Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

Is this thing on?

Re: Who's the prez? That's easy, man. He used to be on Death Valley Days, John Wayne
 

Well it sounds like ya could be but ya aren't.

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

Wait. Is this serious?

If so, does a turntable* qualify as an "actual instrument" in your mind? How about beat boxing?+ A TR-808?^ A computer?~

TM

*https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEKRAn-ZleM

+https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtop6MCENsY

^http://www.rollingstone.com/music/vi...w-doc-20141015

~https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aayZ9ybDTBw

Re: Who's the prez? That's easy, man. He used to be on Death Valley Days, John Wayne
 

There's a difference. You can be freaky and non-burnt freaky. But if you're making trips to Tijuana to see just how dirty it gets, you're definitely getting burnt.

TM

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

There's a turntable class at Berklee: https://www.berklee.edu/courses/ilen-333

'course, they also teach electronic music composition and production, so they're probably not a real music school: https://online.berklee.edu/courses/i...sic-production

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

OH MY FUCKING GOD, this displays such an incredible fucking ignorance of the artistry and creativity that goes into making hip hop music (and also writes off pretty much ALL electronica and most pop music today as non-music), it makes my fucking head explode. Go watch Hip Hop Evolution and The Get Down and Scratch and . . . actually, don't bother. You clearly have so little concept about how most "music" has been made in the last 30 years that you are completely beyond hope. You probably listen to the little top 40 songs and imagine real live musicians playing horns and strings and other "legitimate instruments" because you lack any fucking clue about music today. But let me say with absolute certainty that so many of the DJs and producers who created the music behind the rappers were far greater musicians and musical visionaries than so many of the technically gifted but musically pedestrian session musicians that created the background for the singing that you enjoy.

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

Exactly.

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

Everyone I know who graduated Berklee is excellent at telling when the burger is medium well.

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

You're supposed to be an old white dude who gets drunk and spouts his philosophy.

"No! You little shits... Get your history straight! He's wasn't in fucking REM! But he should have been in Sublime... But that's another story. Get that frisbee off my lawn or I'll keep it!"

This should never leave anyone's permanent playlist.

If you mix up NWA, Motorhead, Dead Kennedys, and the first three PE records, you get a running mix that inclines you to amazing levels of aggression - some pointless, but most validated.

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

That is, demographically speaking, political suicide.

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

That's all well and good but I've moved on. My musical life right now revolves around how the Pipa and Urhu can work with a full orchestra and electric violin.

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

Yes.

No.

There may be some exceptions, but we're in crotchety old white dude territory here so they can be ignored.

ETA: Okay, so I'll give beat boxing a maybe and grant Ty the choral exception, although I'm not a big fan of choral music in general.

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

I know you're trying to be cutesy, but this is so fucking stupid that I wouldn't expect it from you.

TM

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

Context: The wife says I hate music. I used to argue with her. But really, I have a pretty narrow window of music I do like.

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

Ok, you started digging, everyone told you maybe you want to stop, and you're just keeping on, digging deeper and deeper. Maybe it's time to hand you a shovel, sit back, and laugh at the sheer stupidity of it all.

So, to be clear, the day Dylan went electric was the day the music died, right?

Now, who wants a beer?

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

If he had even the beginning of a an inkling of a sliver of a clue about how Grandmaster Flash or DJ Premier or the Bomb Squad created their non-music, it might be worthwhile trying to have a conversation with him, but he is the modern equivalent of the backwards moron who dismisses all abstract art as "scribblings my kid could do" and thinks of jazz improvisation as "just playing random notes." So there is no point in even having the conversation. And non-music proponents have little to worry about because almost every song on the Billboard charts is non-music, so it is doing fine commercially without him.

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

We are not talking about music you like. We are talking about the definition of "real music."

You seem fairly woke to the marginalization of whole ethnicities and their contributions in all other aspects of society. So your lack of recognition of a long tradition of people with limited resources and access making something beautiful out of essentially nothing is stunning.

