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taxwonk 09-30-2015 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 497916)
Carson is a seventh day adventist - there are lots of born agains who would be happy to debate whether the Adventists constitute a "cult" (like the Mormons) or are "Christians", so he could face the same "he's not a Christian" claims in other contexts.

And of course we know the Pope may well be the anti-Christ, so you've got to watch that one, too.

All of this reminds me how nice it is to no longer live in upstate NY where I grew up. Wonk, you need to take them all to a nice AME Zion church in the area so they can see what Christianity ought to look like.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/photo_...t/21356580265/

Here you are: the oldest operating African Methodist Evangelical Church in America.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-30-2015 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 497997)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/photo_...t/21356580265/

Here you are: the oldest operating African Methodist Evangelical Church in America.

That's likely worthy of a Sunday sojourn.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-30-2015 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 497996)
She is an absolute idiot. But she is the best friend of the woman I love and unless you can do better than Erin, I suggest you all do what I do with her idiocy. I point out once or twice that she is being a bit of an ass, then I scroll on by. Erin means a lot to me. I'm willing to ignore some stupid twat in order to keep the peace under my own roof.

Now, if you all can't think of anything better to discuss than my circle of friends, please go back to discussing baseball or football or some other stupid shit so I can do what polite people do when someone is shooting off their mouth about something they know fuck-all about and ignore you.

Look, we've moved on. I was hassling the wingers on TM's page yesterday.

Apropro of which, what are those people doing there? He posts a lot of politics, but really whomps the wingers when they appear pretty badly, so I conclude they are likely there because they're into S&M and getting a beat down turns them on.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-30-2015 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 497995)
I was going to on Sunday, but I got in a huge fight with my girlfriend instead, so we spent the day throwing jugs of shine at each other and eating okra.

I love okra or, as I refer to it, bhindi.

Adder 09-30-2015 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 497993)
you like his new show? you find it funny?

It's as funny as any of those network late night shows. Well, except maybe the original Conan show (I've not watched him in years).

ThurgreedMarshall 09-30-2015 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 497990)
I'm working off of TM's references here. I can't say I've seen anything funny by him ever.

Can't say I agree with everything Maher has to say. He's gone off the deep end with Islam--I used to think it was an extension of his general distaste for religion, but it's not. His bullshit argument about the boy and the clock is just stupid and it's an extension of "If someone is Muslim, it's okay to assume the worst first" attitude. I don't think he started off this way (or maybe I was crediting him too much because he always says the worst about religion), but he's there now. And the clip of Reza Aslan explaining what you were saying when you and I were debating awhile back, has brought me further over to your side from where I used to be.

There is also a logical disconnect between how he addresses climate change and vaccinations. He's all about the science, and the opinion and studies of scientists when it comes to climate change and the environment, but then he completely flips over and goes with his "gut" on vaccinations and outright poo poos the science behind them. Very annoying.

But I really do enjoy watching him hammer the Republicans on their mostly bullshit arguments. In a world where we're bombarded by false equivalency at every fucking turn, it's nice to watch someone actually call bullshit on bullshit. Maybe Hank's right and I only like him because I agree with all that stuff. But there are few people who can point out a right wing argument based on garbage in such an amusing way.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 09-30-2015 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 497993)
you like his new show? you find it funny?

I like his new show. It's not always meant to be funny. Maybe you should stick with Fallon.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 09-30-2015 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 497999)
Look, we've moved on. I was hassling the wingers on TM's page yesterday.

Apropro of which, what are those people doing there? He posts a lot of politics, but really whomps the wingers when they appear pretty badly, so I conclude they are likely there because they're into S&M and getting a beat down turns them on.

There is one who is extra special. He's not stupid. He just can only hear what he wants to hear. So, when he's told to say he hates Planned Parenthood because taxpayers shouldn't be paying for abortions and you tell him that that's not what the government funds, he cannot hear you.

Whenever he jumps in, he thinks he's making a brilliant point, but he only reads the heaviest right wing bullshit, so he doesn't even really understand that he's getting the wrong (or edited versions of the) story. I used to try to debate him on each point, but he's become such an ass, that it's not really worth the time. And, like I said, he can't hear me and doesn't want to.

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-30-2015 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 498002)
Can't say I agree with everything Maher has to say. He's gone off the deep end with Islam--I used to think it was an extension of his general distaste for religion, but it's not. His bullshit argument about the boy and the clock is just stupid and it's an extension of "If someone is Muslim, it's okay to assume the worst first" attitude. I don't think he started off this way (or maybe I was crediting him too much because he always says the worst about religion), but he's there now. And the clip of Reza Aslan explaining what you were saying when you and I were debating awhile back, has brought me further over to your side from where I used to be.

