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ThurgreedMarshall 10-28-2015 10:37 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498165)
I responded to your earlier thing, but I agree that it is an unsolvable chicken or the egg thing. I do think that the Palistinians seem to keep escalating the horror of the attacks and too much of the World justifies, or understands, the motivation based upon what Israel did long before the attackers were born. As to whether there would be the same level of Jew hate without "the occupation" that is another chicken/egg. I can't look at it very clearly as my daughter was walking down sidewalks there a year ago where maybe she could be stabbed today.

Just because it happened before they were born doesn't turn it into something other than what it is. I didn't suffer through slavery, Jim Crow, lynching, or severe racism. But I have anger about that stuff and the legacy of it I'm forced to deal with. You can say that I shouldn't have that anger because I didn't experience the overwhelming horror, but is someone who says they understand my anger anti-white?

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-28-2015 01:27 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 498171)
I disagree. If you feel oppressed and removed from what you believe is your land (on which sits many significant religious locations), it makes perfect sense that violence escalates when it looks like your oppressors are taking over more land and restricting you from religious sites. The underlying anger is generations old. But it boils over with each new perceived infraction.

In any case, let's say I didn't disagree. How does what you said above amount to, in any shape or form, anti-Semitism?

TM

For a party that never seems to elect or appoint anyone Jewish to public office, Republicans these days are sure throwing a lot of antisemitism charges at the party that does.

Hank Chinaski 10-28-2015 03:36 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 498171)
How does what you said above amount to, in any shape or form, anti-Semitism?

TM

poor word choice. less Israeli supporting that I might expect is what I meant.

Here's something else, I spend a month each fall in the City, this is the sixth year. I don't see gradual change so I might notice it where I might not if I lived here all year.

the number of people who are begging has increased dramatically each of the last few years, but worse, the apparent level of desperation has spiked. you can't barely sit on a long train ride without running into someone making a "car-wide" plea that might make you cry. I don't have an answer but something needs to happen.

Hank Chinaski 10-28-2015 03:37 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 498173)
For a party that never seems to elect or appoint anyone Jewish to public office, Republicans these days are sure throwing a lot of antisemitism charges at the party that does.

unless you've experienced a Jewish MIL please don't mansplain to me about this.

ThurgreedMarshall 10-28-2015 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498175)
poor word choice. less Israeli supporting that I might expect is what I meant.

If people would take a step back, they may realize that a touch of empathy--as opposed to complete and total fealty to the Israeli state and whatever comes from Netanyahu--might improve matters. If you're killing Palestinians at a rate of 6 per every Israeli death, then it may be best not to inflame the already-high tension levels on the Palestinian side. Hell, as far as I can tell, Palestinian leaders were more upset with Kerry based on (the totality of) what he said than Israelis were. If he were able to diffuse some of that anger, wouldn't that be better than saying?: "Palestinians have become more violent recently because they hate Jews."

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498175)
Here's something else, I spend a month each fall in the City, this is the sixth year. I don't see gradual change so I might notice it where I might not if I lived here all year.

the number of people who are begging has increased dramatically each of the last few years, but worse, the apparent level of desperation has spiked. you can't barely sit on a long train ride without running into someone making a "car-wide" plea that might make you cry. I don't have an answer but something needs to happen.

I guess the question is, what do you want to do?

We can go the Giuliani route and either arrest the homeless or push them to the "non-premium" neighborhoods so it looks like they don't exist. Or we could provide housing and programs that might help them get some food, shelter, and mental care. Of course, apparently, absolutely no one wants a homeless shelter anywhere near their "premium" neighborhood and no one wants to pay for any of that, but everyone wants the problem fixed. Magic maybe?

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-28-2015 05:25 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498176)
unless you've experienced a Jewish MIL please don't mansplain to me about this.

Teach thy tongue to say "I do not know" and thou shalt progress.

Hank Chinaski 10-28-2015 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 498184)
Teach thy tongue to say "I do not know" and thou shalt progress.

ummm, talking Philadelphia JMIL here, that I'm ignorant is an unfortunate fact she assumes from the start. But thanks for playing!

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-28-2015 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498185)
ummm, talking Philadelphia JMIL here, that I'm ignorant is an unfortunate fact she assumes from the start. But thanks for playing!

Um, that's an old Maimonides quote, one popular among JMILs.

