Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

No, you would have thought they were losers, not pompous, whining twits, so you wouldn't have bothered poking them.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

More confusion.

What exactly would it take for people to be legitimately upset about the outcome of an election? The FBI making bullshit statements at the last minute, actual voter suppression, and our biggest foreign rival interfering in the results isn't enough?

And what the fuck do you mean you would poked Trump fans for exactly the same thing? What the hell would they have to complain about? (And if you say the press being in the bag for an actual candidate and not a fucking clown, you're an idiot.) They'd be yelling about voter fraud, except THAT SHIT DOESN'T ACTUALLY EXIST. Is that what you're talking about? You'd troll them at one of your cocktail parties over made up shit like you're trolling us over actual issues?

Whatever. This is stupid. I don't know why I'm trying to figure out your thought process because you don't really have one. You just want to seem like an outsider who is above it all when you're really just full of shit.

TM

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I'm taking this as an answer to my question about village idiots with respect to Sebby. It sounds like you think he's not aware of the fact that he sounds full of shit and like a village idiot.

Is that the case with all the Trumpers? Do they not realize what idiots they sound like, or do they just not care and actually enjoy knowing they sound like an idiot.

There is a conversation going on on someone's page over on facebook where a Trumper keeps denying Trump mocked a disabled person, or that it doesn't somehow amount to mocking because Trump is an ass to others, too. Does he not realize that he sounds like a total idiot?

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Different. Sebby isn't an idiot. He just believes his ridiculous arguments about how everyone but him is programmed and how he and his opinions are free as a bird.

That's very different than the person you're describing who is a fucking moron and who will justify anything Trump does because he doesn't have two brain cells to rub together.

TM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Since the election, Sebby seems to be competing with himself for dumbest comment every just about every day.

Sometimes I'm worried we're seeing a degenerative brain disorder at work. But mostly I'm just pissed at his latest idiocy.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

https://i.imgur.com/A5V7svI.png

TM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Oy. Vey.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

You're overrated. Calm down. Fuck you. It's a new voice in the Daily Dose today. Clarence Reid. "Nobody But You Babe." I think we all know who this is going out to. (It's Sebastian.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ut9XQBAol0

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I don't see much difference between the complaints of the Trumpkins pre-election and the complaints of the Hillary fans post-election. "The election was corrupted!" That's the essential pitch. The Trumpkins would've been insufferable.

I'd have poked. Hell, how couldn't you? A vein that rich?

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Since the election, you've offered nothing but a torrent of explanations for why your candidate's loss was not her fault. Everyone else is at fault. Everyone's a fool, or a bigot. Save you, in your bubble.

I have poked you. That's probably bad form. But you're such an easy target. If you don't understand why, I honestly don't know how to help you.

Sometimes, I think I might have a horse in the race. Sometimes, I think it's just wildly interesting to watch people explain why they believe in this or that. I'm not sure either one of us understands me. But I don't care to do so. It's more entertaining to simply run through the debate and see how pretzeled it all becomes. Religion and politics... grandmother advised avoiding them for good reason.

I don't know where this leaves things. But if it makes you feel better to call me stupid - if it's a zero sum game for you, and you need that sort of thing - I'm obviously happy to go along. Just try to be a little more open minded. Being this predictable, this binary, this obvious, risks boring everybody.

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1. I think there's a valid gripe about Comey. That was highly inappropriate. He should be investigated first, the Russians second. This is part of what makes the Russian story look like spin. Somebody's ducking the serious inquiry of a US agency and its head in favor of blaming things on an easy villain.

2. I'd have poked Trump fans who'd have whined about losing. They'd have said it was fixed by a biased media. They'd be correct about general media slant. But as I said earlier, in another post, I'd say all the interference and biases were a wash. The only thing that might've thrown off the balance was Comey. I have no doubt in the least this line would've exited my lips numerous times: "The FBI tried to gift you the election and your guy was such a shitshow he still lost! Get the fuck out of here with your bullshit whining."

I doubt anyone would argue voter fraud around me. That's for the cave dwelling Trumpkins. No sane person buys the notion that exists to an extent anywhere near adequate to sway an election today.

