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sebastian_dangerfield 08-30-2005 06:55 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Ahem.
3 ft. Sorry. I'm sizist.

SlaveNoMore 08-30-2005 06:59 PM

Strict Construction
 
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ironweed
Maybe Stroock?
Who?

Ty@50 08-30-2005 07:04 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If you think devotion to free markets is what makes America special, that is truly sad.

And on the subject of limited government, I'll just wait here for you to denounce the Republicans who keep increasing the size of government spending as "unamerican." Oh, and the wide range of GOP business interests that feed at the government trough -- agribusiness, defense contractors, etc. -- they're all traitors, right?

This sort of explains the pathological dislike of FDR, though.

Are you under the impression that the founding fathers were all of this laissez-faire mindset, or did the American character shift somewhere along the line?
This posts remind me, in early 2006 I have a nervous breakdown and have to go away for about 6 months. Nobody worry, okay? I do come back.

paigowprincess 08-30-2005 07:04 PM

Strict Construction
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Who?
Those were the days.

Mon Dieu!!! Trifecta!!! Everyone stop posting!!!

Tyrone Slothrop 08-30-2005 07:13 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Ty@50
This posts remind me, in early 2006 I have a nervous breakdown and have to go away for about 6 months. Nobody worry, okay? I do come back.
Not Bob has my proxy.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 08-30-2005 07:15 PM

Newer Orleans
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

(2) It is a fact that the blue states, which tend to be on the coasts and in the upper Midwest, tend to subsidize the red states, which tend to be rural and in the south and west. Blue states pay more to the federal government than they receive back, and red states are the opposite.
Speaking of, since it's clear that New Orleans and much of the area is devastated to the point of starting over from scratch, is it unreasonable to expect that, as a condition of the massive federal aid that will no doubt be passed by Congress when it returns in a few days, New Orleans be rebuilt inland somewhere? As it is, we'll be spending $15billion just to buy the same problem all over again in the next 15-50 years. Basically give no aid for any sort of rebuilding, public or private, in a place that's below sea level.

Hank Chinaski 08-30-2005 07:19 PM

Newer Orleans
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Speaking of, since it's clear that New Orleans and much of the area is devastated to the point of starting over from scratch, is it unreasonable to expect that, as a condition of the massive federal aid that will no doubt be passed by Congress when it returns in a few days, New Orleans be rebuilt inland somewhere? As it is, we'll be spending $15billion just to buy the same problem all over again in the next 15-50 years. Basically give no aid for any sort of rebuilding, public or private, in a place that's below sea level.
2. The city is kept above water by a levee that is threatened every X years and breached every x + 10 years.

Also, I want to stop funding the was against terrorism since it really is only intended to protect NY or LA.

Sidd Finch 08-30-2005 07:35 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Mel Gibson is actually to the dumb end of the dumb actor spectrum. But Dennis Miller is closer to Bill Maher isn't he? he's more of a social commentator certainly than an actor.

Dennis Miller is more of just about less anything than an actor, but that's not for lack of trying.

Sidd Finch 08-30-2005 07:36 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
Is is the amount of Rock Stars and Music Stars. The fact that Dennis Miller and Mel Gibson support us is two points against us but the majority is with the opposition. So we must be doing something right.
Ah, yes. We judge our policies by their unpopularity.

The ever-increasing hatred in the Muslim world of the US must truly warm the cockles of your heart.

notcasesensitive 08-30-2005 07:38 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Dennis Miller is more of just about less anything than an actor, but that's not for lack of trying.
How long did it take you to compose this sentence and what does it mean?

Tyrone Slothrop 08-30-2005 07:39 PM

Newer Orleans
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Speaking of, since it's clear that New Orleans and much of the area is devastated to the point of starting over from scratch, is it unreasonable to expect that, as a condition of the massive federal aid that will no doubt be passed by Congress when it returns in a few days, New Orleans be rebuilt inland somewhere? As it is, we'll be spending $15billion just to buy the same problem all over again in the next 15-50 years. Basically give no aid for any sort of rebuilding, public or private, in a place that's below sea level.
Not to get all "network effects" on you, but I imagine that there is an awful lot of infrastructure that has survived which would be too expensive to move/replace.

paigowprincess 08-30-2005 07:41 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
How long did it take you to compose this sentence and what does it mean?
I think if you take the "of" and turn it into an "or" and remove the "just about", you have a statement saying that Dennis Miller is bad at acting. Or that he is full of shit. Open for interpretation.


