LawTalkers

LawTalkers (http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/index.php)
-   The Fashionable (http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=14)
-   -   Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!! (http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=814)

ThurgreedMarshall 01-06-2009 04:18 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 376439)
I have said this before and realize it's an unpopular opinion, but anyone who remembers Clerks as a funny movie never watched it a second time. I hold no grudge against someone who watches it once and says "I laughed," because I did, but a second viewing of that movie is just intolerable. Ditto Better Off Dead. Maybe a second viewing when it's still 1985 and you're still on dope and in high school, but today, in 2009? You couldn't pay me to watch it. I'll quote it from memory, but I'll never want to watch it again. So it's in the same category as Clerks -- quotable doesn't equal funniest.

A good test is, would I pay $30 to get it on Blu-Ray? Many things on people's list, the answer is yes, but not Elf, not Clerks, not Better Off Dead.

I was with you until you started shitting on Better Off Dead. Love that movie. It's hard to say how much is related to nostaligia, but I could watch that movie many times. A Japanese guy who learned English by watching Howard Cosell exclusively? That's gold, Jerry!

(Clerks fucking sucks.)

TM

dtb 01-06-2009 04:21 PM

General announcement and warning
 
For any of you who chat with me on IM on occasion, you may be surprised to hear from me sometime soon. It will surprise you that I am such a slow typist, that I have suddenly become enamored of lots of extraneous punctuation and that I make such atrocious spelling errors.

Don't be alarmed! Most likely, it is my 6-year-old son who has taken to sitting at my computer if I'm not there and starting up chats.

He ran downstairs today when I got home and said, "Mama! Good news! I'm finally talking to someone on your computer!" I said, "Oh? Who is that?" (It was sebby.)

His older brother said, "But you don't even know him!", which protest was met with "I DON'T CARE!!!"

I then explained (by IM) to Sebby what had happened (i.e., that it was my 6-y-o), and my 6-y-o was furious!

So, if you're ever in doubt, and are wondering if it's truly me, I'll have to utter the password, which will be... um... PINTO.

No one will ever crack that code!


ETA: But please, keep it clean.

ThurgreedMarshall 01-06-2009 04:24 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Penske_Account (Post 376442)
Translation: the naked wrestling scene caused involuntary movements that made me question my sexuality and I now choose to live in denial.

Stop following me.

TM

Gattigap 01-06-2009 04:25 PM

Re: General announcement and warning
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtb (Post 376452)
For any of you who chat with me on IM on occasion, you may be surprised to hear from me sometime soon. It will surprise you that I am such a slow typist, and that I make such atrocious spelling errors.

Most likely, it is my 6-year-old son who has taken to sitting at my computer if I'm not there and starting up chats.

He ran downstairs today when I got home and said, "Mama! Good news! I'm finally talking to someone on your computer!" I said, "Oh? Who is that?" (It was sebby.)

His older brother said, "But you don't even know him!", which protest was met with "I DON'T CARE!!!"

I then explained (by IM) to Sebby what had happened (i.e., that it was my 6-y-o), and my 6-y-o was furious!

So, if you're ever in doubt, and are wondering if it's truly me, I'll have to utter the password, which will be... um... PINTO.

No one will ever crack that code!

I'd be more worried about what Sebby shared with your 6yo.

Gattigap 01-06-2009 04:28 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 376450)

And Roxanne is a great movie, but it's more of a romantic comedy, a genre which I don't think made many lists.

TM



I think it's brilliant! What an idea! And I was there! He took the idea! He saw it ripe on the tree, he plucked it, and he put it in his pocket. It's, it's, dare I say... genius? Ah, no, no! But maybe, ooh! ah! maybe it is! Maybe I'm in the presence of greatness, maybe I just don't know it. But I saw it...

ThurgreedMarshall 01-06-2009 04:29 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 376449)
Isn't OJ's sentence enough?

I cannot watch this scene without laughing out loud (yeah, I said it) when (i) the one guy drops his gun after Nordberg finally breaks in and (ii) when he leans against the door with the wet paint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTF7ABnxX-g

Poor OJ. From airport slave to Naked Gun victim to excused murderer to convict. He's just so misunderstood.

TM

Hank Chinaski 01-06-2009 04:30 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 376427)
Exactly. And I wound up leaving what is possibly the best satire ever filmed, and the best movie of all time, Being There, off the list because it was too subtle to be laugh your ass off funny, which a list this short demands.

