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greatwhitenorthchick 12-14-2017 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 512034)
Both total.

Idiocy. Sheer idiocy.

Prepay your property taxes if you can. Maximize deduction this year.

It's also possible to prepay (up to 3rd quarter 2018) NYS tax. Accountants are discussing whether it may be viable to do this and deduct in 2017. Something to consider.

Icky Thump 12-14-2017 11:38 AM

Is it bad
 
to refer to your coworkers as "Hey retard" in emails?

sebastian_dangerfield 12-14-2017 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 512037)
It's also possible to prepay (up to 3rd quarter 2018) NYS tax. Accountants are discussing whether it may be viable to do this and deduct in 2017. Something to consider.

This stuff also trips AMT, so there's that consideration.

sebastian_dangerfield 12-14-2017 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 512036)
I've got no idea. Shut 'em the hell down.

I don't like strip clubs. Seedy, creepy shit. Waste of money as well.

However, let's not slide into Puritanism here. I may not patronize strip clubs except when severely arm-twisted at bachelor parties or similar events, but I will fight to the death for someone else's right to do so. (I can't recall whose famous quote about free speech I'm bastardizing there.)

It's bad enough the right is in bed with so Puritans. If the Left goes there, We Are Doomed.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-14-2017 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 512032)
Really? Intriguing. I assume you tried to figure out what you were posting just prior to being blocked? Any leads as to what the offending tweet might have been? Did you interact with him by replying to or commenting on one of his tweets or however one interacts on Twitter? Of course, it is possible that, after interview upon interview with frothing ideologues and drooling morons in order to fill 24 hours every day with something that someone might want to watch and that might somehow arguably be related to "news," he decided to block everyone. Hell is other people indeed.

I don't tweet very much, my tweets run to the earnest and innocuous, and I don't believe I ever had any interaction with him, so I suspect some mistake or mishap on his end.

sebastian_dangerfield 12-14-2017 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 512038)
to refer to your coworkers as "Hey retard" in emails?

I used to hate fucktard and asshat, but I've come around to those as well.

It's a classic. Long may it run.

Hank Chinaski 12-14-2017 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 512038)
to refer to your coworkers as "Hey retard" in emails?

Our HR suggests "slow adult" as an alternative.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-14-2017 12:50 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 512040)
I don't like strip clubs. Seedy, creepy shit. Waste of money as well.

However, let's not slide into Puritanism here. I may not patronize strip clubs except when severely arm-twisted at bachelor parties or similar events, but I will fight to the death for someone else's right to do so. (I can't recall whose famous quote about free speech I'm bastardizing there.)

It's bad enough the right is in bed with so Puritans. If the Left goes there, We Are Doomed.

Strip clubs are like Churches. They should be allowed to do what they do as long as they comply with the same rules that everyone else does.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-14-2017 12:51 PM

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Republicans are out of touch with Blue America. To this, I would add that the reason that Red America seems more authentically American than Blue America is that it's stagnant, not dynamic and innovative, and because it's not changing as much it seems closer to the way things used to be.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-14-2017 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 512045)
Republicans are out of touch with Blue America. To this, I would add that the reason that Red America seems more authentically American than Blue America is that it's stagnant, not dynamic and innovative, and because it's not changing as much it seems closer to the way things used to be.

If you compare rural America today to rural America at the time of the founders or at the time of civil rights amendments, today you would find few immigrants, less religious diversity, less innovation, less upward mobility, and a more rigid class structure. There's nothing authentic about any of it. Ya'll should hang out at the John Deere Museum sometime to see how diverse, innovative, and dynamic rural America of the 19th century was.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-14-2017 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 512046)
If you compare rural America today to rural America at the time of the founders or at the time of civil rights amendments, today you would find few immigrants, less religious diversity, less innovation, less upward mobility, and a more rigid class structure. There's nothing authentic about any of it. Ya'll should hang out at the John Deere Museum sometime to see how diverse, innovative, and dynamic rural America of the 19th century was.

I used the word "seems" intentionally. When economic forces prompt young people to leave rural areas for better prospects elsewhere, and deter others from coming in, those who are left will be older, less diverse, less innovative, and less dynamic than people in other places. But they will be really authentic.

Hey, square dancing wasn't authentic. It was pushed by Henry Ford so that white people wouldn't dance to black and Jewish music. But it hung around for a while and now it is authentic, right?

eta: And why stop at the 19th century? Turn it back another 100+ years -- read Pynchon's Mason & Dixon, which I'm reasonably sure is 100% authentic.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-14-2017 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 512047)
I used the word "seems" intentionally. When economic forces prompt young people to leave rural areas for better prospects elsewhere, and deter others from coming in, those who are left will be older, less diverse, less innovative, and less dynamic than people in other places. But they will be really authentic.