Hip hop music is as original, creative, subversive, and post-modern as any art form you can think of. If you can't see the beauty in poor kids taking a turntable and turning it into an instrument that creates a new kind of sound with extraordinary skill, while also sampling the creations of others and turning their sounds into something new and amazing--a true representation of what one thinks of as the tradition of what it means to be American--then you need to rethink your philosophical approach not only to music, but to life.

TM

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

You may recall that this began with me calling myself a bigot.

But you're right, I should not say "real music."

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

No. I think he's convinced me. This isn't music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgYJjCgZoJA

TM

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

You should think about the context of when you've heard others say some ridiculous fake ass, self-deferential bullshit like this. For awhile.

Fair enough.

TM

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

I have said it before, Jazzy Jeff is severely underrated as a pure hip hop DJ (although I think less so these days). Tens of thousands of hours of DJing went into building those skills. Just amazing.

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

For quite some time he was the best. His connection to Will Smith helped and hurt him. That clip isn't even close to his best work. He was (is) amazing.

TM

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

this isn't a real president.

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

Parents Just Don't Understand did not help his street cred.

Re: Looking for answers to questions that bothered him so.
 

True, but they just don't.

TM

Fashion/Politics cross over!!!!
 

Thanks
 

Donald, for fucking up a great scene in a great movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSH3xWNUWi4

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Since any declaration by me concerning music would be met by contempt, derision and condescension, I'll switch to law and politics.

One of my favorite cases to cite is The Chimney Sweeper's Jewel, Armorie v. Delamarie, 1 Strange 505 (1722). Whenever the opportunity arises, I cite this for the proposition that an adverse inference arises when a party in exclusive possession of something refuses to produce it. In that case, a chimney sweep found a ring, gave it to a jeweler, and asked for an appraisal. The jeweler lowballed the value, and refused to return the stone, returning only the setting to the chimney sweep.

At trial the jeweler refused to produce the jewel. The court held the chimney sweep had superior title, and that damages would be the maximum value of a stone that would fit in the setting. There was an adverse inference against the jeweler who hadn't produced the stone.

We are the Chimney Sweeps. Trump is the Jeweler. The stone is his tax return(s). By adverse inference, his tax returns contain information which would disqualify him from the Presidency. This has both logic and law on the side of the Chimney Sweeps, unlike, just to pick an example out of thin air, the fabrication of Trump's nonsense about Obama's Kenyan birth.

Let the trial begin! Trump has the proof. Let him produce it or resign.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

The trial was in November.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Please tone down the contempt, derision and condescension embedded in this response. Ferrets is sensitive to these types of sentiments.

Belgian funk? I guess the Chakachas decided to get down and dirty in the land of cyclocross and frites. The Daily Dose is "Jungle Fever":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp-NIC6X0GQ

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Contempt, derision and condescension? How about anger, grief and desolation?

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Don't try to confuse me with your alternative emotions.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I'm no more thin skinned than most people here, I just follow the rule that when there isn't a point to be made, I won't bother. My views on music engender blather; the discussion doesn't advance.

To the merits of "The trial was in November,": Nuts. In no particular order:

1. If those tax return had been released, I doubt that the 100,000 votes in three swing states that gave Trump his electoral college victory would have gone his way.

2. The facts remain unclear NOW. I assert he has irreconcilable and disqualifying ties with foreign governments NOW. This is an ongoing issue not settled by his election. The adverse inference applies NOW.

3. The elections of 2008 and 2012 did not prevent Trump from fraudulently attacking the legitimacy of Obama's qualification to be President. So the fact that Trump won in November does not, by his prior conduct, settle such an issue.

4. Trump states that only the dishonest media cares about his tax returns...citing his electoral college victory. Trump had not cited any data in support for this statement. There is no such data. It is a fabrication that is is completely and demonstrably wrong. Seventy four per cent of the public disagree:

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...se-tax-returns

5. Before you whine that The Hill is part of an anti-Trump conspiracy,
two recent polls by Pew Research Center and ABC come to the same conclusion. The polls, both released within the last two weeks, show that 60% and 74% of Americans, respectively, want the returns to be released. According to the ABC data, 49% of Trump’s own supporters say he should release his tax returns, as well as 94% of Clinton supporters and 83% of those who stated they had either another (or no) preference for US president.


