Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I have been saying this (to myself) for years! I didn't have any scientific evidence and shit, other than my personal experience. I've always been very active, but didn't ever really lose much weight (a few pounds here and there, but nothing drastic), and had to be mindful of what I ate if I didn't want to gain any.

When I broke my leg, I was strictly forbidden from doing ANY physical activity, and I worried about weight-gain, because I wouldn't have any opportunity for exercise. As a result, I was SUPER careful about what I ate, and I lost 15 pounds over about 7 or 8 weeks.

I mentioned this to my trainer (after I was cleared for physical activity), and he acknowledged (reluctantly, of course, given his line of work!) that limiting calorie-consumption is the real key to weight loss. I think this is especially true for those who are trying to lose fewer than 10 pounds.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

That is excellent advice.

Not only am I a sanctimonious jackass, I have a mild eating disorder, so I am trying to stay out of it completely and provide only objective, third-party advice.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

My trainer was forced to reluctantly acknowledge the same. I love exercising, but it's never enabled me to lose any significant weight.

Re: Lady GaGa
 

I feel dirty now. Like I had been caught doing something really shameful.

Re: Lady GaGa
 

I never heard of her before today. But then, I'm old and out of touch.

The Perfect Job for DTB
 

Via twitter: "You know what we would love to have on The Awl? A grammar column. Anyone interested? Drop us a line: notes@theawl.com"

I hope he lost some weight...
 

But from the tone of the board today, it seems unlikely.

Eddie Izzard does 43 marathons in 51 days: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8257587.stm

Sounds unpossible, but apparently not.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Won't swallow?

Re: The Top 10 White Trash Heroes of Cinema
 

2

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I eat protein.

Re: I hope he lost some weight...
 

There is a movie coming out called My Run about a guy who ran 75 marathons in 75 days.

http://www.myrunmovie.com/

That's crazy.

Re: P&P On YouTube
 

I used to work with a partner who raced in the same club/league/whatever as Paul Newman. That was definitely not white trash racing.

On the other hand, if your future FIL does demolition derby, that's totally white trash.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Give him a deck of cards. Nothing on his plate should be larger than that deck of cards, his plate should be just big enough to hold three decks. At each meal, one deck should be protein, one should be vegetable, and the third deck can be starch (but another vegetable is preferable).

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

careful e/o- the last one to take this advice was adder, and he needs two airplane seats now- http://www.magician4closeupmagic.co.uk/Jumbo_Cards.jpg

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

If you expect this to work, don't show him Sidd's picture.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I could write more if I wasn't busy stuffing my face with more than I should have had for lunch, but what I have tried to do is focus first on food choices. Substitute carrot sticks for the popcorn, and limit snacking to fresh fruits and vegitables. That way you can eat when you are hungry, and until you are full, without loading up on calories.

I have also looked for easy ways to trim out calories, like not getting cheese or mayo (never really ate much mayo) on my sandwhich for lunch, substituting turkey breast for ham, and not getting chips or other sides (unless its carrots). It is also pretty easy to substitute ground turkey for ground beef in most recipes. And of course eating salad as a meal much more often, controlling the amount of dressing carefully.

I've found that I have learned to prefer eating this way, and, for example, when I go home to visit the parents and suddenly substitute red meat and potatoes for my usual diet that is heavier on fruit and vegitables that I can feel the difference and crave the fruit.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

When my get-up-and-go has got up and went
I hanker fer a hunk o’ cheese

It’s a real winner, and yet won’t spoil my dinner
I hanker fer a hunk o’ cheese

I hanker fer a hunk o’, a slab or slice or chunk o’
I hanker fer a hunk o’ cheese!

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Neither of these pieces says much.

If you exercise you will be more hungry and will overcompensate by thinking, "I can eat more because I just burned X calories." Okay. Don't eat more.

You don't lose much more weight when you work out and change your eating habits than you do when you just change your eating habits. Okay. But if you work out, you will increase your muscle mass, which will make it seem like you're not losing much weight. The truth is, people care about losing fat. And if you work out and eat better, you will lose fat. Also, saying you won't lose that much more weight working out in combination with eating better doesn't make much sense because those extra 3 pounds on top of the 17 you would have lost eating right are probably impossible to lose with a change in diet alone.

All of this discussion about how to lose weight is pointless. It is very easy. Burn more calories than you take in. Do this by eating a more healthy diet and exercising regularly (and that means real exercise, not treadmill walking where you don't even build up a sweat).

TM

Re: P&P On YouTube
 

You know, even Europeans can be WT. It's not exactly an exclusive club.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Y-DbBvf7R5...0/38824923.jpg

And do you know how many Tennessee Williams flix Paul Newman was in?

Re: I hope he lost some weight...
 

1. That is insane.

2. The volume feature on the media player used by this BBC website goes to 11.

TM

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Yes. I am so weary of the arguments that fail to address this very simply truth.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

In my experience, calories in, calories out was never the answer.

I tracked everything meticulously with a kitchen scale, worked with a nutritionist, had a trainer twice a week, worked out with a hrm to measure my intensity, and stepped on a very complicated scale every day.