I loved Being There, and had forgotten about it, thanks.

But it isn't a comedy, and if you put it on, becasue it has funny parts, then Diner, the best movie overall of all time, is also a comedy, so it will be Best comedy.

I saw an obscure but pretty funny 60s movie call The Party, with Peter Sellers. pretty funny, but maybe a little dated. But if you see it on cable worth a watch (of course Seller's indian accent it a bit incorrect for today).

Diane_Keaton 01-06-2009 04:31 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 376450)
Yes on the fake bird call scene and infamous. But the best part of the movie is when El Guapo asks if he's getting a plethora of gifts. I also like this part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8NQ6_5J7bc

Don't normally like Chase but he was great in that one. The hell with movies....there should be a list of 25 funniest SCENES from a movie. This one would be my number one hands down (or off). (Fast forward to about 2:45 as the early part isn't funny). The rib scene is good too. The rest of the list would be heavy with Woody Allen and Monty Python scenes.

Penske_Account 01-06-2009 04:32 PM

Re: General announcement and warning
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtb (Post 376452)
For any of you who chat with me on IM on occasion, you may be surprised to hear from me sometime soon. It will surprise you that I am such a slow typist, that I have suddenly become enamored of lots of extraneous punctuation and that I make such atrocious spelling errors.

Don't be alarmed! Most likely, it is my 6-year-old son who has taken to sitting at my computer if I'm not there and starting up chats.

He ran downstairs today when I got home and said, "Mama! Good news! I'm finally talking to someone on your computer!" I said, "Oh? Who is that?" (It was sebby.)

His older brother said, "But you don't even know him!", which protest was met with "I DON'T CARE!!!"

I then explained (by IM) to Sebby what had happened (i.e., that it was my 6-y-o), and my 6-y-o was furious!

So, if you're ever in doubt, and are wondering if it's truly me, I'll have to utter the password, which will be... um... PINTO.

No one will ever crack that code!


ETA: But please, keep it clean.


Many of my posts, incl. all of the sucky ones, are made by my assistant, when I am out on my balcony relaxing or out of the office at the gym or the massuesse.

ThurgreedMarshall 01-06-2009 04:32 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 376456)
I think it's brilliant! What an idea! And I was there! He took the idea! He saw it ripe on the tree, he plucked it, and he put it in his pocket. It's, it's, dare I say... genius? Ah, no, no! But maybe, ooh! ah! maybe it is! Maybe I'm in the presence of greatness, maybe I just don't know it. But I saw it...

Did he fall yet?

TM

Gattigap 01-06-2009 04:34 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 376461)
Did he fall yet?

TM

Your breasts, they're like melons. No, no, they're like pillows! Can I fluff your pillows?

Hank Chinaski 01-06-2009 04:35 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 376439)
I have said this before and realize it's an unpopular opinion, but anyone who remembers Clerks as a funny movie never watched it a second time. I hold no grudge against someone who watches it once and says "I laughed," because I did, but a second viewing of that movie is just intolerable. Ditto Better Off Dead. Maybe a second viewing when it's still 1985 and you're still on dope and in high school, but today, in 2009? You couldn't pay me to watch it. I'll quote it from memory, but I'll never want to watch it again. So it's in the same category as Clerks -- quotable doesn't equal funniest.

A good test is, would I pay $30 to get it on Blu-Ray? Many things on people's list, the answer is yes, but not Elf, not Clerks, not Better Off Dead.

clerks can't be on Blu-Ray can it? it was shot on toilet paper.

Adder 01-06-2009 04:43 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 376439)
I have said this before and realize it's an unpopular opinion, but anyone who remembers Clerks as a funny movie never watched it a second time. I hold no grudge against someone who watches it once and says "I laughed," because I did, but a second viewing of that movie is just intolerable. Ditto Better Off Dead. Maybe a second viewing when it's still 1985 and you're still on dope and in high school, but today, in 2009? You couldn't pay me to watch it. I'll quote it from memory, but I'll never want to watch it again. So it's in the same category as Clerks -- quotable doesn't equal funniest.

A good test is, would I pay $30 to get it on Blu-Ray? Many things on people's list, the answer is yes, but not Elf, not Clerks, not Better Off Dead.

