Breaking the Paigow Juggernaut
 

Who's Clay Aiken?

Breaking the Paigow Juggernaut
 

Check the Wonk Princess's cd player.

Full, round, artificial breasts
 

I agree, and I have no problem (moral or otherwise, and of course, this is a personal decision women make, so who am I to say anything, I'm just sharing my opinion) with women wanting to look better, or getting a quick fix, or anything like that.

My concern is, in my experience with women who have had brest implants (somewhat limited, but significant enough to have an opinion) is that they don't just want to look better or sexier or have a quick fix or whatever. Like the original article mentioned, they think that these physcial changes to their bodies are going to make them different people: more confident, more attractive, more successful, more ablt to dictate that men treat them better, richer, whatever.

They view a physical change as something that is going to change the way they feel about themselves. And I don't think that's healthy. If you don't like yourself, even if you can make you like yourself more for a while with some breast implants, that's not going to make yourself like you in the long run. Even if you keep doing all these crazy things to your body to make yourself look better. And, compared to the strippers that I have known (never known any prostitutes), women who have had breast implants seem to share the same sort of feelings about themselves. They view their bodies and their breasts as a reason for men to be attracted to them and a reason for men to treat them a certain way. There's a difference between a man thinking "Wow, she has really sexy breasts" whether they're real or not, than a man thinking "Wow, her breasts are the first thing I notice, the only thing I think about, and the reason I want to get to know her." I think that the former is healthy, and I think that the latter thing is kind of sad. The women with breast implants I've known have welcomed the latter kind of attention, probably because they haven't got a lot of the former or similar, like "Wow, she is sexy", before.

Like I said, I have nothing against barely_legal's mom (in particular, I think that an older woman in a long-term relationship is more likely to be getting them for what I superficially judge to be a "good" reason, even though I know nothing about the specific situation) or barely_legal or the idea of fake breasts. I just think that the situations in which women get them are often indidative of other things.

If you disagree with my assertions about the reasons women are getting them, that's fine. Say so. But it's silly to characterize breast implants as good just because women could do them for a "good" reason. You can also be a stripper for a "good reason." It's just not usually the case.

South Park
 

First, dude, go reread "The Whisperer in the Darkness." Then you will REALLY laugh about the Crab People.

Second, I was also greatly gratified that the episode featured so much of your alter ego, Mr. Slave.

BR(every time I see that guy I think "hey, look, it's Mr. Slave!")C

Breaking the Paigow Juggernaut
 

Oh, is that who Clay Aiken is? I never watched the show, but I am highly confident that I would never buy anything recorded by someone whose career highlight was a "fifteen minutes of fame" game show.

Tax(bring back Sports Night!)wonk

Why Long Island should be nuked
 

So you are saying you don't like my newly and unnaturally firm and uplifted breasts?

Why Long Island should be nuked
 

Don't forget the topless 8x10 for the den. With what he paid for them puppies, he's goddam well gonna show them off!

Changed the re line to amuse Paigow
 

Why do you assume Daddy paid? Maybe Mommy makes some bucks. Sexist!

The Return of World Series Haiku
 

Rocket should have won
but Yanks strand everyone
Bonehead Boone? Luck gone

Yez, the Deathstar is
fully operational
Series goes seven

TM

Firm But Fake
 

You don't go with topless. You go with tight and scanty. Parents who get breast implants for their kids are against such things as public nudity.

Presumptive Assholes
 

You'd really think that I'm a presumptive asshole just because I think that some people do things for reasons I think indicate problems with our society? Objectification and image-obsession are real problems. You might think that this is about me wanting to look down on women who make themselves "sexier" because of some Freudian rejection thing or inability to get en erection or whatever. It's not. It's about concern. That's why I think that it sounds paternalistic. And maybe it does. But concern for those I consider to be less fortunate than me is just a thing that I feel. And, condescending as it may sound or be, I think that women who feel like they have to get bigger tits to make society like them are less fortunate than I am. All I feel like I have to do to have society like me is have a few decent suits and a nice car.