6. The most popular petition on the new White House website also shows major interest in the returns, garnering more than 200,000 signatures since it was posted Friday—twice the amount needed for an official response.

6. When these tax returns are made public (anyone care to bet if they are made public before the 2016 presidential election?) all of the people like the guys in my Army platoon who voted for Trump will be pissed about paying more taxes than a draft dodging slob who inherited more money than they will make in the collective lifetimes. And the line that "I used the laws of the United States brilliantly" won't have the same appeal.

Those tax returns are coming out. He would have lost the election had they been out in November and he knows it.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

British friend made these observations after attending an energy conference in Abu Dhabi:

Russian connection....1) Trump owes Blackstone/ Bayrock group $560 million dollars (one of his largest debtors and the primary reason he won't reveal his tax returns)
2) Blackstone is owned wholly by Russian billionaires, who owe their position to Putin and have made billions from their work with the Russian government.
3) Other companies that have borrowed from Blackstone have claimed that owing money to them is like owing to the Russian mob and while you owe them, they own you for many favors.
4) The Russian economy is badly faltering under the weight of its over-dependence on raw materials which as you know have plummeted in the last 2 years leaving the Russian economy scrambling to pay its debts.
5) Russia has an impetus to influence our election to ensure the per barrel oil prices are above $65 ( they are currently hovering around $50)
6) Russia can't affordably get at 80% of its oil reserves and reduce its per barrel cost to compete with America at $45 or Saudi Arabia at $39. With Iranian sanctions being lifted Russia will find another inexpensive competitor increasing production and pushing Russia further down the list of suppliers.
As for Iranian sanctions, the 6 countries lifting them allowing Iran to collect on the billions it is owed for pumping oil but not being paid for it. These billions Iran can only get if the Iranian nuclear deal is signed. Trump spoke of ending the deals which would cause oil sales sanctions to be reimposed, which would make Russian oil more competitive.
7) Rex Tillerson (Trump's pick for Secretary of State) is the head of ExxonMobil, which is in possession of patented technology that could help Putin extract 45% more oil at a significant cost savings to Russia, helping Putin put money in the Russian coffers to help reconstitute its military and finally afford to mass produce the new and improved systems that it had invented before the Russian economy had slowed so much.
8) Putin cannot get access to these new cost saving technologies OR outside oil field development money, due to US sanctions on Russia, because of its involvement in Ukrainian civil war.
9) Look for Trump to end sanctions on Russia and to back out of the Iranian nuclear deal, to help Russia rebuild its economy, strengthen Putin and make Tillerson and Trump even richer, thus allowing Trump to satisfy his creditors at Blackstone.
10) With Trump's fabricated hatred of NATO and the U.N., the Russian military reconstituted, the threat to the Baltic states is real. Russia retaking their access to the Baltic Sea from Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia and threatening the shipping of millions of cubic feet of natural gas to lower Europe from Scandinavia, allowing Russia to make a good case for its oil and gas being piped into eastern Europe.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Am I the only one who finds Mike Pence scarier than Trump who owes Russia?

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

You have to factor into that calculus the fact that Trump comes with Pence as a probable policy influencer as VP, more so than previous VPs.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

You're in Texas, I assume you have lots of folks around who get excited when the price of oil goes up. Fundamentally, key parts of the deep red state economy may have more similar economic interests to those of Russia than to those of East or West Coast or Midwest rust-belt states. Tillerson and Putin may see eye to eye on a lot of issues. That goes for foreign policy as well.

Bed Bath & Beyond! (Fuck yeah!)
 

Yes. As indicated by appointing Sessions as AG (and the anti-bathroom dude from NC as the head of the Civil Rights Division) and the restoration of the anti-abortion (actually anti any funding for any group that even mentions abortion) foreign aid language.

Trump and Pence - all the risk of nuclear war *plus* the religious right's social policy!