Hey, square dancing wasn't authentic. It was pushed by Henry Ford so that white people wouldn't dance to black and Jewish music. But it hung around for a while and now it is authentic, right?

eta: And why stop at the 19th century? Turn it back another 100+ years -- read Pynchon's Mason & Dixon, which I'm reasonably sure is 100% authentic.

My authentic rural America is a lively diverse place where Herman Melville tells stories out of the Mahabharata to escaped slaves on their way to Canada in a pub run by a Scandanavian immigrant Deist.

Modern rural America isn't authentic, it's a living dystopia to the authentic.

Adder 12-14-2017 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 512046)
If you compare rural America today to rural America at the time of the founders or at the time of civil rights amendments, today you would find few immigrants

While I think that's true, here we have Somalis who live in our "rural" cities where there are meatpacking jobs and of course there are latinx agricultural workers everywhere.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-14-2017 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 512049)
While I think that's true, here we have Somalis who live in our "rural" cities where there are meatpacking jobs and of course there are latinx agricultural workers everywhere.

True, I'm probably describing the American rural I'm most family with (upstate NY). Which is probably among the least diverse rural areas in the country (on par with Pennsylvania). And I'm being a bit hyperbolic in doing so.

But I wasn't talking about rural cities, whatever they are. Even Birmingham Alabama doesn't fit the model I was talking about.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-14-2017 04:43 PM

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This is well put.

The implication either is that swing voters are fools with no memory or principles, willing to respond to the latest GOP talking points even when they contradict prior talking points, or that there are no swing voters, only partisans to mobilize. If the former, Democrats are suckers to adhere to principles when they get in the way of persuading swing voters. If the latter, there's got to be a way to make the GOP pay for its cynicism. But which is it?

Hank Chinaski 12-14-2017 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 512051)
This is well put.

The implication either is that swing voters are fools with no memory or principles, willing to respond to the latest GOP talking points even when they contradict prior talking points, or that there are no swing voters, only partisans to mobilize. If the former, Democrats are suckers to adhere to principles when they get in the way of persuading swing voters. If the latter, there's got to be a way to make the GOP pay for its cynicism. But which is it?

How did you get to attacking swing voters? I voted for W. I voted for Obama. I voted against Trump in large part because of the very issues this article addresses. I am a swing voter. By "swing voter" do you mean the legendary Obama to Trump voters?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-14-2017 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 512051)
This is well put.

The implication either is that swing voters are fools with no memory or principles, willing to respond to the latest GOP talking points even when they contradict prior talking points, or that there are no swing voters, only partisans to mobilize. If the former, Democrats are suckers to adhere to principles when they get in the way of persuading swing voters. If the latter, there's got to be a way to make the GOP pay for its cynicism. But which is it?

Actually, kind of stupid.

The fact is swing voters are pretty diverse. Just as dems are and even the Rs show diversity of sorts (e.g., the Nazis, the misogynists, the Klan, etc.).

Any group that includes women leaving the Republican party out of disgust and white boys upset over Obama's election can't easily be lumped together.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-14-2017 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 512052)
How did you get to attacking swing voters? I voted for W. I voted for Obama. I voted against Trump in large part because of the very issues this article addresses. I am a swing voter. By "swing voter" do you mean the legendary Obama to Trump voters?

I'm attacking Republicans, not swing voters. My point is that when -- as described in the piece -- Republicans change their message to whatever works in the moment, picking up and abandoning principles as they go, they're working on an implicit cost-benefit analysis, that it gets them more votes than it costs them. Setting aside the effects on Democrats, it gets them votes by energizing the base and persuading swing voters. It costs them votes by turning off either group with hypocrisy and mendacity. Either voters (including swing voters, who are the ones likelier to notice) don't notice or care about the mendacity, or there aren't enough of them (apart from you) to matter. Or it doesn't work and Republicans have fooled (or just can't help) themselves. Which of these is the answer matters lots for how Dems should respond.

Hank Chinaski 12-14-2017 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 512054)
I'm attacking Republicans, not swing voters. My point is that when -- as described in the piece -- Republicans change their message to whatever works in the moment, picking up and abandoning principles as they go, they're working on an implicit cost-benefit analysis, that it gets them more votes than it costs them. Setting aside the effects on Democrats, it gets them votes by energizing the base and persuading swing voters. It costs them votes by turning off either group with hypocrisy and mendacity. Either voters (including swing voters, who are the ones likelier to notice) don't notice or care about the mendacity, or there aren't enough of them (apart from you) to matter. Or it doesn't work and Republicans have fooled (or just can't help) themselves. Which of these is the answer matters lots for how Dems should respond.