I have Clerks and the rest of the View Askew titles on DVD, and have watched them more than once. Again, though, maybe it is a juvenile thing.

But I agree that Elf is not worthy of more than one watching (if it even merits one).

bold_n_brazen 01-06-2009 04:43 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 376450)
Love Big and Splash. But they don't make my top 25.

Yes on the fake bird call scene and infamous. But the best part of the movie is when El Guapo asks if he's getting a plethora of gifts. I also like this part: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8NQ6_5J7bc

And Roxanne is a great movie, but it's more of a romantic comedy, a genre which I don't think made many lists.

TM

Spies Like Us is Chevy and Akroyd at their best.

This is why I could not make a list.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-06-2009 04:46 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 376457)
I cannot watch this scene without laughing out loud (yeah, I said it) when (i) the one guy drops his gun after Nordberg finally breaks in and (ii) when he leans against the door with the wet paint.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTF7ABnxX-g

Poor OJ. From airport slave to Naked Gun victim to excused murderer to convict. He's just so misunderstood.

TM

I think about as much planning went into that bust as the one where he tried to get back his stuff.

ThurgreedMarshall 01-06-2009 04:46 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Diane_Keaton (Post 376459)
Don't normally like Chase but he was great in that one. The hell with movies....there should be a list of 25 funniest SCENES from a movie. This one would be my number one hands down (or off). (Fast forward to about 2:45 as the early part isn't funny). The rib scene is good too. The rest of the list would be heavy with Woody Allen and Monty Python scenes.

We have found common ground. I love I'm Gonna Get You Sucka (not top 25, but still high enough to almost put on my list).

"So, it's just you 57 cops against Kung Fu Joe? Master of Kung-Fu! Karate! Jiu- Jitsu! And all kinds of other shit you ain't never heard of!"
______
Willie: I heard you screamin' from all the way over there, and...
Leonard: I wasn't screamin', all right?
Willie: But I heard you...
Leonard: I wasn't screamin'! I was whistling!
Willie: You was whistling "Willie, help get this bitch off of me"?
Leonard: Yeah!
_______
John Slade: What these fancy medals for?
Jack Spade: Well, this one is, uh, shorthand. And, uh, this one over here is M.V.P. And, uh, this is surfing.
_______
John Slade: Sam, hold it man, you told me you served in Nam!
One Eyed Sam: I did, Saigon.
Jack Spade: Well, how'd you lose your eye?
One Eyed Sam: Fu**in' 'round the office. We were shooting paper clips at each other, and one of the damn fools hit me in the eye!

(I can't find the follow-up quote for when Slade and One Eyed Sam are comparing medals. But I know One Eyed Sam says something like, "This medal here is for typing..." And Spade cuts him off and says, "I got that one too! Right here! Right here!"

And finally, the scene when they're in the big shoot-out near the end and Spade gets a splinter and screams like his intestines are falling out when he removes it, gets me every time.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 01-06-2009 04:47 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 376467)
I think about as much planning went into that bust as the one where he tried to get back his stuff.

Now that's funny.

TM

Adder 01-06-2009 04:48 PM

Re: General announcement and warning
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dtb (Post 376452)
(It was sebby.)


I take it you are now having your 6 y-y-o's brain washed out with soap?

Atticus Grinch 01-06-2009 04:52 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 376463)
clerks can't be on Blu-Ray can it? it was shot on toilet paper.

WTTW, "hot" theoretical physicists are probably looking for men who aren't stymied by the occasional contrafactual.

Adder 01-06-2009 04:58 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 376471)
WTTW, "hot" theoretical physicists are probably looking for men who aren't stymied by the occasional contrafactual.

I recently saw a an add for all of the Bond films on blu-ray, so I don't underestimate hollywood's interest in making a buck off of the suckers.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 01-06-2009 05:08 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 376429)
I don't think I would call Being There a comedy

Good album, though.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 01-06-2009 05:17 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 376443)
I remember Clerks as a funny movie and I have watched it more than twice. Then again, I like exchanges like "My girlfriend sucked 37 cocks!" "Dude -- in a row?"

I don't have a Blu-Ray player and I wouldn't spend $30 on Clerks if I did, but that's more because I don't see the point in buying movies anymore, with Netflix and now Netflix OnDemand so easy and cheap.