3. I'm not an outsider. I'm just a skeptic.

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I'm flattered you've thought about me enough to construct a Brietbart fan alter ego for me. The problem is, if you go back through our exchanges, it's you who's most quickly and lazily degraded to personal attacks and stereotyping.

I've never said anything along the lines of alt-right gibberish like "cuck." Everyone sees what you're doing here.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

If you have engaged with the real alt-right on Twitter or anywhere else, you know Sebby is in no way alt-right.

I think that Sebby may "short-circuit" some of his rationale, but that's no worse than what others have done. I think I have established I am not a fan of Trump, but I understand why many voted for him over Hillary, and continue to be a bit confused that certain people fail to understand that those same people continued to be turned off by condescension.

But a lot of Trump supporters are idiots too. There's no denying that.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I don't think you're paying attention. My statement on cause of the loss, repeated over and over again, is that in a close election like this every cause is sufficient to explain the loss, so everyone is right. I'm really not terribly interested in why Hilary lost.

However, you are in the category of people who don't recognize the danger of the turkey who won. I continue to be shocked at that. As are many other people. That makes you part of the problem. In an ongoing way, not an historical one.

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By the way, with two well documented plagiarism charges against her, how is Monica Crowley still a nominee? Does Trump have some kind of a bet as to how low he can go?

https://mostlyfilm.files.wordpress.c...g_places02.jpg

If so, he's won already.

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You see no difference between vague and fictious Trumpkin claims and specific allegations made by non-partisan intelligence agencies?? Okay.

I mean, it's one thing to say that you don't find the evidence offered that persuasive and another to pretend that there's none.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

What motivation do the CIA and NSA have to spin?

No, really, they wouldn't. Try basing your belief on facts instead of your imagination.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

The bombshell question on Comey is what communication occurred between Comey and Republican leaders. But that question will never be asked because the Republican leaders now control everyone who might ask it.

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You wouldn't have called them pompous, because you buy the framing that Hillary was supported by the elite and Trump was supported by the rubes.

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If someone else attacks his nominees, it's an attack on him and he won't give in. If his nominees disappoint him, they're gone.

Was Trump ever apparently bothered by any of Chris Christie's scandals? No. But when Jared Kushner went for him, that was it.

Aon
 

This is dated, but worth reading. Washio just gave up the ghost.

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I began the Christmas Holidays thinking that the people on The New York Times Op-Ed page were overwrought. I owe them an apology. We are living on an Orwellian world where lies are truth, lies get "explained" away by the people who are retained to mop up after the President elect (Latest example: Trump didn't mock a disabled reporter; there are countless other examples.) We are going to see this every damn day for the entire duration of Trump's presidency. Not that we didn't see this before the election, but it only seems to have gotten worse

We are going to continue to see false equivalency on a scale previously unimaginable. We are going to see government by Tweet and petty vindictiveness by a man so thin skinned insecure that he will rise to any bait. Putin may die of convulsive laughter; he has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.

Worse than that are the pathetic Republicans who know he is dangerous but who have chosen to forget that he insulted them, and their families personally, in a way that would get your ass handed to you in most venues. These fawning fools make my skin crawl. The people who called him a liar and a fraud and a phony crawled to Trump Tower seeking jobs in the Trump Administration. All in order to secure an agenda that will dramatically make matters demonstrably worse for the people who voted against their economic interests because they felt ignored.

The clown who hated Obamacare but loved the Affordable Care Act is by no mean an isolated case. The religious right sold their collective souls to Trump in one of the greatest acts of self delusion in modern times. The people who think they will be employed in coal mines and factories were conned. The veterans who rally around him ignore the fact that he was a draft dodger.

This emperor has no clothes except the ill fitting crap with a Trump label made by children overseas. He will govern as he has lived: as a moral cypher.

He is indefensible on any level. He is proudly ignorant. If anything good happens it will be in spite of him, not because of him. Those people on the Times editorial page, those elitists, were right.

It will get worse before it gets better. And it won't get better until the Democrats go deeper into their bench for some new blood.

