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I, for one, was very glad to see that this time.

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You thought they were burning "plus" signs?

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I think the European press is better on reporting than the American - I noticed that almost every French reporter included quotes from Muslim leaders in their articles on the attack, something you just don't see over here.

I have a large group of people I follow from various MENA countries on twitter, and it is constantly full of negative statements on terrorist incidents that don't get noticed over here.

I will also say, it is good to see Thurgreed disavowing Ben Carson.

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It's also just a very different attack in terms of scale and target. There was an undercurrent last time of "Charlie Hebdo was insulting…."

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Bigotry isn't a religion.

Variety. No specific religious tenet.

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Ok, so I have to dig for it in European news or islamic twitter feeds. Cool. And it's great that they have condemned the terrorist attacks. Also cool. I thought they would like be "meh" at worst. I guess there's no reason to question religion, faith or even a specific stupid fucking holy book if they at least agree that shooting people is bad.

Well done.

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This is what's known as a prejudice, as opposed to a criticism.

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This is my point.

But the Klan is certainly a Christian organization, and one whose reign of terror lasted many decades in this country, and who many in the south still feel, well, "meh" about, as you put it. None of us think the Klan defines Christianity, though, do we?

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I don't get that, but if I missed that it's on me.

Just a bit. I always thought of the Klan as an organization based on insane notions of race -- and clearly an organization that would make me opt out of the white race if possible. As far as my use of "meh" my sarcasm font must not work on all browsers.

Doesn't matter for me as I have opted out for far less.

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And to clarify. I know muslims have condemned the attack. Duh. I want them to condemn and abandon the religion.

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Looking for converts to your religious views, aye?

Sorry, I used to be an atheist, but then I realized all the shit being done in the name of atheism, from Stalin to Cambodia, and disavowed it.

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Would I ever avow that motherfucker?

TM

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I love when you call me a racist.


But I will say: It was good to see white southerners not only disavow the racism of Dylann Roof, but join in the call for removing the racist symbol that he worshipped.

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He was drawing an analogy: I have asserted that, given that a number of people from very different countries and circumstances have been drawn into supporting violent and radical Islam, muslim leaders generally had a need to look at how Islam was being taught and speak out against the teaching that helps draw so many into committing or supporting such actions. Not because they "owe" this but because the muslims susceptible to being radicalized by the extremist forms of Islamic teaching aren't going to listen to me when I say "that's not Islam."

Thus, I must also believe that you are responsible for renouncing a black person's views. Because, y'know, Ben Carson advocates that what he believes is what black people should believe.

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I'd entirely forgotten that you had pulled that all muslims need to take responsibility for acts by any bullshit. I was more ridiculing the current people preaching this idiocy on fox et al.

I trust by now most people actually following what is going on have realized that the boots on the ground actually fighting Isis are overwhelming Muslim, and we're really just providing air support for them. Asking the folks in the foxholes to repudiate the people they're shooting at....

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You mean these mainstream Muslim Turks? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...-Istanbul.html

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Hoping they give this guy a proper Muslim burial as opposed to putting him in a casket made of bacon . . .

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Don't know if this is true or not:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a6738741.html

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Could be sort of like the "Let's Go Rangers" chant common at MSG during the SSB -- people want to throw me out of various road games for doing it.

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I was thinking about how horrible the PAris stuff was, people shooting random people in a theatre, and how such acts could really change how we go about our lives. Then I realize we already live in a culture where people with automatic rifles shoot random people at theatres and schools. America's gun crazed culture really negates anything new coming from ISIS?

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They can't take Syrian refugee in Texas because it's too easy to get guns...

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Please do take this seriously,because I'm sure you know that was the spirit in which it was intended.

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We don't need to convert. We got a covenant.

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Roughly larger than the number of white folks disavowing their color based on the Klan and the Aryan Brotherhood.

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Every single fucking one of them.

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Having moved down into some Klan and militia territory, I can say based on personal experience that Christ is the cornerstone of their credo. Christ made the White e man superior to the Jews and the mud people.

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Savannah is not Klan country.

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So lots of R operatives calling Trump a fascist- does this attract the loss from Godwin's law, or can you call Hitler a Nazi and still be legit?

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Must be impossible for me to process that then.

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I guess they also believe Christ was a good American, as that was only 200 years ago.

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It is encouraging to see all the "Je Suis Planned Parenthood" expressions out there.

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My family is chairing our affiliate's Roe v. Wade luncheon in January. I assume as soon as the press release went out, we ended up on some bat shit right wing hit list. Fuck those assholes. Just makes me want to fight harder.

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Why do you think they're a bat shit right wing hit squad? Probably better to worry about the leftist transgender support groups....

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For the Sykes-Picot afficianados among you.

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Does anyone really think Rubio or Cruz can win the GOP nomination?

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I officially have no predictions at all for that side of things. It's an unfathomable mess.

The good news is I don't think any of them can actually beat Hillary (yeah, I know, polls).

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I think Rubio can win. Cruz looks like some kind of mix of creepy body snatcher pansy. And he's a fucking lunatic.

TM

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I agree with every word of this.

Rubio worries me, as I think he can win the nomination and the election. That seriously scares me, given the current state of the GOP and the consistent failure of even "mainstream" or establishment Republicans to stop pandering to and feeding the insane beast they created. Hard to imagine how deeply crazy it'll get if they control the WH, Sen, and House. Kansas, anyone?

As for Cruz, my skin crawls when I see his face.

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I grew up near beautiful Poughkeepsie, NY, where the face of the Republican Party was our local boy, G. Gordon Liddy, noted as DA for pulling out a gun and shooting into the ceiling of the courtroom when a judge was ruling against him, and for going on to the Nixon Whitehouse after that.

These guys have always been totally fucking nuts, and it doesn't stop them from getting elected.

I'm afraid of both of them, and they both could win.

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So, people complain about the ignorant and racist things they see from "friends" and family on Facebook all the time. Mostly I don't see it. Either I've scared away all the people that post that shit or I'm super cool and only have non asshat friends.

Then today my cousin's husband, who almost never posts anything, shared a "joke" image of a kid with a text blurb saying, "are you my daddy?" Amidst a bunch of fleeing black men with the caption, "how to break up black live matter protests."

I decided to ignore it. Should I engage? I rarely see this guy and he lives in the middle of nowhere Wisconsin, so I'm not really surprised. On the other hand, he's generally a really nice, soft spoken guy.