I don't have Blu-Ray or Netflix. Redbox FTW!

http://www.redbox.com/home.aspx

Replaced_Texan 01-06-2009 05:28 PM

I confess
 
to a lifelong adoration of Cannonball Run, The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas* and the Muppet Movie.

And I don't really like Dom Delouise, who was in all three. "They're doing the work of the Lord. In a Ferrari, they can just do it faster."

*My parents once bought a piece of property from a former employee of said whorehouse.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-06-2009 06:02 PM

Re: I confess
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 376478)
to a lifelong adoration of Cannonball Run, The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas* and the Muppet Movie.

And I don't really like Dom Delouise, who was in all three. "They're doing the work of the Lord. In a Ferrari, they can just do it faster."

*My parents once bought a piece of property from a former employee of said whorehouse.

Best Little Whorehouse can make my list. I don't remember the other two, though I'm certain I've seen them.

Sidd Finch 01-06-2009 06:15 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 376444)
Wrong. Airplane is number 11 on my list. And I agonized over Naked Gun, but someone has to lose.

TM

Oh, so now I'm supposed to actually look at your list before I comment about it?

Flinty_McFlint 01-06-2009 06:29 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 376476)
I don't have Blu-Ray or Netflix. Redbox FTW!

http://www.redbox.com/home.aspx

If you only friended me I could set you up with Redbox codes. I never pay for movies anymore.

Diane_Keaton 01-06-2009 06:51 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 376468)
We have found common ground. I love I'm Gonna Get You Sucka (not top 25, but still high enough to almost put on my list).

"So, it's just you 57 cops against Kung Fu Joe? Master of Kung-Fu! Karate! Jiu- Jitsu! And all kinds of other shit you ain't never heard of!"
______
Willie: I heard you screamin' from all the way over there, and...
Leonard: I wasn't screamin', all right?
Willie: But I heard you...
Leonard: I wasn't screamin'! I was whistling!
Willie: You was whistling "Willie, help get this bitch off of me"?
Leonard: Yeah!
_______
John Slade: What these fancy medals for?
Jack Spade: Well, this one is, uh, shorthand. And, uh, this one over here is M.V.P. And, uh, this is surfing.
_______
John Slade: Sam, hold it man, you told me you served in Nam!
One Eyed Sam: I did, Saigon.
Jack Spade: Well, how'd you lose your eye?
One Eyed Sam: Fu**in' 'round the office. We were shooting paper clips at each other, and one of the damn fools hit me in the eye!

(I can't find the follow-up quote for when Slade and One Eyed Sam are comparing medals. But I know One Eyed Sam says something like, "This medal here is for typing..." And Spade cuts him off and says, "I got that one too! Right here! Right here!"

And finally, the scene when they're in the big shoot-out near the end and Spade gets a splinter and screams like his intestines are falling out when he removes it, gets me every time.

TM

Yes, those and....

the pic of Jack's son with the gold chains on the mantle.

and....Jack's mother showing up throughout the flick to kick butt and one scene the mother's stunt man was purposely obvious (bushy wig and mustache)...I think the Wayans brothers invited that schtick.

and.....Jan Brady as the wife of Clarence Williams III in the "Revolutionary Headquarters". The movie has everything. It's number one on my list (followed by The Jerk) probably for the fake body part scene alone.

Penske_Account 01-06-2009 10:19 PM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 376465)
I have Clerks and the rest of the View Askew titles on DVD, and have watched them more than once. Again, though, maybe it is a juvenile thing.

But I agree that Elf is not worthy of more than one watching (if it even merits one).

I watched Elf for the 5th or 6th time Sunday. Still good, albeit not top 25 good.......top 25 Christmas comedies of the last decade.

taxwonk 01-07-2009 12:55 AM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 376458)
I loved Being There, and had forgotten about it, thanks.

But it isn't a comedy, and if you put it on, becasue it has funny parts, then Diner, the best movie overall of all time, is also a comedy, so it will be Best comedy.

I saw an obscure but pretty funny 60s movie call The Party, with Peter Sellers. pretty funny, but maybe a little dated. But if you see it on cable worth a watch (of course Seller's indian accent it a bit incorrect for today).

The Party is hilarious. And being there is a comedy because it is a satire, in the most classic sense of the word. However, because we live with philistines, who would not even understand, let alone appreciate, most of the humor in Being There, I left it off the list.