There is also a logical disconnect between how he addresses climate change and vaccinations. He's all about the science, and the opinion and studies of scientists when it comes to climate change and the environment, but then he completely flips over and goes with his "gut" on vaccinations and outright poo poos the science behind them. Very annoying.

But I really do enjoy watching him hammer the Republicans on their mostly bullshit arguments. In a world where we're bombarded by false equivalency at every fucking turn, it's nice to watch someone actually call bullshit on bullshit. Maybe Hank's right and I only like him because I agree with all that stuff. But there are few people who can point out a right wing argument based on garbage in such an amusing way.

TM

Look, it may be the circles I hang out in, but I see him on Islam seemingly 24/7 and on the other stuff not at all. He seems to have chosen it as his brand. I really can't remember seeing anything funny from him at all. For the wing-nut beat-down, Rachel Maddow is my gold standard.

OK, so I have to work at becoming as clear speaking as Aslan. Noted.

Hank Chinaski 09-30-2015 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 498002)
Can't say I agree with everything Maher has to say. He's gone off the deep end with Islam--I used to think it was an extension of his general distaste for religion, but it's not. His bullshit argument about the boy and the clock is just stupid and it's an extension of "If someone is Muslim, it's okay to assume the worst first" attitude. I don't think he started off this way (or maybe I was crediting him too much because he always says the worst about religion), but he's there now. And the clip of Reza Aslan explaining what you were saying when you and I were debating awhile back, has brought me further over to your side from where I used to be.
TM

I think he was not so deep end at first. He lost his network show right after 9/11 for challenging W's "the terrorists are cowards" statement. Maher said, "they may be crazy but if you fly a plane into a builing knowing you'll die, that isn't cowardly." I kind of agree with him there; but it got him fired.

Today's Maher wouldn't seek to tweak some statement, he'd be too busy slamming Muslims generally.

Hank Chinaski 09-30-2015 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 498003)
I like his new show. It's not always meant to be funny. Maybe you should stick with Fallon.

TM

I wouldn't watch Fallon with adder's brain.

Sidd Finch 09-30-2015 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 497995)
I was going to on Sunday, but I got in a huge fight with my girlfriend instead, so we spent the day throwing jugs of shine at each other and eating okra.

Next time do it the other way around. Okra is too slimy and the jugs could be dangerous when thrown.

Hank Chinaski 09-30-2015 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 498008)
Next time do it the other way around. Okra is too slimy and the jugs could be dangerous when thrown.

Where Wonk is okra isn't slimy it's deep fried. Hell they deep fry tomatoes in those parts.

Replaced_Texan 09-30-2015 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 498005)
Look, it may be the circles I hang out in, but I see him on Islam seemingly 24/7 and on the other stuff not at all. He seems to have chosen it as his brand. I really can't remember seeing anything funny from him at all. For the wing-nut beat-down, Rachel Maddow is my gold standard.

OK, so I have to work at becoming as clear speaking as Aslan. Noted.

I probably watch three out of four of his shows, with a finger on the remote to fast forward. Usually the fast forwarding is for one of his guests, not him, but his opinions on women, Islam, religion in general, the poor, vaccinations, and a few other topics, I could do without. But, there's a lot on his show that I agree with, or at least could be persuaded to come to a middle ground on. I generally like his New Rules, and his guests can be good. By and large, the Islam crap only comes up every now and then, so I can ignore it.

ETA: And as for okra, my favorite versions are a) my mother's gumbo, b) the fried okra at Hartz's Fried Chicken in Brenham, and c) the fried okra salad at Indika.

Hank Chinaski 09-30-2015 06:59 PM

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Under the radar but I had an audience with Pope. I mentioned how I used to try to fight the liberal dogma here but everyone called me a troll so I stopped�� he gave me a rosary and told me "be strong!" I take that as affirmation I should go back to exposing you all's nonsense.

Hank Chinaski 09-30-2015 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 498010)


ETA: And as for okra, my favorite versions are a) my mother's gumbo, b) the fried okra at Hartz's Fried Chicken in Brenham, and c) the fried okra salad at Indika.

I'm sure your mom's gumbo is great; also sure okra is secondary or tertiary ingredient. Okra is best battered and fried "eating your vegetables kids?" Yessir!