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The publisher has now pulled her book. We'll see if Columbia pulls her degree. This is only possible with the support the Republicans, who are just two pussy-grabber-whipped to object.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Agree completely. The need for new blood, whether of the shiny new penny kind or of the much rarer truly new thinking kind, is key.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Yes, of course. Living in a cave on Mars, I was never aware of the oft-touted point that the average income of a Trump voter was in excess of $70k. And I've never offered the proposition here that I've run into as many if not more well-off to affluent Trumpkins as I have the dirt poor simpleton variety.

Please.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Republicans on the Hill are scared of Trump.

Democrats need to figure out how to tell a story about that, instead of picking seriatim policy fights.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Dude, I have suggested that you are once again offering a sort of false equivalency ("I would have called Trump voters pompous too"), not that you are ignorant. If I really thought you were ignorant, there wouldn't be any point in engaging with you. The false equivalencies grate precisely because you are better informed than many.

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In both instances, you have little more than allegations, as you acknowledge. And that's the point. The evidence is scant. And this report has been run out at breakneck speed.

I find it persuasive, nonetheless. I just don't think it's as relevant as, say, Comey. I also find it a little more than curious people are willing to forgive pretty clear bias on the part of a domestic law enforcement agency - which ought to scare the shit out them - and flip out over the cyber interference of a known adversary. Call me crazy, but with Trump in office, I'm far more concerned about a new JD Edgar Hoover emerging than I am about Putin influencing us.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Dude, I just cited evidence that when you said I bought the framing, you were wrong. If I missed some irony, it's an awful dry vintage.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Again, they don't care what he does as long as he has the same enemies as them. He says he hates Mexicans, Muslims, PC liberals and gays and tells black people that they live in crime-ridden hell holes. That's all that matters.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

It was the lack of new blood that caused this lurid reaction. Bush to Clinton to Bush to Guy Who Was Supposed to Change Things But Turned Out Pretty Conventional to... another Clinton?

To quote an underappreciated gem from a dearly departed Aussie rock juggernaut, a whole lot of us wanted new blood... and we got it.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

No, I don't. In one instance, you have literally no evidence. In the other, you have actual evidence. That's a difference even if you find the evidence offered to be unpersuasive.

It should be disbanded, and not just for this. But it won't be.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

OK, that's fair.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

No one is forgiving Comey for interfering with the election in order to please Republican Senators. Except Republicans. That's what you mean, right?

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

This is a pretty eloquent, if terribly disheartening, summary of Our Times. I think we need to take a step back from time to time and do a little mental summary like this to remind ourselves that this is Not O.K. No, this is not some whimsical four-year jaunt into dark but ultimately harmless absurdism. I can predict the future about as well as Sebastian (which is why, unlike Sebastian, I don't spend most of my time here telling everybody what is going to happen in the future). But, to the extent I can makes guesses, I'm pretty sure a lot of people are going to suffer because of all this. And yes, this is not the End of Times, and the sun still rises every day, but as Oliver noted, the planet's continuing rotation on its axis is a pretty low standard for our expectations as to how things our going in our country and society.

All that being said, I believe that disengaging from time to time is also important, even if it is just to spend a few minutes listening to some sublime funk. Today's Daily Dose is an upbeat funky ass organ jam with Groove Holmes. "Groovin' for Mr. G."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yLJU6j_YEc

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Come on, you can't really dismiss end times as a possibility, right? I mean, you know when they open the second seal there is an orange haired horse who emerges spitting venom - isn't that where we are? And after opening the third seal there is a stone white man carrying balanced scales sitting on top a black beast of burden - Sessions?

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

So do you think Sebby is a secular lawyer?

Whoa.
 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politi...inkId=33252933

TM

All I ask, don't tell anybody the secrets I told you.
 

For me, this is key. But, hey, this is just like Trumpians saying that the system was rigged for Hillary.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

For example:

In the NYT. Make no mistake about it, if vaccine skepticism is given any sort of legitimacy, CHILDREN WILL DIE. But don't worry about that Sebastian, you're not a child. And think of how fun it will be to see the wacky hijinks this Trump fellow gets into during the next four years!