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Not a Roy Moore fan, but I'm not comfortable with the idea that the Senate should expel him if Alabama voters decide that he's the guy that ought to be representing them.
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Meanwhile, a GOP member of the house is accused of sending inappropriate texts ("I got caught checking you out on the house floor but it's your fault because you looked too good") to the same colleague as well as cornering a female lobbyist in his office while telling her about his erection and, admittedly, texting her 40 times to ask her out. GOP party chair says it's not her job to call for him to resign. Don't think any of his party's leadership has made that call either. The parties just are not equivalent here. There are bad actors in both. Only one will police itself. Oh, and there's a story about Al Franken forcibly kissing a fellow performer on a USO tour and a picture of him touching her chest while she's visibly asleep on the plane home. We will see what happens. |
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And I agree with sgt club on the accusers. I believe Clinton's accusers, as I did Trump's, Moore's and GHWB's. I have actually heard some kind of squicky stuff about Bush 41 from the 80s that I consider to be from a knowing source. I guess I am just tired of the left's belated enlightenment on things. Like when Romney was mocked for his 80's foreign policy, but what do you know? Russia is a super serious threat now. And the pieces about Bill come out only after they ridiculed Romney for his binders of women and Pence for trying to remain above reproach in relationships with women (though I hate Pence and calling his wife "Mother" is totally worthy of being mocked). |
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The philandering allegations against Clinton? I believe those. I know people who've been around him socially. He and Trump aren't very much different there. Moore is a Jimmy Swaggart with pedophile proclivities. If Alabama can't do the right thing, we Yanks should do it for them. I'm running quite low on tolerance for "old Southern" culture these days. It's not genteel, it's not unique, and it's not "traditional." Any locale that coughs up a Roy Moore should be stripped of statehood and renamed a National Trailer Park. |
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Yes. He's that bad. Sexist, backward, provincial, and just smart enough to actually get a lot of terrible things done. Never, ever, chose a "true believer" over a transactional person. Trump's a hopeless nut, but he has no compass, and he can't get anything done. Pence has an agenda, and a compass. And it's pointing to some very fucking horrible places. |
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Moore is a one-off. He fits within a very limited and almost never used power of the Senate. My only concession would be, there needs to be a trial in the Senate, and conviction, regarding the allegations, before expulsion. I am not comfortable with abandoning due process based solely on allegations, however solid those allegations are. |
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That photo's awful. But he is a comedian? It looks like it was staged to be silly, rather than something truly sexual? I disagree on much with Franken, but I think he's smart, and the kind of person we should have in the Senate. I hope he survives this. |
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His "apology" was also terrible. "I have a different recollection of the rehearsal" and "the photo was meant to be a joke but I shouldn't have done it" doesn't cut it. Had he just said he behaved inappropriately and he's sorry, that might have ended it. His statement most definitely didn't. |
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When it comes to his "differing recollection," he needs to explain himself. It sounds to me like he did, in fact, write a kissing scene and did want to rehearse it. That's enough for me to believe that he manipulated this woman into a situation where he could kiss her repeatedly. That is fucking creepy and he should be ashamed. If he forcibly kissed her and shoved his tongue in her mouth, he deserves whatever he gets. Jesus. What the fuck? TM |
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Which is weird because the "joke" is the same if he's just about to touch her, rather than actually touching her. |
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No one is pure in politics, and if you want to dwell on hypocrisy, there's plenty to go around. It can't have escaped you that conservatives used attacks on Bill Clinton to weaken Hillary Clinton. They said they were doing it at the time. Now, Bill Clinton's fans in the Democratic Party aren't on the left. He scored short-term political points again and again through a succession of Sister Souljah moments, constantly triangulating, more often than not for his own transient purposes rather than to accomplish liberal goals. So a lot of lefties have a lot of complaints about him, and his treatment of women (including Hillary) is only a part of it. But Hillary means a lot to a lot of women (some of whom I live with) and they weren't interested in dragging her down, which is why you are hearing some of this about only now that she has stepped off the stage (is she gone yet?). Is that principled? Obviously it depends on which principles matter most to you, because there are trade-offs. I never thought that Bill saw women just as women. I never thought of him as a likely rapist, even though I found it easy to see him as a harasser. Maybe I'm wrong about that, but that's how I read him. With Romney and Pence, something different is at play. With both of them, it seems to me that their religious views make it too easy for them to see women as a different species, and when Romney talks about binders of women and Pence won't meet with women to remain above reproach, both are suffering from a cramped understanding of the essential humanity of half of the species, calling to mind Simone de Beauvoir's quote that "Man is defined as a human being and woman as a female – whenever she behaves as a human being she is said to imitate the male." Neither Romney nor Pence, whatever their other qualities, seem able to see women as fully human. Whatever Bill Clinton's other deficits, his relationship with Hillary suggests that's not his problem. YMMV. |
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As you say, stupid, and I'd add gross, either way. |
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Pence is totally creepy, and in many ways a hypocrite (or hypocrate, I miss Litingrate). I get that. And I don't really defend him. But with Romney, (and I was Anyone But Romney in the primary, due to Romneycare) I saw the attacks on him as rather disingenuous and self-serving. He literally asked for women candidates for various positions, and happened to keep them in a binder. It seems he was actually employing women in important roles and seemed to treat them with respect. So what was the problem, exactly? He was just about the only one in the GOP who was willing to call out Trump with vigor, for many issues including Trump's treatment of women, and suffered a number of attacks I see as unfair (such as for his adopted grandchild). |
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This makes me sick. |
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If Alabama doesn’t like it, it can seek to amend the Constitution to repeal the provision giving the Senate the power to expel. |
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