Why "doesn't matter?" When did it not matter?

Tyrone Slothrop 12-14-2017 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 512055)
Why "doesn't matter?" When did it not matter?

Why do you think Republicans behave the way described in that article? Does it get them votes? Is it rational for some other reason?

Hank Chinaski 12-14-2017 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 512056)
Why do you think Republicans behave the way described in that article? Does it get them votes? Is it rational for some other reason?

Well the specific behavior has occurred before any election other the child creeper. Just not sure why it is assumed it doesn't matter. It might. Plus, the election was the result of third party voters, not people saying they love Trump anyway.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-14-2017 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 512054)
I'm attacking Republicans, not swing voters. My point is that when -- as described in the piece -- Republicans change their message to whatever works in the moment, picking up and abandoning principles as they go, they're working on an implicit cost-benefit analysis, that it gets them more votes than it costs them. Setting aside the effects on Democrats, it gets them votes by energizing the base and persuading swing voters. It costs them votes by turning off either group with hypocrisy and mendacity. Either voters (including swing voters, who are the ones likelier to notice) don't notice or care about the mendacity, or there aren't enough of them (apart from you) to matter. Or it doesn't work and Republicans have fooled (or just can't help) themselves. Which of these is the answer matters lots for how Dems should respond.

I can think of many other alternatives, all likely to apply to some people.

Two of the big swings going to Democrats these days are young people and college educated people. I think both come to us because they see the party as more rational and sane as much as serving their interest. The fact that we've lost people attracted to the batshit crazy shouldn't make us forget that we get people by not being batshit crazy.

Icky Thump 12-14-2017 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 512030)
Jake Tapper has blocked me on Twitter, and I have no idea why.

Jack Edwards, stupid Bruins homer fucking announcer blocked me. When Marchand speared someone I sent him a gif of Negan bashing Glen's skull in and asked him if it was a legal hit.

Icky Thump 12-14-2017 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 512043)
Our HR suggests "slow adult" as an alternative.

Much too kind. I agree with "fucktard" as closer but we are talking about a situation where someone goes and argues a garden variety motion (in my absence doing other work) and comes out with an unrelated decision saying the equivalent of Icky has to go back to High School, College and Law School. Really that the defendant gets a do over on a month of discovery.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-14-2017 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 512058)
I can think of many other alternatives, all likely to apply to some people.

Two of the big swings going to Democrats these days are young people and college educated people. I think both come to us because they see the party as more rational and sane as much as serving their interest. The fact that we've lost people attracted to the batshit crazy shouldn't make us forget that we get people by not being batshit crazy.

Sure, but do they get more by saying whatever works in the moment?

LessinSF 12-14-2017 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 512033)
Can we deduct up to $10k in state income taxes AND up to $10k in property taxes? Or is $10k the cap for both total?

Both total, and what remained unclear/undecided as of yesterday is whether one has to choose one or the other, or can combine them to reach the $10,000 cap.

Also, California would appear to support the strippers are employees side of the argument. https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranc...ettlement.html

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-14-2017 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 512044)
Strip clubs are like Churches.

This line was not adequately appreciated.

Tyrone Slothrop 12-14-2017 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 512062)
Both total, and what remained unclear/undecided as of yesterday is whether one has to choose one or the other, or can combine them to reach the $10,000 cap.

Also, California would appear to support the strippers are employees side of the argument. https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfranc...ettlement.html

Seems like strippers could be either employees or independent contractors, depending on the job.

LessinSF 12-14-2017 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 512064)
Seems like strippers could be either employees or independent contractors, depending on the job.

Hand or blow?

sebastian_dangerfield 12-14-2017 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 512065)
Hand or blow?

For IRS “control of work” assessment, a blow job is clearly 1099 territory. A hand job is arguable (client could self-complete).

Hank Chinaski 12-14-2017 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 512060)
Much too kind. I agree with "fucktard" as closer but we are talking about a situation where someone goes and argues a garden variety motion (in my absence doing other work) and comes out with an unrelated decision saying the equivalent of Icky has to go back to High School, College and Law School. Really that the defendant gets a do over on a month of discovery.

