Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

I've been waiting for this confirmation of your socialism. Well-played all these years, sir, well-played.

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

Yes.

TM

I can't believe you wasted the electrons necessary to write this post.
 

Seriously? WTF is wrong with you? Scooter Libby leaked Valerie Plame's identity for political reasons. He made a conscious decision to burn her. Hillary did no such thing. She may have been stupid or reckless, but she at least facially complied with (stupid) rules about handling email. Again: Libby intentionally burned someone, Clinton did not. If you think that Libby should not have been prosecuted, what's the rationale for wasting any more brain cells on what Clinton did? Do you really think that what she did was any worse than the federal handling of non-public information like the PII of myself and many other ex-federal employees, which was hacked by the Chinese?

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

Public officials do not have "private" correspondence where their public duties are concerned. Her correspondence in her official capacity is supposed to be discoverable and reviewable. That's sort f the rules of the game.

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

Whatever one wants to set as rules of the game, there is no reasonable way to conduct diplomacy without some back-channel secret communications. It's simply the way things have to work - there may need to be one conversation where someone approaches the administration off the record to figure out what the reaction would be if they then approached the administration on the record.

This has been the way of diplomacy for thousands of years. If we decide that's not how we'll play, then someone else will need to take on the most sensitive negotiations and we'll have to step to the sidelines on them.

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

So who is everyone going to vote for in their respective primary?

I'm going for Auntie Hill myself.

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

Do you think there are any Bernie Bros among us?

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

Here are my predictions:

Slave: Cruz, is there a bigger ass to vote for?
TaxWonk: Bernie, of course
Ty: Hill, with reluctance, because she's not perfect
TM: Hill, but in a close call
Sidd: O'Malley, for the win!
Sebbie: Christie, for the brawling
Hank: Bush, unless a duller candidate comes along
RT: Hill, I mean, who da biggest policy wonk in the field!?
Dtb: Hill, regardless of the boys.
Les: Bernie, now that Paul has dropped
Atticus: Trump - the man just discussed land-use regulation in a debate!

So I'm betting at least a couple of votes for Bern here.

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

That's the beauty of the spoken word and the handwritten note. They are more easilykept back-channel.

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

I guess Hill, or Colin, or Condi could have done diplomacy by snap-chat

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

Clinton, if for no other reason than by double-default.

First default, because she's the only Dem I can take seriously as a candidate or as a potential President.

Second default, because Sanders will be out by then, so even if I were remotely interested in voting for him I wouldn't have the option.


Perhaps I'll cross party lines and vote for Trump, just for shits and giggles.

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

It's like I don't even exist. It's like I never existed. What the fuck kind of big brother bullshit is this? Good luck with your war on Eurasia.

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

oh, you missed it. they figured you were my sock, so you fall in the hank slot. two reasons: 1 we were the only two posters that paigow would consider marrying and 2 we both hate obama but we let slave down by (besides stealing paig's heart:confused:) not posting hate posts here every day.

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

2

There's a lot to like about what Sanders wants to do, but he's not running for Legislator In Chief.

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

FWIW, I still love you, man.

SlaveNo(Gottaloveprettypeople)More

Re: I can't believe you wasted the electrons necessary to write this post.
 

Armitage. I know Google is a rival, but try it sometime.

You remember law school, right? When they taught you that certain offences had nothing to do with actual intent.

I should just stop here.

[rolling my eyes]

It is still something of a question whether they burned the body of Ambassador Stephens after they repeated raped and killed him, so "burned" is truly up for debate.

uh...he went to jail

Fucking disgusting. "People lie cheat and steal all the time, so what"

We always could agree to disagree, but you used to have some principles.

SlaveNo(wow)More

So...
 

When Hillary also loses South Carolina, who become the DNC front-runner - Biden or Bloomberg?

SlaveNo(I can see actually either of them winning)More

Re: I can't believe you wasted the electrons necessary to write this post.
 

I literally don't understand any of your post until the end. What are you trying to say?

"People lie cheat and steal all the time, so what?" If I understand correctly -- and I may not -- Hillary's decision to keep e-mail on a server at her house actually complied with the applicable regulations. Those regulations are doubtless stupid, because as a former federal employee I can tell you that the federal regulations governing the maintenance of things like email are both useless and hopelessly overprotective. Chinese hackers have stolen my information from the federal government. Anyone who is all agitated about what Hillary did with her email who also doesn't give a shit that Chinese hackers have information about me stolen from federal computers can blow me. And, frankly, that seems to be all of them. The outrage about Hillary's email is 100% selective.

Re: I can't believe you wasted the electrons necessary to write this post.
 

You're doing it wrong. All reasoning starts with "Hillary is evil" and goes from there. Or so seems to be the reasoning of the Bernie Bros.

Re: I can't believe you wasted the electrons necessary to write this post.
 

But not in Michigan. WTF is up with that?

Perhaps this is something to discuss on the Fashion Board.

Re: I can't believe you wasted the electrons necessary to write this post.
 

Did you just call me a "Bernie Bro"?

Are you new around here?

SlaveNo(Socialist)

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

We all know you're with The Rents Too Damn High.

Re: I can't believe you wasted the electrons necessary to write this post.
 

No. But you have something in common with them.

Re: I can't believe you wasted the electrons necessary to write this post.
 

Something else happened here?

Bernie and Bros. Delicatessen
 

Really? We all love a good pastrami sandwich with a Dr. Brown's black cherry soda?

[Who doesn't, for that matter?]