I have really missed Sidd and am very glad he is back.

Sidd Finch 08-30-2005 07:43 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
You only get culture when you have an economy that can afford one.

That's a pretty fucking stupid thing to say. Are you suggesting that less prosperous countries have not developed thriving cultures?


Guess I'll have to chuck all my Latin American novels, African music, and Polynesian sculptures when I get home. Not to mention the jazz.


Apologies if I offended you by tuning out the rah-rah stuff, which I generally agree with.

paigowprincess 08-30-2005 07:45 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
That's a pretty fucking stupid thing to say. Are you suggesting that less prosperous countries have not developed thriving cultures?


Guess I'll have to chuck all my Latin American novels, African music, and Polynesian sculptures when I get home. Not to mention the jazz.


Apologies if I offended you by tuning out the rah-rah stuff, which I generally agree with.

What about your Mojito Maker?

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 08-30-2005 07:46 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop


This is what's in my car's CD player just now:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0...CMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

etft
I think we've finally found a point of agreement. Great CD's.

eta: I'll be seeing the Lawtalkers House Band on 10/20 at Metro in Chicago.

Sidd Finch 08-30-2005 07:47 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
How long did it take you to compose this sentence and what does it mean?
Only thirty seconds. I saved some time by failing to delete the "less" that made it incomprehensible.

It's a gift.

Sidd Finch 08-30-2005 07:49 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by paigowprincess
What about your Mojito Maker?

I've been gone for awhile. Is this a euphemism for something, or are you still recovering from another weekend at Bing's, waiting for Mr. Right Now to walk in?

paigowprincess 08-30-2005 07:49 PM

PB players
 
I don't really follow this board and am not sure where everyone stands politically. I do know that Penske and Spanky are republicans, as is Slave (but I do not understand why he is, unless its part of his aspiration to join the elite classes as evidenced by his GreatestShits on classy red suits and Esquire on the End of Biz Casual at Cadwalader).

I am not sure who the dems are but would guess Ty, Booger and ltl are in that camp (thogh I would think ltl would be a republican based on her intricate knowledge of the cow slaughter system).

Whats the topic? THird world culture- oxymoron or fact? Is this preally a political subject?

paigowprincess 08-30-2005 07:53 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Only thirty seconds. I saved some time by failing to delete the "less" that made it incomprehensible.

It's a gift.
I went and reread your lessless senteence and I think that the modifications I imagined got us to the same place. Funny.

paigowprincess 08-30-2005 07:55 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I've been gone for awhile. Is this a euphemism for something, or are you still recovering from another weekend at Bing's, waiting for Mr. Right Now to walk in?
Actually, I am a few more Bing nights and an overnight excursion to Vegas away from being Mrs. Bing. My plan is to inherit the cocktail lounge. Ty@50? Do I succeed in turning this cyberplace into a bricks and mortar institution?

Sexual Harassment Panda 08-30-2005 08:07 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by paigowprincess
Actually, I am a few more Bing nights and an overnight excursion to Vegas away from being Mrs. Bing. My plan is to inherit the cocktail lounge. Ty@50? Do I succeed in turning this cyberplace into a bricks and mortar institution?
Not if I can help it. Sure, you're young, single and one of the Beautiful People, but for those of us with preschool kids, commutes and long-hour jobs, this is all we've got.

notcasesensitive 08-30-2005 08:10 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by paigowprincess
Actually, I am a few more Bing nights and an overnight excursion to Vegas away from being Mrs. Bing. My plan is to inherit the cocktail lounge. Ty@50? Do I succeed in turning this cyberplace into a bricks and mortar institution?
I've found Ty@50 to be a bit unresponsive of late. Could I be on his ignore list?!?!

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 08-30-2005 08:23 PM

When the Levee Breaks
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Not to get all "network effects" on you, but I imagine that there is an awful lot of infrastructure that has survived which would be too expensive to move/replace.
Those are sunk costs, not network effects. The question is, is it, overall, cheaper to rebuild elsewhere than to rebuild in the same place and continue the levee system that doesn't always work. And my premise is that a lot of that infrastructure has not, in fact, survived. How many telephone poles do you think are still standing? 3?

