But Our Guy's Lies Weren't Under Oath
 

Wrong. Its apples and oranges. Regardless of the subject matter of the case, perjury is a crime. Perjury by a lawyer on his own behalf, while not a separate statutory defense (I don't think, but I am not really a lawyer so why would i know) is somewhat more viscerally shocking to the conscience, for obvious reasons. Perjury by the Chief Executive Officer of the Country a bit more so. But at the end of the day, its a legal process question and there is no question he should have suffered the consequences of his scofflawism at the hands of the process.

If y'all are so convinced that Bush lied, and I am not sure it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt or otherwise, take it the appropriate forum, which in this case is the American electorate. Actually, that's a great idea. Next time Bush runs for re-election you democrats and your comrades in the liberal party should make Bush's alleged lies about WMDs and justification for the war a major campaign issue. The American people will surely see the convincing righteousness of your assertions and he will be voted out of office. Then maybe you convince the Hague to indict for War Crimes.

Good luck with this approach, no need to thank me.

classy, classy guy
 

1. Not invade, surgically remove.

2. Commander.in.Chief. Chain.of.Command. What part of those two concepts gives the military the option to pick and choose which Presidential directives to follow?

But Our Guy's Lies Weren't Under Oath
 

Too bad the election isn't today. The Democrats could run a Moore/Dean ticket and win. Seen the poll numbers lately?

Also, I just saw this.

But Our Guy's Lies Weren't Under Oath
 

So those 2 do speak for the majority of the party. Got it.

eta:

Rove was speaking precisely about these 2 clowns. Here's a much longer quote from his actual remarks:

classy, classy guy
 

Who's penske?

But Our Guy's Lies Weren't Under Oath
 

Wow! that's compelling. You should petition for a new election.

Speaking of which, how's the recount in the Ohio coming?

The gravity of Clinton's lies.
 

I have to say - this is really fun - I felt like the only Republican on the board and now the cavalry has arrived. I am having trouble keeping up let alone posting.

Anyway - for all you that think Clintons lies were not a big deal. Back in 98 I came up with a Syllogism for the Impeachment. I am just curious which questions on this syllogism the Democrats on this board would answer no to.

1) Can an employee bring a sexual harassment suit against their current or former employer?
2) During the discovery period of a suit concerning sexual harassment can the employee ask the employer (defendant) questions about his or her sexual relations with past and current employees in a deposition under oath?
3) If the employer refuses to answer questions under oath can the plaintiff ask the judge to order a defendant to answer a question under oath?
4) Can a judge order a defendant or a witness to answer questions under oath that the judge deems relevant to the case?
5) If the employer lies under oath to a question the court ordered him to answer should that lie be considered perjury (remember the court has already ruled that the question is relevant and ordered him to answer)?
6) Should perjury be considered a felony?
7) Should a President that commits a felony while in office be impeached?

But Our Guy's Lies Weren't Under Oath
 

I'd leave that rotting corpse alone, Dino.

classy, classy guy
 

If you would read Ghost Wars, you would understand why that was never possible. Believe me, they were trying.

That's a fine question, but the people who should be answering it are in the military. You could also ask them why the Apache helicopters sent to Albania never performed any combat missions.

classy, classy guy
 

You mean, who's penske now?

But Our Guy's Lies Weren't Under Oath
 

He meant to tar everyone who currently opposes the war in Iraq with the same brush and you know it.

The gravity of Clinton's lies.
 

Depends on what's alleged.

Depends on whether the questions are relevant to what's alleged.

A plaintiff can always ask.

Usually.

Probably so.

Probably so.

Depends on the felony.

The gravity of Clinton's lies.
 

OK Final questions

8) If a public figure commits perjury and is not penalized, won't that make it more difficult to convince people that there could be negative consequences if they commit perjury?

9) Isn't getting people to tell the truth under oath an important element in our judicial system?

But Our Guy's Lies Weren't Under Oath
 

I think he was saying that even though those two don't speak for the majority, they could be elected now.

His longer quote doesn't make any more sense. Bush did act with restraint, at least relative to the calls by some conservatives to occupy Mecca, etc. The suggestion that conservatives wanted to use force while liberals wanted to draft a petitition or try to "understand" the enemy instead is -- of course -- a smear and a lie.

The gravity of Clinton's lies.
 

Perhaps, although you would have to be insane to think that Clinton did not suffer negative consequences from what he did. And the decision to impeach the President ought to be based on quite a bit more than the desire to disincent future perjury.