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-01-2015 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498016)
Under the radar but I had an audience with Pope. I mentioned how I used to try to fight the liberal dogma here but everyone called me a troll so I stopped�� he gave me a rosary and told me "be strong!" I take that as affirmation I should go back to exposing you all's nonsense.

When the Pope and I sat down, he asked me for advice on whether or not he should see people like you or Kim Davis. I said, Frank, sir, you should sit down and meet with everyone from Fidel Castro on the left to King Salman on the right. I told him he should meet with lunatics like Kim Jong Un, pig-fuckers like Cameron, even total kooks like Davis or Chinaski. Listen to them, I said, ask them to pray for you, give them some rosaries. But for God's sake, keep the meetings with Davis or Chinaski on the down low.

Then we opened a bottle of wine from the Vatican cellar and he dished some dirt on Benedict and we had a good time.

taxwonk 10-01-2015 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 498000)
I love okra or, as I refer to it, bhindi.

There is a bhindi dish, I think from Kerala, that Tastes like babaghanoush on a three-day cumin high. I could live on that shit,

taxwonk 10-01-2015 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 498008)
Next time do it the other way around. Okra is too slimy and the jugs could be dangerous when thrown.

Silly Yankee. If you throw the jugs, you spill the shine.

taxwonk 10-01-2015 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 498010)
I probably watch three out of four of his shows, with a finger on the remote to fast forward. Usually the fast forwarding is for one of his guests, not him, but his opinions on women, Islam, religion in general, the poor, vaccinations, and a few other topics, I could do without. But, there's a lot on his show that I agree with, or at least could be persuaded to come to a middle ground on. I generally like his New Rules, and his guests can be good. By and large, the Islam crap only comes up every now and then, so I can ignore it.

ETA: And as for okra, my favorite versions are a) my mother's gumbo, b) the fried okra at Hartz's Fried Chicken in Brenham, and c) the fried okra salad at Indika.

Is Hartz's the place where they serve family style?

Hank Chinaski 10-02-2015 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 498021)
Is Hartz's the place where they serve family style?

Have you been to Mrs. Wilkes'?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-19-2015 03:10 PM

Irony alert!!! Irony alert!!!
 
Chair of Benghazi Committee decries "personal attacks" on him and his committee.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-21-2015 01:03 PM

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Merkel: Germany accepts responsibility for Holocaust

Putin: Bibi, are we ok blaming the Palestinians for the Pograms?

Hank Chinaski 10-24-2015 09:58 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
John Kerry is a shameless tool. I cannot believe he was seen as a Presidential candidate.

Adder 10-26-2015 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498135)
John Kerry is a shameless tool. I cannot believe he was seen as a Presidential candidate.

If you expect the rest of us to follow along on your little fits of Fox fauxrage, you're going to have to provide links.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-26-2015 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498135)
Jeb Bush is a shameless tool. I cannot believe he was seen as a Presidential candidate.

Agreed, but you could say this about most of the R candidates.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-26-2015 04:09 PM

Jeb, we hardly knew ye
 
Oh Shit. Mom's coming.

Hank Chinaski 10-26-2015 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 498137)
If you expect the rest of us to follow along on your little fits of Fox fauxrage, you're going to have to provide links.

He said he kinda gets why the Israelis are getting hacked and stabbed in the street. I suppose he gets points for admitting being anti-Semitic?

taxwonk 10-27-2015 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498036)
Have you been to Mrs. Wilkes'?

Not yet. I'm having too much fun cooking with regional ingredients. Tonight, greens and neck bones w/corn bread.

Adder 10-27-2015 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498147)
He said he kinda gets why the Israelis are getting hacked and stabbed in the street. I suppose he gets points for admitting being anti-Semitic?

Did he say he agreed with it or that he understood why it was happening?

Because I really doubt that you don't understand why it's happening.

Hank Chinaski 10-27-2015 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 498150)
Did he say he agreed with it or that he understood why it was happening?

Because I really doubt that you don't understand why it's happening.

I know my "understanding" is different than yours. But I do understand why. I'm afraid his "understanding" implies something closer to yours, and that is scary for the future of Israel.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-27-2015 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498151)
I know my "understanding" is different than yours. But I do understand why. I'm afraid his "understanding" implies something closer to yours, and that is scary for the future of Israel.

So from whatever you think his understanding "implies" you get to "admitting being anti-Semitic"?

