Re: Re: music, movies, vanity, etc.
 

Maybe so, but you have to admit, Mick is, as the Brits are wont to say certainly "cheeky" enough to sing backup on a song that was about him.

spooky(just a thought)fish

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ESPN Page Two (Sport's Guy) on Chris Robinson at the Academy Awards: "Kate Hudson wins the Oscar for Best Actress In The Audience Who's Apparently Married to a Homeless Man."

Re: Re: music, movies, vanity, etc.
 

Its about Warren Beatty. ENd of discussion. I dont think James Taylor owns racehorses and learjets . The guy in the song didnt marry her. obviously.

Re: Re: Re: music, movies, vanity, etc.
 

For Christ's sake, would someone throw her a chunk of meat (or soy) or something? We have a short thread about this song and an interminably long and boring thread about what it means when men look at women (and vice-versa). End of fucking discussion indeed.

Tell you what Paigow, we'll stop if you will.

spookyfish

Re: Re: music, movies, vanity, etc.
 

I've always heard its about Beatty.

Ned Beatty, of course...

"Now squeal like a pig"

Why is Carly soooo hot? She ain't really hot, her lips put Steven Tyler to shame, her chin protrudes more than Johnny Unitas', but nevertheless... I'd just love to bang her...

S(she's just so naughty)D

Re: PM question
 

Um, isn't that better proof of the theorem, "Never communicate with the paigow"?

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I think the test is how you men would feel about comments from male passers by. It's not necessarily a male ego thing, but a question of whether or not there's a perceived threat. I don't think that most men perceive a threat from a woman who makes a comment about them. But I also think that a lot of straight men feel somewhat threatened by gay men who make appreciative comments. (Though a recent discussion with what I thought was a rednecky type revealed that once straight guys realize the free drink potential at gay clubs, the terror level goes back down from orange to green.) Women are somewhat conditioned to feel a degree of threat from advances from unknown straight males.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fake Tits and Str**sand
 

Aha. Good point. There's some meat on that bone (so to speak).

And I actually have experience in this area. The analogy is a good one, except that homosexuality (even in NYC) is not the norm. Therefore, my initial reaction, which could be viewed as negative is more often one of surprise.

The first time it happened (when I was very young and the person was a little too old to be saying what he said), I was quite angry. However, I have no problem with it now, especially since it so rarely happens. Although I will note, I think they have little signals which tell each other they are open, which an unsophisticated hetero might not pick up, like a prolonged stare or a question where the answer is obvious. Awhile back it used to be an untucked hankie in the back left or right pocket. Some thought that the earring in the right ear (in the early 80s) was a signal, but I think this one's made up. But I digress.

I can tell you that when I am ready for it (meaning it won't be a surprise), it certainly doesn't upset me. It rarely happens, but on occassion when in the village or Chelsea, I will get hit on. No big deal and actually somewhat flattering. Others may get offended that someone might think that they are gay, but if you're not actually gay, what difference does that make? In fact, a friend of mine had a going away party at an uber-gay bar in Chelsea and invited me. I got there and walked all around it trying to look for him. When I found him, he was surprised that I noticed that none of the guys had out and out (no pun intended) hit on me (smiley stares notwithstanding) and asked him about it. He laughed and explained that it was clear by the way I was walking (I guess a tipoff in this particular club) that I wasn't gay. Maybe he just didn't want to tell me that he didn't like my clothes.

So, how does this relate to my question? I think to answer, it probably doesn't bother me because it happens so infrequently, although it certainly wouldn't piss me off it happened all the time.

TM

Extremism in Sexism and Feminism
 

Look - everyone is somewhat right and somewhat wrong here.

Women who have their tits sticking out of their shirts do so for one reason and one reason only - to get male attention. However, it is one thing to look at them, another thing to stare at them, and even another thing to stare at them and say - "Whoa, Mama, where'dya get those hot lookin' tatas!" The problem is that there really are women who would like a man to scream that kind of shit at them. You can usually tell who they are because they have their tits hanging out of their shirts and are dressed like cheap whores in public. So men get confused.