Objectification and image-obsession make people, especially women, do things that aren't healthy for them, like have low self-esteem, have eating disorders or staying with partners who are abusive, either emotionally or physically. I think that those things suck. I think going to strip clubs is great and fun and I love seeing naked women and having them rub their bodies against mine. But after seeing how messed up so many of these women are, the whole "it's just a sexy girl making some extra money" fantasy is kind of gone for me. Stripping is different from breast implants, sure, but some of the same issues are there.

So, bitch please.

Changed the re line to amuse Paigow
 

Shut up and show me your tits.

Tax(I invented this phrase; Mardi Gras owes me millions)wonk

Your Daily Jolie
 

Who could be opposed to this post?

http://cache.eonline.com/Gossip/Fash...ina.102003.jpg

Seriously, she is looking good post-Billy Bob.

On the other end of the spectrum, we have Bjork (I will not post the photo, but curious onlookers may click this link - http://cache.eonline.com/Gossip/Fash...ina.102003.jpg)

MSN: Good teasers, not so much on the stories
 

Your daily otherwise not discussed ET-type fix:

Stephen King horrified by Bennifer

Courtney Cox may be preggers

editorial: David Arquette shouldn't be allowed to reproduce. One of him is one too many.

On the plus side, this article also says that Shannen Doherty plans to pose for Playboy.

Why Long Island should be nuked
 

I was watching, god help me, celebrity beauty tips last night ( I swear I was also doing something important) and saw a segment where a woman got the fat sucked out of her stomach and put into her ass. I literally saw this woman's ass inflate like a balloon and the doctor jiggle her ass a lot. It was the most bizarre and disgusting thing I have ever seen. Apparently they are freezing some of her stomach flab for fture injections. WTF? I thought people wanted the fat out of their asses. Who pays big money to have it put in? I cant bleieve the thigns people do to themselves. Especially for a fat ass.

Presumptive Assholes
 

query: do you think anyone is actually reading your (is it 3rd or 4th) wordy long post on this subject?

I admit it is possible that TM is reading if he is in the mood to fight this topic today, but even that seems unlikely.

Carry on.

Presumptive Assholes
 

I KNOW that you all are!

Why Long Island should be nuked
 

Interesting. I'll defer to you here.

It's also interesting that we looked at this the opposite way; I was comparing in my mind someone going from somewhat overweight to more or less average and thinking that's okay, while you see someon who needs to try a diet first. I don't disagree. I was looking at it as weight loss, and not sculpting. I guess I was thrown off by the massive change in sizes, but you have explained that.

I suppose my sense of "normal" is somewhat colored by the women in my family, the shortest of whom is about 5'8". Especially in my parent's generation, there are a lot of size 10-14s that are not at all overweight, while my size 4 (ish, I've never asked) cousin is rail thin (nicknamed Mantis by her high school friends, because of her thin arms and legs and reputation for emotionally slaughtering former boyfriends).

Firm But Fake
 

You don't go with topless. You go with tight and scanty. Parents who get breast implants for their kids are against such things as public nudity. [/QUOTE]

And they are against booty dancing.

http://www.katyjohnson.com/toon1.html

Firm But Fake
 

of course, because allowing public nudity would send the wrong message to their daughter

Firm But Fake
 

And God doesn't like it.

Why Long Island should be nuked
 

i blame j. lo

Firm But Fake
 

[whoopsie!]

Firm But Fake
 

well of course, but the breast implants are okay, because the body is God's temple and therefore should look as attractive as possible.

Extreme Makeover
 

Sort of topical - does anyone watch it? I never know when it's on, but if I catch it I cannot stop watching it. Some of the transformations are incredible.

Firm But Fake
 

hmm, her bad poetry is getting better:

"Booty dancing is a booby trap...
That will give your reputation a "bum rap".

is actually kind of clever.

