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SEC_Chick 06-13-2006 01:57 PM

Going Back to Work
 
With the impending conclusion of my maternity leave, I am preparing myself to put the Chicklet in daycare 3.5-4 days per week. I have the utmost confidence in the facility, it is only about 6-8 blocks or so from work, and I am certain that she will be fine. I, however, am already a wreck every time I think about it. Does anyone who has been through this have any advice about how to deal practically and emotionally?

I am still BFing, and have worked out that I will have to pump 3x per day to get enough for the next day. Mothers frequently come to the facility to BF at lunch and I haven't yet decided how often I am going to avail myself of that.

robustpuppy 06-13-2006 02:19 PM

Going Back to Work
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SEC_Chick
With the impending conclusion of my maternity leave, I am preparing myself to put the Chicklet in daycare 3.5-4 days per week. I have the utmost confidence in the facility, it is only about 6-8 blocks or so from work, and I am certain that she will be fine. I, however, am already a wreck every time I think about it. Does anyone who has been through this have any advice about how to deal practically and emotionally?

I am still BFing, and have worked out that I will have to pump 3x per day to get enough for the next day. Mothers frequently come to the facility to BF at lunch and I haven't yet decided how often I am going to avail myself of that.
Emotionally, the anticipation is worse than the reality. You will not be a wreck when you actually do it. You may get verklempt or even cry, but you'll be surprised how quickly you adjust to being at work/not being at home.* You will also be comforted when you see the baby bond with her primary caregiver at the facility. It's hard to imagine now, but assuming the caregivers are loving, the baby will actually enjoy being cared for by others (this is not to suggest she will prefer it to being with you all day, just that it will be an enjoyable experience for her). She will probably find day care more enjoyable than you find work.

Practically, the reality may be worse than the anticipation. It's hard getting out the door in the morning and you will always feel very pressed for time. It all sounds obvious, but do what you can to have things pre-arranged -- stuff to take to day care, notes for the day care providers, what she's going to wear, what you're going to wear, your personal bag, etc. Also, think in advance about what you'll have for dinner each night your first week back.

I hate pumping and it's way too much work to pump enough in one day to provide completely for the next, so I try to BF during the day twice and send a bottle or two to cover the gap. My center is much closer than yours, so the only problem with this is timing -- sometimes she's sleeping when I go, or I turn up just before she might have been ready for a nap and she gets all charged up again just seeing me. So, visiting is better for my production and her nutrition, but it can be a bit disruptive to her schedule. I hate messing with her naps because it's hard enough for her to sleep there with all the activity, and the better she naps, the better she sleeps at night.

And of course, this is also obvious, but don't worry about planning out any routine. Once you feel your way to something that works and know it well enough to write it down, you'll adjust it anyway.

*This "adjustment" makes me think of that allegory about the frog swimming in the water that keeps getting warmer until it's boiling and he doesn't realize it before he becomes soup.

lactation lover 06-13-2006 03:28 PM

Going Back to Work
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SEC_Chick
. Mothers frequently come to the facility to BF at lunch and I haven't yet decided how often I am going to avail myself of that.
Let's do lunch! My schedule is wide open!!!

lactation lover 06-13-2006 03:29 PM

Going Back to Work
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy


I hate pumping and it's way too much work to pump enough in one day to provide completely for the next, so I try to BF during the day twice and send a bottle or two to cover the gap. My center is much closer than yours, so the only problem with this is timing -- sometimes she's sleeping when I go, or I turn up just before she might have been ready for a nap and she gets all charged up again just seeing me. So, visiting is better for my production and her nutrition, but it can be a bit disruptive to her schedule. I hate messing with her naps because it's hard enough for her to sleep there with all the activity, and the better she naps, the better she sleeps at night.

Who can sleep at a moment like that!?!?!?!

TexLex 06-14-2006 12:19 AM

Going Back to Work
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SEC_Chick
I am still BFing, and have worked out that I will have to pump 3x per day to get enough for the next day. Mothers frequently come to the facility to BF at lunch and I haven't yet decided how often I am going to avail myself of that.
I have never had to do this, per se, but I did have to pump full-time with the Lexling. Once you get better at pumping, you may only need to pump twice during the workday (possibly even only once) to get enough for her, or one pump and an afternoon feeding or so. Basically, it may take awhile, but your boobs will get better adjusted to the pump and your production will probably increase. At one point with the Lexling I was only pumping twice a day total to get over 30oz, but it took a while to get there. Moo. I'm sure you will do fine, assuming no one at your work is an asshole about letting you pump when you need to, etc.