The network effect, if any, is that since some people already live there, and probably are not displaced, they won't want to move to the new place.

notcasesensitive 08-30-2005 08:28 PM

When the Levee Breaks
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Those are sunk costs, not network effects. The question is, is it, overall, cheaper to rebuild elsewhere than to rebuild in the same place and continue the levee system that doesn't always work. And my premise is that a lot of that infrastructure has not, in fact, survived. How many telephone poles do you think are still standing? 3?

The network effect, if any, is that since some people already live there, and probably are not displaced, they won't want to move to the new place.
Couldn't they just direct the money into a casino/resort in Las Vegas called N'Oawlens, shaped in the shape of a giant plantation house and complete with the Bourbon Street Bar, Crawdaddy's Cajun Restaurant and Mardi Gras Nightclub and be done with it?

Hank Chinaski 08-30-2005 09:00 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Couldn't they just direct the money into a casino/resort in Las Vegas called N'Oawlens, shaped in the shape of a giant plantation house and complete with the Bourbon Street Bar, Crawdaddy's Cajun Restaurant and Mardi Gras Nightclub and be done with it?
Mihgt work. Las Vegas is already zoned for ladies to show their breasts in public.

Ty@50 08-30-2005 09:06 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by paigowprincess
Actually, I am a few more Bing nights and an overnight excursion to Vegas away from being Mrs. Bing. My plan is to inherit the cocktail lounge. Ty@50? Do I succeed in turning this cyberplace into a bricks and mortar institution?
Yes you do buy it, but it costs you your two best frineds.

First Penske and you have a row over his tab when he disputes the vintage on a bottle of 4th growth Bordeau.

Then you have to ban shape shifter for life when certain of his bathroom habits cause 2 cleaning people to quit in the same week.

Hank Chinaski 08-30-2005 09:21 PM

finally a Kennedy against people being dumped in water
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert...e-_b_6396.html

Bobbie Jr. Sez it Bush's fault.

You all do understand that even if global warming had some basis in reality, 5 years can't change it, right? This is what i meant earlier today about just how despicable and desparate the whole Dem party has become.
  • Well, the science is clear. This month, a study published in the journal Nature by a renowned MIT climatologist linked the increasing prevalence of destructive hurricanes to human-induced global warming.

    Now we are all learning what it’s like to reap the whirlwind of fossil fuel dependence which Barbour and his cronies have encouraged. Our destructive addiction has given us a catastrophic war in the Middle East and--now--Katrina is giving our nation a glimpse of the climate chaos we are bequeathing our children.

    In 1998, Republican icon Pat Robertson warned that hurricanes were likely to hit communities that offended God. Perhaps it was Barbour’s memo that caused Katrina, at the last moment, to spare New Orleans and save its worst flailings for the Mississippi coast.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-30-2005 09:41 PM

When the Levee Breaks
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Those are sunk costs, not network effects. The question is, is it, overall, cheaper to rebuild elsewhere than to rebuild in the same place and continue the levee system that doesn't always work. And my premise is that a lot of that infrastructure has not, in fact, survived. How many telephone poles do you think are still standing? 3?

The network effect, if any, is that since some people already live there, and probably are not displaced, they won't want to move to the new place.
Sunk costs indeed.

Spanky 08-30-2005 10:30 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If you think devotion to free markets is what makes America special, that is truly sad.
It is your lack of understandig what makes America great and your disdain for free markets that is sad. Do you think all these people having been trying to get to America for that past two hundred years because they want political freedom. Some yes, but most came here because of the economic opportunities. In most countrys economic success was more dependent on who you know than what you know or how hard you work. They came here to get away from economies where opressive governments stymied economic opportunity.

You don't understand why America is so successful and that is why you promote policies that would undermine her success.

Replaced_Texan 08-30-2005 10:39 PM

When the Levee Breaks
 
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Those are sunk costs, not network effects. The question is, is it, overall, cheaper to rebuild elsewhere than to rebuild in the same place and continue the levee system that doesn't always work. And my premise is that a lot of that infrastructure has not, in fact, survived. How many telephone poles do you think are still standing? 3?

The network effect, if any, is that since some people already live there, and probably are not displaced, they won't want to move to the new place.
Obviously the scope is very, very different but we're still recovering from the flooding in Tropical Storm Allison, which flooded a good part of Houston, especially the Medical Center and downtown. I know a good number of rebuilding projects are still not quite up and running and negotiating with FEMA and insurance companies was an amazing pain in the ass. I feel like I'm walking through a the Death Star with all sorts of blast doors that are supposed to close if it starts flooding again like that. I hope I never have to find out.

