Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Exactly. And cal in is different for different people. And the cal in measurements are often very wrong. Cal out varies considerably as you change weight, which is why training for a race is more likely to result in weight loss than steady going to the gym and working out the same amount every time you go. Each week you're building miles and running more than the week before. As you lose more weight and your body becomes more efficient (in part because of muscle build up, in part because you're not having to work as hard to move as much bulk around), you need to expend more energy to burn the same amount of calories.

Re: Get the Princess Bed Ready!
 

I gave up on this show mid-season the second of third season. What's her name was too fucking annoying.

TM

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Just a thought. For some "fat guys" (not all, but some) a sudden increase in activity presents health risks, especially if they have certain cardiac or circulatory problems. Many times, their doctors will prescribe a limited set of exercises to get them into the habit of movoing and begin to slowly improve cardio-pulmonary function. Their cardio may well consist of walking home instead of taking a cab, or walking up the three flights of stairs when they get home.

I'm not disagreeing with your general proposition. However, there are countervailing health issues. In addition, there are also a significantnumber of studies that suggest that if someone is morbidly obese, no exercise or diet regimen alone will produce meaningful weight loss. For some people, surgical intervention will be their only real chance at weight loss.

This stuff isn't always as simple as you suggest.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

My doc was more helpful at the last check up. He said his only worry was that my cholestral was moving into a "grey zone" - not bad yet, not good either - and that would be helped by either more exercise or a bit of weight loss or getting younger.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

i worked with a guy who was scared of cardiacs- family history of dead by 50 parents. he rode his bike to work, ate nothing unhealthy at all, and would run when he got home.

I saw him waiting for an elevator once and I knew he was going up 2 stories. I go "Andy, WTF? why wouldn't you walk up?" he told me that stairs are too intense and too short term so as to be more dangerous that helpful.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I prefer tits.

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Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

JFC. This board is rapidly moving down the slope to discussions of Viagra, Cialis, and Metamucil.*

*In an old-people-in-a-bathtub way.

Re: Get the Princess Bed Ready!
 

This statement applies to virtually every female character on the show!

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

You know you still love me.

I don't track it as carefully for the past couple of years, but I can still spitball it pretty accurately at any given time.

I indulge -- like tonight when the lma and I will cap our workout with either pizza or chinese, or, if he is feeling "fat," sushi for him and sashimi for me -- but I pay attention and balance everything.

That's easy for me now, but that's not a weight loss plan that will work for my friend. In my opinion, he needs to take a hard look at his lifestyle and adjust his nutrition, exercise (he does play a sport competitively), and drinking. But, since he knows I have a mild ed, I don't have credibility on the issue.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

It varies widely. I can walk for miles at a decent enough clip to get my heart rate over 125 (which for me is good) but I can't walk up the stairs from the basement without getting completely winded and having to sit down. I also can't run a block without having severe chest pain. On the other hand, I know people with cardiac problems who could keep up with Flower in a spin class, but can't walk to the park.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Oh, boo-hoo. Every time anyone comments on the obvious inferiority of fat people, you have to bring up your bum heart.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

So what. We're much thinner than the generation below us. We'll probably outlive them all. Remember that fat kid in class? Now half the class is that fat. Eventually, we will probably just eat them since they contain so little carbs. Mmmmmmmmm, fatty, marbled children....

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

could flower engage in sexual intercourse for more than 15 seconds, if he could?

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I'm sorry, but you lost me at "spitball."

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

And now we've come full circle (pun intended!).

Or at least I have.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Really? Why would getting your heart rate up in spin class be o.k., but walking to the park be a problem?

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Parks have MILFs.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

So do spin classes. And they are wearing less in spin class.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I had uterbraten for lunch!

Snuggies at Fashion Week
 

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Snuggies for the dog???
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Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Are there hot, young nannies in spin class?