And Diner is also a wonderful movie, again, one of the best ever made, but it is not a comedy. I would label it a period piece. Which reminds me, I haven't had fries with gravy for years.

LessinSF 01-07-2009 01:52 AM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Flinty_McFlint (Post 376483)
If you only friended me I could set you up with Redbox codes. I never pay for movies anymore.

I like the idea, but not too many choices for me - http://www.redbox.com/Locations/Kios...state=&vendor=

Atticus Grinch 01-07-2009 02:50 AM

Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Remember that study that reportedly showed that teens who took an abstinence pledge were sexually active at the same rate as teens generally? Well, it turns out it didn't.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-07-2009 08:26 AM

Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 376507)
Remember that study that reportedly showed that teens who took an abstinence pledge were sexually active at the same rate as teens generally? Well, it turns out it didn't.

He straw manned it. He states what the articles initially reported:

"Religious Teens Differ Little in Sexual Behavior Whether or Not They Take a Pledge."

In other words, pledges are bogus.

In his next article he should debunk the statistical finding that evangelicals are just as randy in the bedroom as everyone else.

Hank Chinaski 01-07-2009 09:11 AM

Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 376507)
Remember that study that reportedly showed that teens who took an abstinence pledge were sexually active at the same rate as teens generally? Well, it turns out it didn't.

fuck. my check just cleared for a two year membership to the singles club at my local Baptist church.

Can I sue someone?

Atticus Grinch 01-07-2009 11:44 AM

Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 376509)
He straw manned it. He states what the articles initially reported:

"Religious Teens Differ Little in Sexual Behavior Whether or Not They Take a Pledge."

In other words, pledges are bogus.

In his next article he should debunk the statistical finding that evangelicals are just as randy in the bedroom as everyone else.

Maybe you're reading better newspapers than I, but when this hit the wires two weeks ago, the ones I was reading definitely missed the point that the control group was equally religious and the study was looking at two groups, both of which were less sexually active than the average teen. I got the false impression that the study showed that pledging teens had sex at the same rate as all non-pledging teens. That's a much more salacious story, and that's the impression I got from the headlines I saw.

Pretty Little Flower 01-07-2009 11:46 AM

Re: Top 25 Funniest Movies -- Old Fart Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Penske_Account (Post 376447)
My rainbo is greyscale, but, more or less same thing. Its the view from the corner office baby! As we electronic communicate through this chatting board, my feet are already up, cuban lit, and a glass of 40 yo Taylor Fladgate tawny in hand. And, its not even tea time. In........Holland. 4.20!...........

Word!

(as the kids say these days)

20/4 (psssst, this is the European date version -- convert back to Yankee date protocol for the secret code. ;) ;) :) tea time indeed!)

Fugee 01-07-2009 11:53 AM

Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 376519)
Maybe you're reading better newspapers than I, but when this hit the wires two weeks ago, the ones I was reading definitely missed the point that the control group was equally religious and the study was looking at two groups, both of which were less sexually active than the average teen. I got the false impression that the study showed that pledging teens had sex at the same rate as all non-pledging teens. That's a much more salacious story, and that's the impression I got from the headlines I saw.

I got the same false impression from the news story I read. It was misleading not to mention that the comparison was between religious teens who pledge and don't pledge, thus leading to the assumption that it was between pledging teens (who are more likely to be religious) and all teens.

ETA: So apparently I have lousy reading comprehension.

Adder 01-07-2009 11:54 AM

Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 376519)
Maybe you're reading better newspapers than I, but when this hit the wires two weeks ago, the ones I was reading definitely missed the point that the control group was equally religious and the study was looking at two groups, both of which were less sexually active than the average teen. I got the false impression that the study showed that pledging teens had sex at the same rate as all non-pledging teens. That's a much more salacious story, and that's the impression I got from the headlines I saw.


It is hard to take your guy's refutation too seriously when he says the pledgers have safer sex than non-pledgers (because they have fewer partners). Given that the reporting on the survey said that plegder are less
likely to use contraception, that seems like a highly doubtful claim. Which was the point of the articles I saw.

Here is part of the Post article, which both points out the fact that the study controlled for religious views and found differences in use of protection:

Quote:

Teenagers who pledge to remain virgins until marriage are just as likely to have premarital sex as those who do not promise abstinence and are significantly less likely to use condoms and other forms of birth control when they do, according to a study released today.