Ty@50 08-30-2005 10:44 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Spanky

You don't understand why America is so successful and that is why you promote policies that would undermine her success.
I'm sure my younger self will argue with this point in the next few hours, but my current wiser self recognizes you were right.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-30-2005 10:55 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
It is your lack of understandig what makes America great and your disdain for free markets that is sad. Do you think all these people having been trying to get to America for that past two hundred years because they want political freedom. Some yes, but most came here because of the economic opportunities. In most countrys economic success was more dependent on who you know than what you know or how hard you work. They came here to get away from economies where opressive governments stymied economic opportunity.

You don't understand why America is so successful and that is why you promote policies that would undermine her success.
By your thinking, you should move to Hong Kong. It's even more American than America. I'll come visit sometime.

In your world, the words "great" and "succcessful" seem to mean the same thing, since you just switched from one to the other without apparently meaning to. If so, that's also sad.

I know what economic opportunity is. My father's family came to this country for it. I don't need you to remind me what that's about. But I'm not going to swallow a partisan economic agenda designed to benefit the rich at the expense of the rest of us just because it's wrapped in patriotic twaddle.

Ty@50 08-30-2005 11:06 PM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
By your thinking, you should move to Hong Kong. It's even more American than America. I'll come visit sometime.

In your world, the words "great" and "succcessful" seem to mean the same thing, since you just switched from one to the other without apparently meaning to. If so, that's also sad.

I know what economic opportunity is. My father's family came to this country for it. I don't need you to remind me what that's about. But I'm not going to swallow a partisan economic agenda designed to benefit the rich at the expense of the rest of us just because it's wrapped in patriotic twaddle.
str8. Surely there's a feel good self-help movie in this. Have your people call mine?

SlaveNoMore 08-30-2005 11:52 PM

Fade to Black
 
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paigowprincess
I don't really follow this board and am not sure where everyone stands politically. I do know that Penske and Spanky are republicans, as is Slave (but I do not understand why he is, unless its part of his aspiration to join the elite classes as evidenced by his GreatestShits on classy red suits and Esquire on the End of Biz Casual at Cadwalader)....
For someone that purports to hate me so much, you sure spend an awful lot of time looking back at my old Infirm posts.

Rather than staring at old, meaningless posts in your remaining spare time - might I suggest going to a greenhouse, beach or museum? Or watch the sunset?

I'd hate to think the last thing you see are the words "Ping Pow".

Regards,

Slave

Spanky 08-31-2005 12:04 AM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

In your world, the words "great" and "succcessful" seem to mean the same thing, since you just switched from one to the other without apparently meaning to. If so, that's also sad.
What has made this country successful is the same thing that made this country great. A successful country is a great country. What is sad about that.

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop I know what economic opportunity is. My father's family came to this country for it. I don't need you to remind me what that's about.
Clearly you don't. You constantly promote policies that would undermine our ecnomic success. Your are hostile to free enterprize and it was economic opporunity created by free enterprize that attracted your relatives. You have never lived in a country that has implemented the policies you promote. If you had you would not promote them.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop But I'm not going to swallow a partisan economic agenda designed to benefit the rich at the expense of the rest of us just because it's wrapped in patriotic twaddle. [/QUOTE]

You aren't just against Bush's economic agenda. You are hostile to free enterprize which even a significant portion of your party is not.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-31-2005 12:57 AM

Street Fighting Man
 
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Originally posted by Spanky
What has made this country successful is the same thing that made this country great. A successful country is a great country. What is sad about that.
OK, whatever. I'm just saying there is more to life than material success. If that seems odd to you, so be it.

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Clearly you don't. You constantly promote policies that would undermine our ecnomic success. Your are hostile to free enterprize and it was economic opporunity created by free enterprize that attracted your relatives. You have never lived in a country that has implemented the policies you promote. If you had you would not promote them.

You aren't just against Bush's economic agenda. You are hostile to free enterprize which even a significant portion of your party is not.
Just because I disagree with you at the margin doesn't mean I'm hostile to free enterprise. Indeed, given what I do for a living, I find that suggestion a little bizarre.

Oh, and the policies I promote are pretty centrist, and I have been living in the United States for many years now, so guess again.

Meanwhile, you conveniently ignore all of the camels with their nose under the GOP big tent who keep sucking at the government trough. The GOP keeps carrying water for corporate interests that would rather take a government handout than compete, but I've never heard you say this is unamerican.