TexLex 06-14-2006 12:25 AM

In other news....
 
The Lexling (2.5), for reasons unknown, began biting the baby this week: hard and with alarming frerquency. After the standard punishments failed to work, I bit him on the arm and told him, "This is why we don't bite: biting hurts! No more biting!" He cried and I feel kind of bad about it, but he hasn't bitten again, so he must have paid attention, so yay. I'm now wondering if I should bite other people who don't listen to me?


The baby, btw, turns one this month. Whaaaaah.

robustpuppy 06-14-2006 09:23 AM

Going Back to Work
 
Quote:

Originally posted by TexLex
At one point with the Lexling I was only pumping twice a day total to get over 30oz, but it took a while to get there. Moo.
Holy cow. I need to drink more beer or something.

mommylawyer 06-14-2006 09:33 AM

Going Back to Work
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SEC_Chick
With the impending conclusion of my maternity leave, I am preparing myself to put the Chicklet in daycare 3.5-4 days per week. I have the utmost confidence in the facility, it is only about 6-8 blocks or so from work, and I am certain that she will be fine. I, however, am already a wreck every time I think about it. Does anyone who has been through this have any advice about how to deal practically and emotionally?

I am still BFing, and have worked out that I will have to pump 3x per day to get enough for the next day. Mothers frequently come to the facility to BF at lunch and I haven't yet decided how often I am going to avail myself of that.
______________________________________
Having done it twice, I can first say that if you are confident in your childcare choice that is the biggest hurdle! You will be a wreck for a while but it will get easier.
Now for the breastfeeding..pumping sucks but it is doable. With #1, em was at a daycare not too far from work and i would sometimes go to nurse at lunch and i'd also nurse at pick up - the more you can actually nurse, the easier the pumping will be. Also, I hope you have started building up a 'stash'. How is your little one eating, one side or both? if you have a one sider - pump your other side at feeding so that when you transition to pumping, you can pump both sides equally. if you have a two sider, pump the second side after you little one finishes nursing and freeze it.
#2 was home with nanny and it made pumping a lot harder. Get a sign or some signal to put on your door if your offices don't have a lactation room (my old mng p walked in on me - they have a lactation room now). Even if you don't want a huge display in your office, keep some of your baby's stuff in a bag, or drawer to take out - something that smells like your baby - it will help you relax and let down for pumping.

Congrats...breastfeed or else threats aside... i loved bf'ing my kids and wile i didn't like pumping, i managed to do it for both of my kids until age 1.

ml


TexLex 06-14-2006 11:00 AM

Going Back to Work
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Holy cow. I need to drink more beer or something.
Hehe. The kid was drinking 40-50oz/day at one point - how do you think he got to be almost 30lbs at 1 year? It was only because I was EPing....I wouldn't get near that much now if I tried.

TexLex 06-14-2006 11:12 AM

Going Back to Work
 
Quote:

Originally posted by mommylawyer
pumping sucks
So true.

SEC_Chick 06-14-2006 11:28 AM

Going Back to Work
 
Thanks for the advice everyone. It's good to hear from people who have been there-done that. I feel fortunate to have the childcare arrangements that I do, and I know that will at lease alleviate many of my concerns for the Chicklet's well-being. The Chicklet will be 4 months old and I feel lucky to have had that amout of time off.

30 ounces. Holy Cow! That's more than she eats in a day! I am lucky to get 8 at a time! I figure three 5 ounce bottles a day, which I'll have no problem getting, but I am struggling with exactly how much I need. Starting tomorrow I am going to pump/bottle feed during the day to see if I can get that nailed down. I did that once before and after a few days my supply went way up. I have over 100 ounces in the fridge, which though not as much as some people should take care of any shortages. I am also starting her in daycare a week before I return to work to allow her to adjust with a few half days, rather than just dropping her off for 10 hours her first day.

Fortunately my office has a lock on the door, so no walk ins, but i am a little squicked by rinsing off the pump parts in the bathroom. It will also suck to pump when I am at the printer, but I should only have to do that very rarely.

Now I just hope my brain will return from the mush it has become.

robustpuppy 06-14-2006 12:08 PM

Going Back to Work
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SEC_Chick
Fortunately my office has a lock on the door, so no walk ins, but i am a little squicked by rinsing off the pump parts in the bathroom. .
You don't have to do that. MM is anti bacterial even when kept at room temp. for several hours. Stick the pump parts in a ziploc between pumping sessions. If you have a little fridge in your office, stick them in the fridge, too. If you find that makes the flanges uncomfortable cold, then run the bag under warm water. Then bring the flanges and connectors and membranes home at night and wash them at home. (Your own sink may be germy, but them's your germs.)