ThurgreedMarshall 10-27-2015 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498147)
He said he kinda gets why the Israelis are getting hacked and stabbed in the street. I suppose he gets points for admitting being anti-Semitic?

I guess this isn't what you're talking about: http://www.npr.org/2015/10/16/449090...d-palestinians

I'd love to see a link to whatever you're quoting, because I'm guessing the conclusion you're drawing is ridiculous.

TM

Hank Chinaski 10-27-2015 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 498158)
I guess this isn't what you're talking about: http://www.npr.org/2015/10/16/449090...d-palestinians

I'd love to see a link to whatever you're quoting, because I'm guessing the conclusion you're drawing is ridiculous.

TM

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Pol...-crisis-423892

settlements are driving it not simple hatred

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-27-2015 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498159)
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Pol...-crisis-423892

settlements are driving it not simple hatred

You don't think settlements have anything to do with it? Can you identify what you called "antisemitic"?

ThurgreedMarshall 10-27-2015 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498159)
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Pol...-crisis-423892

settlements are driving it not simple hatred

I've never heard of "JPost," so I'll go with the NYT on this. In any case, your accusation of anti-Semitism should cause you extreme embarrassment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/23/wo...ence.html?_r=0

Also, what do you think is behind what you term, "pure hatred?" Do Palestinians hate Jews simply because they are Jewish? Or are they filled with hate and anger partly because they have been ejected from a land they believe is theirs and explode when they view further incursion on Palestinian territory and (in this case) the escalation of an exertion of control over holy sites in violation of a long-standing agreement by Israel?

I try to stay away from Israeli issues because I'm just not well-versed enough in the history to be as opinionated as I typically am. I understand that Israel is surrounded by people who would like to destroy them, but it seems to me that any criticism of Israel by anyone somehow automatically amounts to anti-Semitism, even if it relates to policy.

TM

Hank Chinaski 10-27-2015 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 498162)
I've never heard of "JPost," so I'll go with the NYT on this. In any case, your accusation of anti-Semitism should cause you extreme embarrassment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/23/wo...ence.html?_r=0

TM

I'm assuming there is an earlier quote where he said what the article said he said. If not, then I take it back, but explaining the stabbing of women and children on city streets and the incitement of such by their leaders as having any motivation the US Secretary of State can understand is a fucked up thing.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-27-2015 05:28 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498163)
I'm assuming there is an earlier quote where he said what the article said he said. If not, then I take it back, but explaining the stabbing of women and children on city streets and the incitement of such by their leaders as having any motivation the US Secretary of State can understand is a fucked up thing.

Huh?

Hank Chinaski 10-27-2015 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 498162)
I've never heard of "JPost," so I'll go with the NYT on this. In any case, your accusation of anti-Semitism should cause you extreme embarrassment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/23/wo...ence.html?_r=0

Also, what do you think is behind what you term, "pure hatred?" Do Palestinians hate Jews simply because they are Jewish? Or are they filled with hate and anger partly because they have been ejected from a land they believe is theirs and explode when they view further incursion on Palestinian territory and (in this case) the escalation of an exertion of control over holy sites in violation of a long-standing agreement by Israel?

I try to stay away from Israeli issues because I'm just not well-versed enough in the history to be as opinionated as I typically am. I understand that Israel is surrounded by people who would like to destroy them, but it seems to me that any criticism of Israel by anyone somehow automatically amounts to anti-Semitism, even if it relates to policy.

TM

I responded to your earlier thing, but I agree that it is an unsolvable chicken or the egg thing. I do think that the Palistinians seem to keep escalating the horror of the attacks and too much of the World justifies, or understands, the motivation based upon what Israel did long before the attackers were born. As to whether there would be the same level of Jew hate without "the occupation" that is another chicken/egg. I can't look at it very clearly as my daughter was walking down sidewalks there a year ago where maybe she could be stabbed today.

ThurgreedMarshall 10-28-2015 10:32 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498163)
I'm assuming there is an earlier quote where he said what the article said he said. If not, then I take it back, but explaining the stabbing of women and children on city streets and the incitement of such by their leaders as having any motivation the US Secretary of State can understand is a fucked up thing.

I disagree. If you feel oppressed and removed from what you believe is your land (on which sits many significant religious locations), it makes perfect sense that violence escalates when it looks like your oppressors are taking over more land and restricting you from religious sites. The underlying anger is generations old. But it boils over with each new perceived infraction.

In any case, let's say I didn't disagree. How does what you said above amount to, in any shape or form, anti-Semitism?

TM


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