Why Long Island should be nuked
 

In some states, it's legal to do this in drive-thrus.

Why Long Island should be nuked
 

Excuse me but when did it become morally reprehensible to draw conclusions from observations? He generalized but didnt say categorically, everyone is like this. jesus. so people are supposed to keep their opinions to themselves>? ick. no thanks.

Firm But Fake
 

And you still haven't fixed the code. More tutoring is in order.

Firm But Fake
 

You wound me. If I ever get sick of my current persona, Miss Vermont will be my next avatar. Perhaps a picture with those slutty platform heels. What sort of message is she sending to young girls?!

Why Long Island should be nuked
 

Didn't realize I called him morally reprehensible.

to avoid confusion
 

What does bitch slapping mean? Is that when a man slaps a woman he does not like across the face? I have never had this happen to me, no. I avoid misogynistic people with anger issues for the most part.

Have you ever posted anything entertaining or clever?

Firm But Fake
 

Your place or mine?


Damn, I'm smooth.

Full, round, artificial breasts
 

I love when a post starts like this: And ends like this: You are projecting. I didn't say every time someone gets breast implants it's a good thing. I was arguing your point that linked everyone who gets breast augmentation to strippers and prostitutes. I said that's not always the case, not "augmentation is always a good thing, dumbass. But, let's move on.

And here's where we disagree.

I think you watch too many MTV documentaries. Not everyone who gets a breast job is obsessed with their bodies. Not everyone who gets a breast job goes straight up to 40DDD. Many women change the shape of their breasts or get a small increase to give them more curves. Feeling better about yourself often comes from a change in your physical appearance. For you to argue otherwise means you either have a perfect build or are some delusional fattie who is perfectly comfortable with those three sausages sitting on the back of your neck.

Not liking a part of your body does not always equate to disliking yourself. If you have a fucked up nose and you change it, it doesn't mean that you are filled with self hate. Sometimes it may. Most times I'm betting it doesn't.

Your problem is that you speak in extremes. "If you don't like yourself, even if you can make you like yourself more for a while with some breast implants, that's not going to make yourself like you in the long run." If you're speaking to the problem of insecurity and self hate, then the people who have plastic surgery to try to fix that are never going to be happy. No argument there. But it does not follow that someone who has plastic surgery necessarily has these problems.

And here's your real problem. You're talking to the wrong people. Strippers don't represent the general population as far as mental health goes. The insecurity problems they have are surely more pronounced. Not only that, but I think you will find that the "viewing their breasts as a reason for men to be attracted to them and a reason for men to treat them a certain way," attitude among strippers is somewhat (okay, very) related to their profession. So if you want to revise your post so that you're talking about the image problems of strippers with implants, I'll probably agree with most of what you say. Unfortunately, you can't make this big a shift in the middle of an argument without a few people catching it.

TM

Firm But Fake
 

No. Scaley. [Insert Paigowism here.]

Presumptive Assholes
 

Chef?

Why Long Island should be nuked
 

How do you explain your penis implant then? Your dockers are more fitted but we all know tht isnt the real reason.

Full, round, artificial breasts
 

+1 for prediction (ohh, I'm like a freakin psychic or something)
-2 for incorrect result

TM, why do you hurt me so?

Breaking the Paigow Juggernaut
 

This phenomenon confuses me.

Would you buy an album by a person who never performed in their lives, met Mick Jagger, sang him a song and got hooked up with the right people and had an album released that was actually quite good?

The reason why I ask is because you've never heard of the guy and probably haven't heard him sing. If you're like Less and believe that his music has to suck because so many people (mostly teenagers) like him, that's one thing. But basing it on the fact that his big break came from a talent show and not some other random occurence seems strange.

TM

Firm But Fake
 

i don't know, but if some of her cartoons were written by a man they would be undoubtably considered sexist.

like this one which unambiguously tells girls to value themselves based on the men they are with.

http://www.katyjohnson.com/toon3.html