Hate the judge, not the player. Two months ago I was in a mediation with a very smart Fed Judge and pond scum opposing. We had trial scheduled to start last week. We told Judge these guys will settle because they will not let a Jury near a patent verdict. They knock off 50 ideas each year and make $300 Million. But they never settle until the jury is inevitable. And as I sat there she agreed to move the trial back 6 months so that they could flesh out some issues that mean nothing to nobody. For that matter, better to be stupid in front of a judge, at least the fucked decisions won't bother you so much.

Icky Thump 12-14-2017 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 512067)
Hate the judge, not the player. Two months ago I was in a mediation with a very smart Fed Judge and pond scum opposing. We had trial scheduled to start last week. We told Judge these guys will settle because they will not let a Jury near a patent verdict. They knock off 50 ideas each year and make $300 Million. But they never settle until the jury is inevitable. And as I sat there she agreed to move the trial back 6 months so that they could flesh out some issues that mean nothing to nobody. For that matter, better to be stupid in front of a judge, at least the fucked decisions won't bother you so much.

You fucked up. You told her they would settle. She figures settle on your clock not hers. And if not you just lost 6 months. No lose.

This is far more fucked up. This, she agreed to let a defendant redepose a plaintiff that was deposed for 13 days because they forgot to ask some questions.

Hank Chinaski 12-14-2017 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 512068)
You fucked up. You told her they would settle. She figures settle on your clock not hers. And if not you just lost 6 months. No lose.

This is far more fucked up. This, she agreed to let a defendant redepose a plaintiff that was deposed for 13 days because they forgot to ask some questions.

Honestly, I cannot remember a Judge ever denying another bite at deposition. I think afraid to create a reversible issue. Different in state?

Ty@50 12-15-2017 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 512032)
Really? Intriguing. I assume you tried to figure out what you were posting just prior to being blocked? Any leads as to what the offending tweet might have been? Did you interact with him by replying to or commenting on one of his tweets or however one interacts on Twitter? Of course, it is possible that, after interview upon interview with frothing ideologues and drooling morons in order to fill 24 hours every day with something that someone might want to watch and that might somehow arguably be related to "news," he decided to block everyone. Hell is other people indeed.

Forget worrying about that. We need to power up the greedy associate energy into making sure our contracts with our assisted living homes are as they should be!

SEC_Chick 12-15-2017 09:08 AM

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It's cool to know that as an in-house securities lawyer, I am still qualified to be a federal district court judge! FTR, that's an R asking those questions, reportedly pissing off other Rs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4616f22e81e9

Icky Thump 12-15-2017 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 512069)
Honestly, I cannot remember a Judge ever denying another bite at deposition. I think afraid to create a reversible issue. Different in state?

Context. It’s like your wife sending you out for milk and you coming back saying you sold the car, adopted out the kids and brought home 90kittens.

Hank Chinaski 12-15-2017 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 512071)
It's cool to know that as an in-house securities lawyer, I am still qualified to be a federal district court judge! FTR, that's an R asking those questions, reportedly pissing off other Rs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4616f22e81e9

Plenty of Judge appointees have no court experience. It's political payback in many many cases. My old mentor suggested this for appointee protocol: When a Judge dies or retires, court officers block the doors out of the court house. The President must then pick the new Judge from lawyers in the building. At least that way we get a Judge that has a decent chance of some knowledge.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-15-2017 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 512071)
It's cool to know that as an in-house securities lawyer, I am still qualified to be a federal district court judge! FTR, that's an R asking those questions, reportedly pissing off other Rs.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.4616f22e81e9

Well, he hasn't made it on to the court yet. Let's see how Sen. Kennedy actually votes.

If he does make it through, you and I are both qualified!

To be fair, I'd worry less about either of us than some of those recently approved. And the biggest reason to not vote for this guy is that he's a complete hack (Federal Election Commission? We're talking swamp central there, the land of the soulless), not just unqualified.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-15-2017 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ty@50 (Post 512070)
Forget worrying about that. We need to power up the greedy associate energy into making sure our contracts with our assisted living homes are as they should be!

I thought we put Penske in charge of this one.

Adder 12-15-2017 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 512050)
True, I'm probably describing the American rural I'm most family with (upstate NY). Which is probably among the least diverse rural areas in the country (on par with Pennsylvania). And I'm being a bit hyperbolic in doing so.

But I wasn't talking about rural cities, whatever they are. Even Birmingham Alabama doesn't fit the model I was talking about.

Probably should have said town, but I was thinking, in particular, of Wilmar, Minnesota. There's also a apparently a good-sized Somali population in St. Cloud, although sprawl has sort of turned it into an exurb.


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