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Adder 01-09-2015 08:39 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 492946)
No, all three are dead, but Coulibaly's girlfriend is on the run.

Since we've been laying heavy emphasis on the Islamic motivations for the brothers' attack on the magazine offices, we should maybe pause for a moment to remember that Coulibaly targeted a kosher grocery out of anti-Semitism. During the siege, he told a reporter "that he committed these acts to defend “oppressed Muslims” notably in Palestine, and targeted the Kosher grocery store because he was targeting jews."

Not that I think anyone here disagrees with any of this, but I think it kinda got lost.

One of the people killed in the grocery was linked to me by fewer degrees of separation than I would have guessed.

What happened to the guy who reportedly turned himself in yesterday?

Hank Chinaski 01-09-2015 08:56 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 492946)
No, all three are dead,

there were 2 shooters and a look out at charlie. last night the look out supposedly turned himself in. the guy who hit the Kosher deli was a fourth person, no?

Not Bob 01-09-2015 08:59 PM

Re: Turn on the radio, the static hurts my ears.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 492945)
I'm sorry, you had to be introduced to Elvis C and the Police? That was main stream radio. Icky's band might require a secret key, but geez.

Tell me about it. Nope, it wasn't mainstream radio stuff - at least for the 1980/81 Podunkville market. The Police got there with Ghost in the Machine or maybe Synchronicity, but I don't think I ever heard Elvis on the radio until I made it off to college, where the hopheads who programmed the student-run station really liked Armed Forces.

Hank Chinaski 01-09-2015 09:07 PM

Re: Turn on the radio, the static hurts my ears.
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 492950)
Tell me about it. Nope, it wasn't mainstream radio stuff - at least for the 1980/81 Podunkville market. The Police got there with Ghost in the Machine or maybe Synchronicity, but I don't think I ever heard Elvis on the radio until I made it off to college, where the hopheads who programmed the student-run station really liked Armed Forces.

what ever radio I was listening to when Roxanne was first played was not edgy, but I recall:

duh, duh duh, duh..... ROXANNE...

and Watching the Detectives was on rotation there. I mean shit, Elvis's whole SNL Radio Radio thingy had happened by 1980. Were you not aware of SNL? You'd have love gilda radner's hairdo.

Not Bob 01-09-2015 09:48 PM

Re: Turn on the radio, the static hurts my ears.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 492951)
what ever radio I was listening to when Roxanne was first played was not edgy, but I recall:

duh, duh duh, duh..... ROXANNE...

and Watching the Detectives was on rotation there. I mean shit, Elvis's whole SNL Radio Radio thingy had happened by 1980. Were you not aware of SNL? You'd have love gilda radner's hairdo.

Weren't the original Not Ready for Prime Time Players all gone in 1980-81? That was the first Era of SNL Suckosity, IIRC. Besides, at that point I was working in a restaurant on Saturday nights, so wasn't watching even if Gilda was still on. (I was more of a fan of Jane Curtain's hair as a youth, though looking back at the old episodes now, I have concluded that Lorraine Newman would probably have been the most fun to hang out with). Gilda, though, then and now was the funniest.

But your point that I lived a sheltered musical life is accurate.

Hank Chinaski 01-09-2015 10:16 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
nvm, the terrorists are fucked http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/09/tech...do-terrorists/

Adder 01-09-2015 10:30 PM

Re: Turn on the radio, the static hurts my ears.
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 492950)
Tell me about it. Nope, it wasn't mainstream radio stuff - at least for the 1980/81 Podunkville market. The Police got there with Ghost in the Machine or maybe Synchronicity, but I don't think I ever heard Elvis on the radio until I made it off to college, where the hopheads who programmed the student-run station really liked Armed Forces.

Jesus? You're old.

Not Bob 01-09-2015 10:42 PM

24 and there's so much more.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 492954)
Jesus? You're old.

