classy, classy guy
 

Though Club apparently ignores the numbers he doesn't like, I will repeat that according to the study published in The Lancet, it is 95% likely that the number of deaths in Iraq resulting from the war exceeded 98,000. And that's a few months old now, although it's not just murders.

classy, classy guy
 

Wouldn't the more appropriate time to take on Iraq have been in '91, when there was a Republican with a vaguely familiar name in the White House and a distinct tactical advantage?

But you go ahead and keep up with our Clinton obssession. Because it's so productive.

classy, classy guy
 

The fringe of your party elected one. Unfortunately, they dragged far too many of the rational with them.

classy, classy guy
 

Cite, please?

Otherwise, if you substitute the name Dean every place you have the name Rove, your post is an accurate reflection of the chair of the Democratic National Committee. Of course, SAM wiill say he's not really mainstream and Sidd will say he didn't win the majority of the Deomcratic primaries, and Ty, like the New York Times, will simply refuse to acknowledge that Dean has every said anything objectionable.

classy, classy guy
 

Good for you. As I said, I'm no big fan of Bill, but we voters elected him to be President, a job which includes being Commander in Chief of the military, and you and fellow blow-job obsessed Republicans were so intent on talking about blow jobs and semen-stained dresses that you did not exactly support the fellow when he tried to take out Osama bin Laden. So keep talking about blow jobs if you like, but don't complain that he wasn't doing more to fight terrorism, since you guys weren't exactly standing with him as he tried to defend the country. You had other priorities.

If you believe this, you are misinformed. You should stop posting for a while and read The Age Of Sacred Terror, and then you should come back here and apologize for the ignorant things you are saying. Get your facts straight, man.

Demoting Richard Clarke and ignoring counterterrorism policy wasn't exactly making up for anything, except perhaps for the nation's shocking failure to waste enough money on a useless missile defense system. Bush did nothing in those months to stop Al Qaeda.

classy, classy guy
 

What has Dean said that compares to Rove's recent comments?

classy, classy guy
 

Perhaps, but there is implicit defense that can be inferred from the first three statements and you know it. Any one of those first three statements (and you can add to that list my senator's comment a few years back about how bin laden was beloved in the ME because he spent so much time and money building schools and feeding people etc -I dont want to google it) sets a bad tone in the backdrop of an attack on our country that killed 3000 people and is fodder for the enemy to justify that and further attacks.

Rove's comment draws attention to that bad tone. Let the guilty step forward and justify their comments, if they can.

I'm not a strict adherent to any doctrine.

But Our Guy's Lies Weren't Under Oath
 

So then Bush's lies about WMD are okay because he wasn't under oath? Is it only a character issue of there's litigation involved? Or is deliberate mischaracterization by the Nation's leader in order to serve his agenda acceptable to you?

This sounds a lot like moral relativism to me.

classy, classy guy
 

classy, classy guy
 

Wow, here's a nutty one:

"As Commander in Chief of the United States Military, I will never send our sons and daughters and our brothers and sisters to die in a foreign land without telling the truth about why they're going there."

classy, classy guy
 

That's fair, on the first. Although I'm not sure whose territory it is. Saddam's? What is his claim of right to it--certainly not democratic elections. It belongs to the people, generally speaking, who inhabit it. And the choice they face is having Saddam run the place or us run the place, at least for a time.

Agree on i and ii, which are both fair questions, but really concern only the cost to americans, not iraqis.

classy, classy guy
 

Another doozy:


"I supported the war in Afghanistan because 3000 of our people were murdered and I thought we had a right to defend the people of the United States."

classy, classy guy
 

And another:



"I supported the first Gulf War because one of our Allies was attacked and I believe we had the right; the responsibility to defend them."

classy, classy guy
 

Take a look at the Congressional vote on Afghanistan.

And what the fuck does Dean have to do with what Rove is saying? Either Rove is full of shit or he isn't. I say he is.

As for Dean's actions since becoming the head of the Democratic Party, I don't like the job he's doing. He ought to do what Jon Stewart told him to do last night on the Daily: quit the fucking whining about how bad the Republicans are and start announcing every single day what the Dems would do differently.

Iron Steve Favors Tax Increase
 

User taxes bother me less than income or wealth based taxes. The vast majority of Americans have public transportation options but eschew them to indulge in the benefits of cheap oil. All the liberals here rant and rave about how Bush is killing the environment (along with innocent terrorists) but the public buses, trains, rideshare programs et al are utilized at something less than 30% of capacity. I see more SUVs here than in any other place I have ever lived (although in fairness that is also a prodduct of the fact that SUVs continue to become more popular generally). the green faced treehugging liberals are the worst hypocrats I have ever seen.

Also, going back to the first sentence, to some extent I am for raising gas taxes, especially if the money was earmarked for purposes in furtherance of the public good. Like killing our terrorist enemies and furthering our superpower rule over the world.