But I'm a little frightened by your Philly JMIL reference. I hope we aren't related.

Adder 10-29-2015 10:27 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498165)
based upon what Israel did long before the attackers were born.

As though nothing has happened, or escalated, in recent years...

taxwonk 11-02-2015 12:49 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 498162)
I've never heard of "JPost," so I'll go with the NYT on this. In any case, your accusation of anti-Semitism should cause you extreme embarrassment.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/23/wo...ence.html?_r=0

Also, what do you think is behind what you term, "pure hatred?" Do Palestinians hate Jews simply because they are Jewish? Or are they filled with hate and anger partly because they have been ejected from a land they believe is theirs and explode when they view further incursion on Palestinian territory and (in this case) the escalation of an exertion of control over holy sites in violation of a long-standing agreement by Israel?

I try to stay away from Israeli issues because I'm just not well-versed enough in the history to be as opinionated as I typically am. I understand that Israel is surrounded by people who would like to destroy them, but it seems to me that any criticism of Israel by anyone somehow automatically amounts to anti-Semitism, even if it relates to policy.

TM

I can't even tell you the number of times that goyim have called me anti-Semitic for pointing out that it takes two sides to engage in combat. I imagine it's kind of like how you feel when white folks try to tell you what it's like to be black in NYC. Except of course that I'm safely removed from the danger by a few thousand miles.

taxwonk 11-02-2015 12:54 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498165)
I responded to your earlier thing, but I agree that it is an unsolvable chicken or the egg thing. I do think that the Palistinians seem to keep escalating the horror of the attacks and too much of the World justifies, or understands, the motivation based upon what Israel did long before the attackers were born. As to whether there would be the same level of Jew hate without "the occupation" that is another chicken/egg. I can't look at it very clearly as my daughter was walking down sidewalks there a year ago where maybe she could be stabbed today.

There is an easy way around the chicken/egg problem. Just stop.

taxwonk 11-02-2015 12:57 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 498184)
Teach thy tongue to say "I do not know" and thou shalt progress.

I'm offering coaching on that.

Hank Chinaski 11-02-2015 01:47 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 498211)
I can't even tell you the number of times that goyim have called me anti-Semitic.

fuck you. your kids are no more Jewish than mine.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-02-2015 03:52 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 498211)
I can't even tell you the number of times that goyim have called me anti-Semitic for pointing out that it takes two sides to engage in combat. I imagine it's kind of like how you feel when white folks try to tell you what it's like to be black in NYC. Except of course that I'm safely removed from the danger by a few thousand miles.

No, no, no. You're not anti-Semitic, you're a self-hating Jew. Tell these people to get their slurs right.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-02-2015 04:03 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Any predictions on who the first person will be to show up in both the Ashley Madison and KKK data dumps?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-02-2015 04:04 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 498213)
I'm offering coaching on that.

Teach thy tongue to say $400 an hour and thou shalt prosper.

Hank Chinaski 11-02-2015 10:23 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 498212)
There is an easy way around the chicken/egg problem. Just stop.

I've not heard the Israelis are arming children with knives to fight back, so maybe they are following your really intelligent advice?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-04-2015 05:12 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Dumb clucks.

Hank Chinaski 11-04-2015 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 498243)

Please baby Jesus make this be true! We just got one at the Detroit airport and I've been dying to eat one!

Hank Chinaski 11-05-2015 05:14 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
http://www.texasstandard.org/stories...amacare-plans/

can you guys explain again how you didn't fuck up the average person's health care?

Icky Thump 11-06-2015 02:44 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
The New York City public education system was so impressed with me, they gave me a full scholarship. Free all through high school.

Adder 11-09-2015 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 498251)
The New York City public education system was so impressed with me, they gave me a full scholarship. Free all through high school.

I bet you didn't even have to apply. One day at opera practice you met Fiorello La Guardia and he just offered you a scholarship on the spot.

taxwonk 11-09-2015 11:47 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498214)
fuck you. your kids are no more Jewish than mine.

I wasn't referring to you. But while you've brought the topic up....

When Groucho Marx first went out to California, he wanted to join a beach club. He was told the club didn't accept Jews as members. He responded "my kids are only half-Jewish; can they go in to their knees?"

Hank Chinaski 11-09-2015 02:58 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 498259)
I wasn't referring to you. But while you've brought the topic up....