Buy an extra set of everything to leave at work in case you forget them one day and find yourself ... in an uncomfortable state.

Flinty_McFlint 06-14-2006 12:56 PM

Going Back to Work
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Buy an extra set of everything to leave at work in case you forget them one day and find yourself ... in an uncomfortable state.
Word.

TexLex 06-15-2006 12:58 PM

Work
 
I'd stash an extra shirt in your office as well, just in case.

Hank Chinaski 06-15-2006 01:01 PM

Work
 
Quote:

Originally posted by TexLex
I'd stash an extra shirt in your office as well, just in case.
flinty you should keep an extra pair of slacks at work for similar reasons.

SEC_Chick 06-15-2006 04:32 PM

Work
 
Quote:

Originally posted by TexLex
I'd stash an extra shirt in your office as well, just in case.

Ooooooh. Good idea. I haven't had to wear breast pads in a couple of months, but was planning to start again and keep some in my desk.

RP, thanks for the suggestion re: cleaning the pump parts. That makes me feel much better.

Wank McBumsky 06-15-2006 09:29 PM

Work
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SEC_Chick
Ooooooh. Good idea. I haven't had to wear breast pads in a couple of months, but was planning to start again and keep some in my desk.

Check if yuo work wth NFH...he keeps some breast pads in his desk to wear when posts. Method socking approach.

viet_mom 06-29-2006 08:58 PM

In other news....
 
Quote:

Originally posted by TexLex
After the standard punishments failed to work, I bit him on the arm and told him, "This is why we don't bite: biting hurts! No more biting!" I'm now wondering if I should bite other people who don't listen to me?
You know, it would be so darned funny if while having a tiff with a partner you just came at him with no warning and bit him. That would be some funny video.

Anyhow, I came on here to say hello and to ask for some fun advice on what to do with a middle-aged female neighbor who lives alone with 3 cats and comes home every night at 5:20 pm, opens the door to her porch and then grills while listening to The Band's song, "The Weight":

Take a load off Fanny
Take a load for free
Take a load off Fanny
And (and) (and) you can put the load right on me

over and over again, with the same song played on a continous loop for over 1 hour. What the heck in those lyrics does she relate to? Only thing I can think of is her name is Fanny.

taxwonk 06-30-2006 09:55 AM

In other news....
 
Quote:

Originally posted by viet_mom
You know, it would be so darned funny if while having a tiff with a partner you just came at him with no warning and bit him. That would be some funny video.

Anyhow, I came on here to say hello and to ask for some fun advice on what to do with a middle-aged female neighbor who lives alone with 3 cats and comes home every night at 5:20 pm, opens the door to her porch and then grills while listening to The Band's song, "The Weight":

Take a load off Fanny
Take a load for free
Take a load off Fanny
And (and) (and) you can put the load right on me

over and over again, with the same song played on a continous loop for over 1 hour. What the heck in those lyrics does she relate to? Only thing I can think of is her name is Fanny.
I'd say she pretty obviously hates her life and her job. I'd buy her a bottle of Hendrick's, a bottle of vermouth, and a solid 150 scrip of xanax. Leave them giftwrapped on her front porch.

SEC_Chick 06-30-2006 01:03 PM

Coincidence? I think not.
 
So the Chicklet started daycare thie week and yesterday she was already a poor little sick ball of snot. While she used to be pretty easy-going about the booger sucker, she now loathes it and moves her head side to side very quickly to thwart my attempts. And I am sick today. Yippee!

I know that children in daycare get sick more often than others, but by her fourth day there! Good grief. She was supposed to have her 4 month "well-baby" checkup today, and now I don't know if she'll be able to get her shots. Which means I will get to take time off my first week to take her back when she is feeling better.

On top of it all, almost 4 month pp, I am still having to see my OB about delivery-related problems. Hopefully I will finally be cleared in another 2 weeks. Mr. Chick has been an amazingly good sport about the long dry spell, but will I ever get back to normal.

On the positive side, after 4 months of wearing yoga pants I found out I can fit into my pre-pregnancy jeans. Yay!

TexLex 06-30-2006 04:39 PM

Coincidence? I think not.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SEC_Chick
Multiple Crises
- I understand a lot of daycare babies are sick almost continuously. But on the bright side, by kindy she'll have an incredible immune system.

- Dump the snot sucker and just put her in a steamy bath with Johnson's menthol baby bath - it will just wash out. And Vick's Baby Rub is fabulous - it's like magic.

