
Um, what?
Palm OS? What are the damages? Like 4 copies were sold.

taxwonk 02-14-2013 05:27 PM
Re: F'ing Olympics
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 477105)
2. plus, it's an original (as in Ancient Greece) sport. This is like throwing out the Marathon for a Nascar sprint cup.
I'm afraid I don't really care enough to look it up, but wasn't golf one of the Olympic competitions in halcyon days?

Hank Chinaski 02-14-2013 07:20 PM
Re: F'ing Olympics
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 477114)
I'm afraid I don't really care enough to look it up, but wasn't golf one of the Olympic competitions in halcyon days?
the point isn't whether golf should, or shouldn't, be in, the point is that it should not bump rasslin. but even if golf was in in 19 whatever, it was a far different sport back then. Adder makes more money than Bobby Jones ever did. Those guys were amateurs.

Adder 02-15-2013 01:30 AM
Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 477110)
Basketball people, what do you think: http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2013...bas-age-limit/
I think she confidently proclaims why the policy exists without having any idea what she's talking about.

Which doesn't make her wrong about the fairness of the question. That said, it's a pretty rare thing to get too worked up about. Most guys benefit from playing a year and improving their draft stock, and don't get hurt.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 02-15-2013 08:11 AM
Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 477116)
I think she confidently proclaims why the policy exists without having any idea what she's talking about.
You say that like she's wrong.

David Stern:

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"That's not our rule," he said. "Our rule is that they won't be eligible for the draft until they're 19. They can play in Europe, they can play in the D-League, they can go to college. This is a not a social program, this is a business rule for us. The NFL has a rule which requires three years of college. So the focus is often on ours, but it's really not what we require in college. It's that we say we would like a year to look at them and I think it's been interesting to see how the players do against first-class competition in the NCAAs and then teams have the ability to judge and make judgments, because high-ranking draft picks are very, very valuable."
http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/sto...draft-age-rule

Hank Chinaski 02-15-2013 11:30 AM
Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 477110)
Basketball people, what do you think: http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2013...bas-age-limit/
I don't know how I feel about the rule, while there is benefit to it, it also takes away freedom to contract, which is bad.

I do feel that 1 injury to 1 kid does not mean the rule should be thrown out. The flip side would be all the kids who left college early (or skipped it entirely) and didn't pan out. The rule protects more of these guys than get hurt, I'm sure. As to the idea that cashing a few rookie paychecks (before the hypo of the same injury in the NBA) would have put this kid on easy street for life, that conflicts with the reality of how athletes often go broke.

By the way, he isn't done for sure is he? Can't he come back next year?

ThurgreedMarshall 02-15-2013 12:30 PM
Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 477110)
Basketball people, what do you think: http://thinkprogress.org/alyssa/2013...bas-age-limit/
The author of that article is correct. If athletes who play individual sports like golf and tennis are able to turn pro whenever they want, the only thing stopping them from doing so in the NBA is teams' risk aversion. It is true that otherwise ridiculous athletes actually learn fundamentals in college, but how is that an argument for keeping them out of the NBA? If a team thinks a kid's upside is not high enough to balance out the risk that he remains raw and unskilled, don't fucking sign him.

TM

Hank Chinaski 02-15-2013 01:10 PM
Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!
 
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/..._requests.html when rock bands were Kings!


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