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Clearly I'm not talking about these people. If you're at the gym and you spend all your time lifting and doing abs and you're 50 pounds overweight, I cannot possibly imagine that doing some cardio work will kill you. Similarly, I doubt the doctor's advice consisted of doing 40 reps of bench press with tremendous amounts of weight and 100 half-ass crunches. But maybe they're just interested in being stronger and don't care about losing fat. But that doesn't explain why so many stupid ab trainers and 5 minute ab tapes are sold, does it?

I haven't read the studies, but on every single one of those shows where they are tracking someone who is morbidly obese, they are morbidly obese because they eat tens of thousands of calories a day and have reached a point where they can barely move at all. At this point, I don't think your heart could sustain the work required to pump blood around a body that taxed. And I'm not saying the simple rule I proposed applies to everyone. (And I bet EO was already at a point where she couldn't lose that much more weight, so a "subtle" change like cutting out all carbs would do a lot.) But I could take anyone on this board who was overweight, and if I could control what they ate and how much they exercised, they would lose weight.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I know you're looking to hire, and take my advice: Eastern European Au Pairs.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Please to explain.

TM

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

This reminds me of some helpful golf advice I once dispensed. If you find you practice and practice, yet your score isn't improving, your best bet is to go back and take up the game at a much younger age.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Yes. This is why shows like The Biggest Loser result in significant weight loss for the players.

A person is not obese because she eats beef instead of turkey, enjoys butter on her toast, or ate a slice of chocolate cake last Saturday. A person is obese because she consistently consumes more calories than she burns.

Being at one's ideal weight does not require restrictive dieting or hunger....unless the person is overweight and needs to lose weight to reach her ideal weight. "Diets" won't work in the long run unless they are actually a LIFESTYLE CHANGE and not a diet at all. Move more, eat smarter.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I hadn't thought about that. I thought he was suggesting I get a 20-something trophy wife.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Of course! And this is one of the few times they are unburdened by screaming children. It just makes no sense that Taxwonk's friend can go to a spin class in a hot studio, cranking his heart rate well above 80% for sustained periods of time, with a cute nanny to his right, a MILF training for a triathlon to his left, and a cougar with breast implants next to her, all three wearing tight shorts and jog bras, and he is fine. But he strolls to the park and it's lights out?

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

I am thinking about trying to golf left-handed. I am a righty who bats left (in baseball). Swinging things (even my crank when trying knock down liquor bottles) always feels better left-handed.

ETA: Yes, I know it's a horrible idea.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Muggers?

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

This is the second time you've used this expression today and the second time I've wondered what you've meant.

Because in my experience, there's no such thing.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Wonk has mild ed. Which is why he prefers semicolons.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

You need an explanation? She keeps track of everything she eats, including use of a scale, and works out with a trainer but still thought she needed to lose 10 lbs so she made the "subtle" change of cutting out carbs.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Penske's fastest riding was done in a brazillian cut speedo (desoto) and carbon sole (lite weight) bike shoes. Maybe a pair of Oakleys. anything more is for pussies and Aunt Beas, although that may be a distinction without a difference.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

She's got an ed and doesn't want us all being a pain in her stunning ass about it.

No worries, e/o, whatever you have to deal with, don't worry, we have your backside.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Doc Burger gave him a prescription, so now he's in the bathtub with a colon.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Because he typically smokes on the way to the park.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Mr Man and I are both lefties who golf right-handed. It probably doesn't matter for me, as I was never much of a slugger at softball, but it does feel right (as in correct) to have my stronger arm forward during my swing. I think it is pretty common for left-handed people to be told to play right-handed, particularly in my generation because there were more/better club options, etc. I was taught both ways as a kid and basically chose to play righty when I took up the game as an adult. I still sometimes have to think through which way to stand when putting, but that is probably due to my mild putting disorder.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

Phil "Manboobs" Mickelson is a righty who golfs left-handed.

Re: Fat Oprah vs Thin Oprah
 

No helmet? That might explain a few things.