When Groucho Marx first went out to California, he wanted to join a beach club. He was told the club didn't accept Jews as members. He responded "my kids are only half-Jewish; can they go in to their knees?"

My wife's maiden name was Kravitz. The sperm doner has no hand in it. My kids are 100% Jewish. If Groucho's wife was goyim, his kids are 0% Jewish. You know that.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-09-2015 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498261)
My wife's maiden name was Kravitz. The sperm doner has no hand in it. My kids are 100% Jewish. If Groucho's wife was goyim, his kids are 0% Jewish. You know that.

I hope they've converted, because the Rapture is coming...

Adder 11-09-2015 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 498262)

I thought the old JC couldn't come back until all the Jews are converted, or something like that.

ThurgreedMarshall 11-10-2015 04:34 PM

Oops
 
Wrong spot.

Hank Chinaski 11-12-2015 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 498273)
Wrong spot.

that what she said.

Sidd Finch 11-13-2015 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 498281)
that what she said.

It took you two days to come up with that?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-13-2015 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 498287)
It took you two days to come up with that?

I look forward to TM bringing his picture galleries over here. Wonder what the political angle to them will be?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-16-2015 11:36 AM

Ain't Gonna Take It
 
So Josh Marshall is starting to get all warm and fuzzy about Assad. Expect paeans to Hezbollah to follow.

I'm just glad we have a better relationship with Iran right now.

ThurgreedMarshall 11-17-2015 11:25 AM

Perspective?
 
https://scontent-yyz1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...55&oe=56B37BC6

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-17-2015 12:12 PM

Re: Perspective?
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 498298)

For comparison, the American Klan is likely a bit smaller than shown for al Qaeda there and the American Militia movement is about the same size as shown for the Taliban (I don't know the source of those numbers, which seem a bit low to me in al Q.'s case in particular since it is such a decentralized, difficult to enumerate operation). But the Klan and Militia exist in a stable society with a functioning government and police force.

Icky Thump 11-17-2015 12:40 PM

Re: Perspective?
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 498298)

Percentage of Muslims who have disavowed their faith based on extremist terrorists?

Icky Thump 11-17-2015 12:45 PM

Re: Perspective?
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 498299)
For comparison, the American Klan is likely a bit smaller than shown for al Qaeda there and the American Militia movement is about the same size as shown for the Taliban (I don't know the source of those numbers, which seem a bit low to me in al Q.'s case in particular since it is such a decentralized, difficult to enumerate operation). But the Klan and Militia exist in a stable society with a functioning government and police force.

Number of Klan who have advanced a particular religion as supporting their agenda?

Same for American militia.

Icky Thump 11-17-2015 12:49 PM

Re: Perspective?
 
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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 498300)
Percentage of Muslims who have disavowed their faith based on extremist terrorists?

Dunno bout you guys but the Catholic church's goofiness on birth control, women's right to choose have caused me to abandon it.

I want to see a similar reaction by supposedly peaceful Muslims based on unabashed murder. Let me see them abandon their faith en masse.

Adder 11-17-2015 01:43 PM

Re: Perspective?
 
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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 498300)
Percentage of Muslims who have disavowed their faith based on extremist terrorists?

Non-zero.

Adder 11-17-2015 01:44 PM

Re: Perspective?
 
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Originally Posted by icky thump (Post 498302)
number of klan who have advanced a particular religion as supporting their agenda?

Same for american militia.

100%?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-17-2015 03:50 PM

Re: Perspective?
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 498306)
100%?

Absolutely 100% for the Klan. It is an explicitly Protestant Christian organization. Anti-semitic and anti-Catholic as well, because they're real nice people that way. I am shocked Icky doesn't know this.

The militia have a variety of different organizations, most explicitly christian fundamentalist but a few more of the nazi variety.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-17-2015 03:56 PM

Re: Perspective?
 
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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 498303)
Dunno bout you guys but the Catholic church's goofiness on birth control, women's right to choose have caused me to abandon it.

I want to see a similar reaction by supposedly peaceful Muslims based on unabashed murder. Let me see them abandon their faith en masse.

Why do you think there aren't plenty of ex-Muslims out there?

Is this comment based on any knowledge, or are you just talking out your ass?

It comes across like the idiots over the last couple days who keep asking why Muslims haven't disavowed or condemned Paris, to which we see thousands of responses along the lines of "Try Google, Moron."


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