- Sorry about the dry spell, yay about the jeans. You are way ahead of me there (but have another kid and just see if it is that easy again).

TexLex 06-30-2006 04:48 PM

Happy Birthday, Baby!
 
Baby #2 turned 1 this week. Who came up with the idea of giving babies baked goods with fire on top as part of the festivities? Because, um, without going into details....it turns out that it isn't too good an idea after all. Please don't call CPS on us!

SEC_Chick 07-02-2006 03:18 PM

Coincidence? I think not.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by TexLex
- Dump the snot sucker and just put her in a steamy bath with Johnson's menthol baby bath - it will just wash out. And Vick's Baby Rub is fabulous - it's like magic.
Thanks for the tip. This and some saline drops (sans snot sucker) did the trick and the Chicklet is starting to feel better. Who could have guessed she'd prefer a kleenex?

taxwonk 07-02-2006 05:28 PM

Happy Birthday, Baby!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by TexLex
Baby #2 turned 1 this week. Who came up with the idea of giving babies baked goods with fire on top as part of the festivities? Because, um, without going into details....it turns out that it isn't too good an idea after all. Please don't call CPS on us!
Cake good. Fire bad!

TexLex 07-03-2006 02:32 PM

Coincidence? I think not.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SEC_Chick
Thanks for the tip. This and some saline drops (sans snot sucker) did the trick and the Chicklet is starting to feel better. Who could have guessed she'd prefer a kleenex?
A damp washcloth is always good - gets the crusties off. But don't get rid of the snot sucker - it makes a fabu bath toy...if you put the pointy end right on the bottom off the big bathtub and squeeze the air out quickly, it makes a marvelous farty noise and when full of water, it makes an awesome water shooter! You will appreciate this a lot more when she's bigger.

SEC_Chick 07-19-2006 04:46 PM

Splish Splash
 
So, for the last week, the Chicklet has peed in the bathtub every single time, right after I put her in. Must relax her, but requires me to take her out, dump and rinse the tub and refill it while she complains about having been removed from the warm whiz-inducing water. Attempts to put her feet in first to see if she does it, then taking off her diaper and putting her in the bath have proved unsuccesful. Any ideas?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-19-2006 04:50 PM

Splish Splash
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SEC_Chick
So, for the last week, the Chicklet has peed in the bathtub every single time, right after I put her in. Must relax her, but requires me to take her out, dump and rinse the tub and refill it while she complains about having been removed from the warm whiz-inducing water. Attempts to put her feet in first to see if she does it, then taking off her diaper and putting her in the bath have proved unsuccesful. Any ideas?
showers.

robustpuppy 07-19-2006 05:09 PM

Splish Splash
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SEC_Chick
So, for the last week, the Chicklet has peed in the bathtub every single time, right after I put her in. Must relax her, but requires me to take her out, dump and rinse the tub and refill it while she complains about having been removed from the warm whiz-inducing water. Attempts to put her feet in first to see if she does it, then taking off her diaper and putting her in the bath have proved unsuccesful. Any ideas?
Just pretend you didn't see it.

ltl/fb 07-19-2006 05:21 PM

Splish Splash
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Just pretend you didn't see it.
I agree with rp, which may mean it's a very, very bad idea.

I think pee is pretty sterile, though.

taxwonk 07-19-2006 05:23 PM

Splish Splash
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SEC_Chick
So, for the last week, the Chicklet has peed in the bathtub every single time, right after I put her in. Must relax her, but requires me to take her out, dump and rinse the tub and refill it while she complains about having been removed from the warm whiz-inducing water. Attempts to put her feet in first to see if she does it, then taking off her diaper and putting her in the bath have proved unsuccesful. Any ideas?
Are you familiar with the term "swirlie?"

Hank Chinaski 07-19-2006 06:02 PM

Splish Splash
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I think pee is pretty sterile, though.
are you coming on to me?

Secret_Agent_Man 07-20-2006 12:49 PM

Splish Splash
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Just pretend you didn't see it.
Agreed. Pee is harmless -- pooping in the bathtub requires the steps you're talking about, but a little pee just fades away.

For the sake of your own squickiness however, you do have to _try_ to keep the kid from drinking the bathwater.

S_A_M

i was penske 07-20-2006 01:49 PM

Splish Splash
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Agreed. Pee is harmless -- pooping in the bathtub requires the steps you're talking about, but a little pee just fades away.

For the sake of your own squickiness however, you do have to _try_ to keep the kid from drinking the bathwater.