The new analysis of data from a large federal survey found that more than half of youths became sexually active before marriage regardless of whether they had taken a "virginity pledge," but that the percentage who took precautions against pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases was 10 points lower for pledgers than for non-pledgers.

"Taking a pledge doesn't seem to make any difference at all in any sexual behavior," said Janet E. Rosenbaum of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, whose report appears in the January issue of the journal Pediatrics. "But it does seem to make a difference in condom use and other forms of birth control that is quite striking."

The study is the latest in a series that have raised questions about programs that focus on encouraging abstinence until marriage, including those that specifically ask students to publicly declare their intention to remain virgins. The new analysis, however, goes beyond earlier analyses by focusing on teens who had similar values about sex and other issues before they took a virginity pledge.

"Previous studies would compare a mixture of apples and oranges," Rosenbaum said. "I tried to pull out the apples and compare only the apples to other apples."


...

Although researchers have analyzed data from that survey before to examine abstinence education programs, the new study is the first to use a more stringent method to account for other factors that could influence the teens' behavior, such as their attitudes about sex before they took the pledge.

Rosenbaum focused on about 3,400 students who had not had sex or taken a virginity pledge in 1995. She compared 289 students who were 17 years old on average in 1996, when they took a virginity pledge, with 645 who did not take a pledge but were otherwise similar. She based that judgment on about 100 variables, including their attitudes and their parents' attitudes about sex and their perception of their friends' attitudes about sex and birth control.
link

Adder 01-07-2009 11:56 AM

Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 376522)
I got the same false impression from the news story I read. It was misleading not to mention that the comparison was between religious teens who pledge and don't pledge, thus leading to the assumption that it was between pledging teens (who are more likely to be religious) and all teens.

While the impression may have been incorrect, if you want to test the effectiveness of the pledge, you probably should control for other factors, right?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 01-07-2009 12:04 PM

Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 376522)
I got the same false impression from the news story I read. It was misleading not to mention that the comparison was between religious teens who pledge and don't pledge, thus leading to the assumption that it was between pledging teens (who are more likely to be religious) and all teens.

Ty has repeatedly said the WaPo sucks, and he's not entirely wrong. But the article I read and linked to, which, while having a misleading lede, explains by the 4th para the central feature of the study:

Quote:

The new analysis, however, goes beyond earlier analyses by focusing on teens who had similar values about sex and other issues before they took a virginity pledge. http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-...l_leftjust.gif



"Previous studies would compare a mixture of apples and oranges," Rosenbaum said. "I tried to pull out the apples and compare only the apples to other apples."
I do think he was comparing the wrong fruits, though. Cherries really are the ones to look at.

ETA: stp. Apparently Adder is among the posters who read newspapers carefully.

Adder 01-07-2009 12:19 PM

Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 376526)
I do think he was comparing the wrong fruits, though. Cherries really are the ones to look at.

ETA: stp. Apparently Adder is among the posters who read newspapers carefully.


While I wouldn't claim that generally, I did read carefully enough to notice the Rosenbaum is a she.

Out of curiousity (and boredom), I googled for a few other articles:

Something called christianitytoday.com spent several paragraphs on how this study controlled for pre-existing sexual views, highlighting it as an improvement over comparing pledgers against teens in general.

This one from cbsnews.com says that the study compared pledgers against non-pledgers who matched on 100 criteria, including pre-existing views.

cnn.com's second paragraph says that any delay in sex for pledgers likely comes from religious views rather than the pledge itself and fifth 'graph says they only compared kids with similar views.

This opinion piece from the Dallas Morning News Blog deserves criticism and does not present the results clearly.

This is obviously far from scientific, but I would guess that the news articles do okay on this, but the opinion pieces are a mess.

ETA: This one, a short blurb from what looks like a Texas tv station, takes the cake, claiming that teen who take the pledge are more likely to have sex.

EATA: This article from foxnews.com , which doesn't really explain what it means by comparing similar teens, apparently has the data underlying the Atticus's guy's "pledgers have fewer partners" claim: "Teens who took the pledge began having sex at the same age as non-pledgers, Rosenbaum said, although they had 0.1 fewer sex partners during the past year then their non-pledger counterparts."


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:35 PM.

Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
Hosted By: URLJet.com