I never saw as much progress as I did when I changed my diet subtly, dropped my calories lower, and stopped exercising as the result of a broken bone.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I hate running, and I don't think my knees could take it. But I have found that riding a bike, even for what I consider relatively long distances (20-35 miles), works for me.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I love the fat guys in the gym who spend all their time doing ab work and lifting. Just stop. If you don't do any cardio, you're not helping anything. Hell, you're never even going to see your abs.

Why do people think situps will make their stomach look ripped? A healthy diet and cardio is the only thing that will allow you to see your abs.

TM

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

whichever sock wasted the "doesn't swallow" line earlier- look at the above set-up and realize the harm you have done.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Yep. For women, situps actually tend to make the waist thicker. I think core work (not situps or ab workouts) and general good posture make for a much more pleasing female physique. And, of course, no ab/core work will make a difference whatsoever if there is a layer of fat over it. Cardio with a strong core is the best ab workout, IMHO. I am doing a core workout right now as I sit at my desk. I haven't done a situp in years. And I have enviable abs.

I also am perplexed when I see people who want to lose 30+ pounds working on the stability ball. ?????? What tiny muscle are you trying to define, and how are we going to see it through the adipose tissue? CARDIO my friends.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I am skeptical. I would like to know what "subtly" means. I would also like to know why you think 2 days a week with a trainer would lead to much.

I also don't understand what tracking everything with a kitchen scale does for you. There is no need to be meticulous. If you eat fruits and veggies primarily, with small amounts of healthy proteins and carbs, you will most assuredly be at a caloric intake level that works. If you do a real 30-60 minute work out every day, combined with that diet, you will lose a lot of weight. If you want to keep it off, eat a very healthy breakfast and lunch every day and have a sensible dinner. If you do that, you can have those days once a week or twice a month when you eat whatever the hell you want (within reason, of course).

TM

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I'm telling you, it's all about the AS SEEN ON TV! pull-up bar!

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I really only lost weight when I was eating the most I've ever eaten (about 4000-5000 calories/day). But at that time I was running 50-80 miles per week.

Now, at about 30 miles per week (with about 20 of that on the weekend), I don't eat nearly as much and am 10 lbs heavier.

ETA: I was too skinny back then,though. Almost...French.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I worked out with a trainer 2x per week (mentioned only because I had someone with me 2 hours a week pushing me hard not allowing me to slouch around the gym) and did cardio for 60-90 minutes 4 days/week with a hrm (also tracked by my trainer), and saw less progress than when I simply stopped eating carbs.

I do not recommend what worked for me for everyone, which is why I referred to it as subtle. I stopped eating carbs. I dropped my calories by maybe 100 a day when I could not exercise. Because I tracked everything, I know what worked for me and what did not. I am not guessing. I know. I know day by day my food and nutrient intake.

I lost weight and have successfully maintained it. Then I started working out again to tone, etc.

All I am saying to you is that cal in/cal out is a little more complicated than simple math.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Apropos of Something, I just had a physical and the doc told me to lose some more weight. Fucking fuck fuck fuckitty fucker -- I had to pay a $10 co-payment for that? I mean, duh -- I have a fucking mirror.

E/O, care to incentivize?


eta: Thurgreed, don't even bother responding.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

How about a picture of boobies?

http://gallery.photo.net/photo/7536047-md.jpg

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

You sounds like a crazy person to me, but whatever.

Two additional thoughts. First, (which is perhaps obvious), but your friend should avoiding eating out or ordering in. It is much easier to control what (and how much) you eat if you cook it yourself, and easier to avoid unhealthy choices if you were disciplined while at the grocery store, which is easier than being disciplined while looking at a menu.

Second, he shouldn't be thinking about it as dieting or losing weight. His goal should be to be healthy, by eating healthy and getting enough exercise, which should lead to the weight loss automatically. Your experience, as someone who seems never to have had a health need to lose weight, isn't really relevant at all.

Get the Princess Bed Ready!
 

The first 5 minutes of the new season of Grey's Anatomy.

Thurgreed better have plenty of tissues ready.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watc..._of_greys.html

Re: I hope he lost some weight...
 

They already made a movie about this guy - it was called "Forrest Gump."

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I did the "stop eating carbs" thing once and it had a dramatic effect on weight loss. I was exercising a lot at the time, but still -- it did have a huge effect. (Problem is, carbs are yummy.)


So, I'm saying, you aren't a total nut-job. Even if you really do know day by day your food and nutrient intake, which I gotta say wigs me out a bit.

Re: I hope he lost some weight...
 

Okay, that's weird -- he ran 75 consecutive marathons to bring attention to the plight of single-parent families, after his wife died. What the hell did he do with his kids?

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

There's been articles that show that tracking what you eat will have an impact on the number of calories you consume.

I go through periods where I religiously track my food (at fitday.com) and times where I am rather lacksadasical about it.

The Return of the Vibrators
 

Normally, I post links to Volokh on the Politics Board, but this one deals RT's pet issue and has been discussed here. Vibrators may yet go to the U.S. Supreme Court - http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2...tml#1253032890

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Dropping carbs altogether ain't exactly a subtle change. But whatever.

Maybe you should stop swallowing.

TM

*Sorry. Couldn't help it.