This shocks you? I've been posting Prufrockian angst here since you were studying for your Mr. Belding versus Zach: Legal Issues Raised in "Saved By The Bell" 3rd year finals.

taxwonk 01-09-2015 10:43 PM

Re: Turn on the radio, the static hurts my ears.
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 492942)
But. Anyway, I have self-medicated with a Manhattan (Makers) and a little Zenyatta Mondatta played at high volume. Make the best of what's still around, indeed. As I'm sure I've mentioned before, the Punk Rock Girl* introduced me to the Police and Elvis Costello, and after hearing nothing other than all of the corporate AOR that monopolized the airwaves of Podunkville on 97 Rock and Quad 107, that album hit me like the light striking down Saul on the road to Damascus.

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My Aim is True pretty much changed my life.

Hank Chinaski 01-09-2015 11:31 PM

Re: Turn on the radio, the static hurts my ears.
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 492956)
My Aim is True pretty much changed my life.

mid life crisis?

Tyrone Slothrop 01-09-2015 11:45 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 492949)
there were 2 shooters and a look out at charlie. last night the look out supposedly turned himself in. the guy who hit the Kosher deli was a fourth person, no?

I thought the guy who turned himself had a strong alibi -- he was in school, according classmates -- so if so then the driver is still out there.

Eta: http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...r-mourad-hamyd

http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-da...g-mourad-hamyd

ThurgreedMarshall 01-10-2015 08:45 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 492940)
1. I don't think this analogy is as useful as you seem to think.

2. You've changed your claim from general radical violence to violence over blasphemy.

3. Of course everyone being more against violence would help, especially against violence in retribution from blasphemy, but probably not very much. The people doing it are alienated from the mainstream by definition.

4. Putting the onus on non-violent Muslims borders on blaming exactly the wrong people. Dalia did not do or condone this.

This post is almost completely useless. Stop wasting my time.

TM

Not Bob 01-10-2015 11:25 AM

I wish that I could stop you from talking when I hear the silly things that you say.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 492959)
This post is almost completely useless. Stop wasting my time.

Next board motto! Thanks to both of you for the inspiration.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-10-2015 11:52 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 492931)
Someone (Hank?) asked me what is to be done. I think this piece is excellent, including this part:

Which I guess is quite a bit of it.

2. The economic underpinnings of this can't be denied. Radical Islam is the direction for the directionless.

But this forces another question. Why is it Islam? Why not other religions? This leads to a problem with the fundamental structure of Islam. Unlike almost all others today, only Islam retains the proposition it is superior to, rather than merely apart from, the state. It is the only religion remaining politically involved in not only impacting policy, but in the demand it be directly involved in governing.

This works in Indonesia and Iran, where Islam and the state have found an uneasy detante. It does not work well in an extremely secularist society like France. Hence, when the disaffected look for an outlet that attacks the state around them which mires them in segregated poverty, it's inevitably Islam.

Islam needs to have a Second Vatican counsel in which it definitely rejects: (1) Jihad; and (2) Its directives that states must conform to Islam, and, that non-adherents be converted. Until it does so, its radical variants will remain magnets for angry losers like these Charlies Hebdo assassins.

Catholicism learned to play nice with the nation state structure. It took a while, but it got there. Judaism has always been largely cooperative, and Hinduism, despite being politically involved early on, has for centuries recognized the religion/state division. Islam can get there. But we need to start talking about it doing so on a more aggressive timetable. Its extended adolescence is getting a bit trying.

(Of course, we could all grow the fuck up and stop arguing about whose man in the sky is right, which would remove attractive nuisance ideologies like Radical Islam... But this is, sadly, asking too much of the average superstitious, frightened animal man remains.)

Adder 01-10-2015 01:53 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 492959)
This post is almost completely useless. Stop wasting my time.

TM

Thanks for your constructive feedback.

Here's the thing you need to deal with: don't snitch is a problem with everyone in the community who does not snitch. Extremist violence in the name of Islam (or in retaliation for blasphemy) is not a problem with the people who do not perpetrate the violence.

No matter how hard moderate Muslims do not perpetrate extremist violence, their actions don't stop it. All it takes for a community with a "no snitching" culture to fix is for responsible citizens to snitch.

These things are not meaningfully similar.


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