S_A_M
When my biological kids with Hank's wife were little, she made Hank wear a ball gag when he bathed them to prevent any errant drinking of peed bathwater. Notwithstanding their superior genes, she didn't want the kids picking up his bad habits via mis-nurture.

Secret_Agent_Man 07-27-2006 01:01 PM

Not Those Water Sports!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by i was penske
[A bit too much information about Penske's fantasy life]
You sure know how to kill a nice, family-oriented board.

S_A_M

Penske_Account 07-27-2006 07:06 PM

Not Those Water Sports!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
You sure know how to kill a nice, family-oriented board.

S_A_M
Agreed.

As a parent of child, and child of parents, I think that post should have been deleted. Or banned. Or something.

It would be nice if we had an admin (slave, since RT is on vacation) who would enforce old skool posters' intellectual property rights and not allow these secondary stalker socks to infringeingly (no pun intended) use confusingly similar tradenames. It's defamatory.

taxwonk 07-28-2006 12:15 PM

I was Shocked! Shocked, I Tell You!!
 
'Breast' Cover Gets Mixed Reaction
By JOCELYN NOVECK, AP National Writer
Thu Jul 27, 4:55 PM

NEW YORK -
Quote:

"I was SHOCKED to see a giant breast on the cover of your magazine," one person wrote. "I immediately turned the magazine face down," wrote another. "Gross," said a third.

These readers weren't complaining about a sexually explicit cover, but rather one of a baby nursing, on a wholesome parenting magazine _ yet another sign that Americans are squeamish over the sight of a nursing breast, even as breast-feeding itself gains more support from the government and medical community.

Babytalk is a free magazine whose readership is overwhelmingly mothers of babies. Yet in a poll of more than 4,000 readers, a quarter of responses to the cover were negative, calling the photo _ a baby and part of a woman's breast, in profile _ inappropriate.

One mother who didn't like the cover explains she was concerned about her 13-year-old son seeing it.

"I shredded it," said Gayle Ash, of Belton, Texas, in a telephone interview. "A breast is a breast _ it's a sexual thing. He didn't need to see that."

It's the same reason that Ash, 41, who nursed all three of her children, is cautious about breast-feeding in public _ a subject of enormous debate among women, which has even spawned a new term: "lactivists," meaning those who advocate for a woman's right to nurse wherever she needs to.

"I'm totally supportive of it _ I just don't like the flashing," she says. "I don't want my son or husband to accidentally see a breast they didn't want to see."

Yep, that's one of my biggest fears. The possibility that there is a breast out there that I don't want to see being waved in my face.


Linky

RealityBites 07-28-2006 12:31 PM

Pumping while on business trips...
 
Since you all seem to be so full of good advice...

I'm traveling internationally for business next month, and I'm still pumping for the lil' realitybitesmyboob. Any suggestions on getting the milk back to lil'one? Em will be joining me after 4 days, but I want to send the juice back to em, so I don't have to carry it on vacation... and I HATE to throw it out.

SEC_Chick 07-28-2006 12:36 PM

Pumping while on business trips...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by RealityBites
Since you all seem to be so full of good advice...

I'm traveling internationally for business next month, and I'm still pumping for the lil' realitybitesmyboob. Any suggestions on getting the milk back to lil'one? Em will be joining me after 4 days, but I want to send the juice back to em, so I don't have to carry it on vacation... and I HATE to throw it out.
I have a friend that Fed-Exed it back one of those cheap styrofoam coolers and packed it in dry ice. Depending on where you are going internationally, I don't know whether that helps or not. She said it was still good when it got there.

Cletus Miller 07-28-2006 12:42 PM

Pumping while on business trips...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SEC_Chick
I have a friend that Fed-Exed it back one of those cheap styrofoam coolers and packed it in dry ice. Depending on where you are going internationally, I don't know whether that helps or not. She said it was still good when it got there.
Check on import/customs issues before you go--so you don't take the time to pack it and then have it sit in customs and spoil.

SEC_Chick 07-28-2006 12:42 PM

I was Shocked! Shocked, I Tell You!!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk

Yep, that's one of my biggest fears. The possibility that there is a breast out there that I don't want to see being waved in my face.

People are messed up. All I noticed when looking at the cover was how the baby's eyes were looking up at its mother. Once I conscously recognized there was a boob, my only problem with the cover was that it looked a too pert and perky for bfing (and I was jealous if it hadn't been airbrsuhed).

That kind of attitude was why I got a little fridge for my office so I wouldn't have to use the big one in the break room. I didn't want to argue with anyone that it shouldn't squick anyone out because it is fit for human consumption in that once it's expressed from my body it's the Chicklet's lunch.


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