And BTW, that term is sexist, offensive, and a dog whistle for the anti-semites.
You should put up a "trigger warning" next time you use it.

SlaveNo(I've been called a lot worse. so at least there is that)More

Re: Bernie and Bros. Delicatessen
 

This word does not mean what you think it does, Bro.

Re: Bernie and Bros. Delicatessen
 

There are two sexes, last time I checked.

[Then again, there may actually be 130 and counting http://ageofshitlords.com/list-of-al...enders-so-far]

Would you prefer [my preferred term] "Misandrist"?

SlaveNo(Adder being Adder)More

Flint
 

Okay, so here's this: I tried to talk about a Flint water issue with my ultra lib uncle Sunday. It did not go well.

My point was this- fry anyone who ignored or hid a problem- fine. If the legion's deaths can be tied to the water switch, and the decisions otherwise meet the requirements of a crime- pros-EY-cute!!!

But for decades people drank water from those lead pipes, not just in Flint but everywhere and not everyone is brain damaged- (adder is the exception that proves the rule and sidd's anger could be from some other cause).

I explained to my unk that it bothered me that the hype keeps saying kids have been brain damaged when that is not true. Of course there are lead levels that have been set that were ignored. I'm not trying to excuse that, but to say the children are now brain damaged seems too sad.

Roger and Me came out a long while ago. It accurately shows how fucked up it is to be born in Flint- decades ago. Those kids have challenges that will prove too much for most. Why write stories saying they have been brain damaged when that is simple hype.

Again, the standards for lead were set- any one that tried to hide the levels were not met" Fry them, but don't further discourage kids that have this impossible road anyway.

Any hints on how I can make this point w/o getting attacked for defending the cover up?

Re: Flint
 

I thought that the problem was not just with the pipes, but also with water that caused lead from the pipes to leach into the water. I.e., water flowing through those pipes from another source would not have the same toxicity.

Re: Flint
 

It goes like this: Flint got its water from Detroit water company. Most of SE Mi does but Flint is a long way away. Another water supply company started to be built from Lake Huron. It would be cheaper but a few years off. I believe Flint committed to it, Detroit said fine then you are off ours. While Detroit did continue to offer new contracts maybe they required a committment away from the new supply? Anyway they decided to switch to the Flint River until the new supply could get going.

I've never seen the Flint River but it can't be good. And like editorials up here are saying if you can't get decent water in Michigan, then WTF?

The Flint River water had fecal bacteria so they shot chlorine into it. Except if you do that you need to put an anti-corrosive material in it, which they did not. How can all that be in drinking water?

Anyway the chlorine ate into the pipes leaching lead. It was ignored, or hidden, for some time. Eventually the decision was made to switch back to Detroit water but the pipes are compromised now so it doesn't matter.

That is sort of what happened I think.

Re: Flint
 

Here's the thing.

I only know a few people from Michigan.

I'm not sure they all haven't been brain damaged.

Pipes? Genetics? Something else?

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

I am not allowed to vote in either primary as I am an independent, but Kasich is the best of a bad lot.

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

Sure Bernie earned most of the delegates in NH, but I just think he needs to realize someone who earned so much needs to give it to someone else who needs more.

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

How to change someone's mind, according to science

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

I am crossing my fingers to see Bernie win the popular vote and Hillary pull it out at the convention on Superdelegates. After NH, combined with what appears to be some voter fraud in Iowa (but I thought that never happens!), it appears the Democrats are having difficulty with the actual democracy aspect of the primaries.

Re: Speaking of Satan....
 

OMG. Les going for a hardcore statist in his old age.

The universe cries.

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

I like to just tell people who are wrong to just suck it.

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

Suck it.

Mother should I run for president.
 

You know I love you like a niece who made the inexplicable decision to go to Podunville State instead of Podunkville University - I'm always glad to see you, even if your RW politics just make me shake my head.

Anyhoo, I could be wrong, but I don't think Bernie wins the "popular vote" (in quotes because the caucus rules are just so fucked up) in the run up to the convention. And if he does, he will get the nomination.

Why? The Democratic Party's delegate selection rules were seriously reformed after the 1968 disaster of a convention (by the McGovern Commission, interestingly, and which new rules enabled George to get the nomination despite the opposition of the Democratic Establishment) (back when there was such a thing - George Meany of the AFL-CIO, the UAW, the remaining New Deal machers like Tommy "the Cork" Corcoran, the bosses like Daley and the O'Connells et al.) and it's hard (though I suppose Not Impossible) to win the "vote" and not get the delegates under those rules. No more winner take all primaries (which I think the GOP kept for a while), for example.

And I think that the idea that the pledged super delegates she currently has will stay with her if Gospoden Sanders rolls up the numbers on the regular delegates is questionable. By the end in 2008, the super delegates didn't stick to Hilary.

Anyway, I also think that the Hilary/Bernie contest is ultimately a good thing for the party. I don't agree with either one of them on everything, but they are engaged in a substantive discussion about what happens next for the party, and how it wants to try to implement those goals. One may not like the policies that the two are kicking around, but I think that they way they are treating each other is (for the most part) on the merits and with honesty and respectful disagreement. Reagan Bush in 1980 was somewhat similar, as was Bush Dole in 1988. Maybe even (until South Carolina) W vs. McCain in 2000 had that. I don't think the GOP has had that since.

Carry on.

ETA: Jesus, I overuse parentheticals. Hope you can read this.

Re: Mother should I run for president.
 

It's like you're Antonin Nino to her Ruth Bader. What a lovely Valentine pair you are!