Wrapping partisanship in the flag -- a Republican gift to America.

Penske_Account 08-31-2005 01:06 AM

Fade to Black
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
For someone that purports to hate me so much, you sure spend an awful lot of time looking back at my old Infirm posts.

Rather than staring at old, meaningless posts in your remaining spare time - might I suggest going to a greenhouse, beach or museum? Or watch the sunset?

I'd hate to think the last thing you see are the words "Ping Pow".

Regards,

Slave
"Ping! Pow!

Tyrone Slothrop 08-31-2005 02:58 AM

for BRC
 
http://www.radosh.net/images/noodledoodle_bg3b.jpg

Hank Chinaski 08-31-2005 10:14 AM

str8- can you hook up tixs?
 
boot those Dead revivals scheduled for early fall- if you wanna be where the best acid is you need to get on the Peace Mom tour.

http://www.bangornews.com/news/templates/?a=119098
  • 'Peace Mom' to protest Maine air show
    Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - Bangor Daily News

    By Eric Russell, Of the NEWS Staff

    Peace groups planning to protest a Blue Angels air show next month at the Brunswick Naval Air Station have enlisted a woman whose own demonstrations outside President Bush's Texas ranch have galvanized many against the war in Iraq.

    Cindy Sheehan of Vacaville, Calif., will be the featured guest at a protest on Saturday, Sept. 10, in Brunswick. Her son, Casey Sheehan, is one of more than 1,800 U.S. soldiers who have died in Iraq since March 2003.

    "She's definitely coming. She's already bought her [plane] ticket," Bruce Gagnon of Maine Veterans for Peace said Monday.

    Sheehan has earned the nickname "Peace Mom" after staging a monthlong demonstration outside Bush's ranch in Crawford, Texas, where the president was vacationing for most of August. She has said she will end her protest on Wednesday, and even though she hasn't achieved her goal of meeting with the president, Sheehan's resolve has roused considerable interest across the nation.

    "She has a lot of guts, and she's willing to stand up to Bush in a big way," Gagnon said of Sheehan.

    The Maine Veterans for Peace has been planning the event for months in collaboration with several other peace groups across the state. Gagnon said he expects a turnout of several hundred and said Sheehan's appearance likely will multiply those numbers.

    The air show itself is expected to draw as many as 100,000, according to BNAS Director of Public Affairs John James.

    It is the first time the Blue Angels, the U.S. Navy's elite team who fly F/A18 Hornets in synchronized formations, havebeen in Brunswick since 1999, and it could be the last time now that BNAS has been slated for closure by the Base Realignment and Closure commission.

    "This is the largest single event in the state," James said Monday. "It is an opportunity for the military to demonstrate its missions and capabilities to taxpayers of America and to entertain families and individuals."

    As for the protest, James said he isn't concerned that it will interfere with the show.

    "We respect the right of parties to protest," he said. "They have been working with [Brunswick] police, and they seem to have covered all their bases."

    Gagnon said the Blue Angels air show is a recruiting gimmick for the Navy, which has seen enlistment numbers decline steadily. He pointed out that the air station in Brunswick has played a significant role in the Iraq war.

    "We need to shine a light on BNAS' role in Iraq ... we need to talk about that," Gagnon said. "We have to start having some debate within Congress. I think, nationally, the [Democratic] party is starting to feel a lot of pressure."

    The Sept. 10 protest will begin at 9 a.m. at the Brunswick mall on Maine Street. From there, protesters will march to BNAS, a trek expected to take about an hour. Once the protesters reach the gate, they will hold a rally during which Sheehan and others, including an Orrs Island couple whose son is now in Iraq, will speak.

    "For a lot of us, it's personal," Gagnon said. "A lot of people try to make the impression that we don't care about the troops, but that's not true."

    For more information on the protest, visit the Veterans for Peace Web site at www.vfpmaine.org.

    For more information on the air show, visit its Web site at www.greatstateofmaineairshow.com.

Gattigap 08-31-2005 10:17 AM

str8- can you hook up tixs?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
boot those Dead revivals scheduled for early fall- if you wanna be where the best acid is you need to get on the Peace Mom tour.

http://www.bangornews.com/news/templates/?a=119098
[list]'Peace Mom' to protest Maine air show
Tuesday, August 30, 2005 - Bangor Daily News
Oh, Lord, that's stupid. Protesting a Blue Angels show?


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