Here is a rule of thumb for you guys to use. If the tits are hanging out of the shirt, look but don't stare. She wants you to look at them, that is why she has them displayed that way. If the tits are hanging out of the shirt and she is dressed like a cheap whore in public, stare at them. She really wants you to stare and shout something indicating your sexual desire for her, but if you do that and aren't a construction worker actually at work when she walks by, it makes you look bad.

Women who wear ugly Jones of NY suits and carry coach bags are not looking for attention from men, and are sure not to get any in an androgynous get-up like that. So, guys, if you are a freak of nature and would be turned on by that type of outer wear, leave women who are dressed like that alone! They are obviously trying to turn you off so get a fucking clue.

Leagle feels uncomfortable with the women in her class wearing low cut shirts because, for her (our) generation, it was not considered appropriate to wear low cut shirts to class. The younger people suckled on a diet of MTV and they don't see anything wrong with it. In their minds, if you flaunt your sexuality at a funeral it is appropriate. So Leagle, get a clue. They aren't trying to send you any sexual signals with their choice in dress. They are just trying to wear what they perceive as hip clothes. They have different fashion mores than we do and if you insist on making teaching them the law part of your career, you will have to get used to them dressing that way. Don't let it make you feel uncomfortable. It is just a tit.

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TM,

For cats who never agree on shit, we've had some similar experiences.

I've been hit on a few times by gay dudes, and I find it nothing but flattering. What the hell? Why not take a compliment.

The only time it freaked me out was when I found a note on my car when I was leaving the gym which said "I've been noticing you and wonder if you'd be interested in meeting me. I'm a GWM. I'm tan, attractive and into weight lifting." That one freaked me out a bit. I parked elsewhere for a long time and always looked over my shoulder... The last thing I needed was to wake up in an alleyway with a chloroform hangover and a KY Jelly slick on my ass.

S(maybe its because of my lipstick and eyliner)D

Re: Extremism in Sexism and Feminism
 

I think your newer signature line would have worked better with this post.

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QUALIFIER:

I wasn't freaked out because I have some fear of gay folks being sexual predators. I'm not homphobic. I do, however, have an intense fear of secret admirers and people who'd leave anonymous letters asking for dates.

Re: movie stars in song
 

I think that David Geffin is also the "faggot" that Dire Straits is talking about in Money for Nothin.

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Nope- I didn't read it that way. Nor did I get the impression that I did from leagl's post - it was just an overall thing, and I popped in on a "reply" at no specifically-aimed point. (It was mostly just timely, as I was in a discussion of rights v. politeness this morning.)

"Women who wear ugly Jones of NY suits and carry coach bags are not looking for attention from men"

Hope that doesn't include my Coach computer case since I know that has "do me" written all over it.

That monogramming must have cost a fortune. :D

sf

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Which is why you concerned about the "KY jelly slick on your ass"? 'Cause we all know predatory chicks are looking to do guys in the butt all the time.

On the bigger picture, though, I felt pretty good the night I went out with a group of folks (about half men/half women). One guy kept staring over at us. The women were convinced he was staring at one of them. I was convinced he was checking me out. Proved my take on the situation when I walked out 15 seconds ahead of the rest of the group, and his eyes followed me right out the door, leaving the women in the group cursing their defective gaydar.

David Eggers, at it again?
 

Does anyone know anything about this?

http://www.believermag.com/

Am told it's a new magazine published by McSweeney's.

re: re: re: re: re: re: lines....
 

PSA: whenever you quote someone's post it adds an extra "re:" to it. until we can get a fix for the issue, just delete the extras.

Re: Extremism in Sexism and Feminism
 

But what of those of us who have such astonishingly perfect bodies for our ages, particularly our perky breasts and butt, that no matter what we wear we get comments? Is this just the price we pay for beauty?

Re: David Eggers, at it again?
 

Since the "subscribe" button goes to McSweeney's, I think that you can probably safely rely on your source.

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I've been agreeing more often with what you've been posting lately, I just don't post to tell you.

Besides, it's more fun when we're at each others throats, fucko.

TM

It is so Hard to be a Guy
 

Paigow - I agree with you that you shouldn't be stared out or whistled out if you are wearing normal clothing. But you have to admit that there are women who wear outfits purposefully to get that reaction from men. I just think if they see a women who isn't dressed in one of those tits-hanging-out-everywhere kind of outfits, the men should realize that the catcalls and stares aren't appreciated.

For those of you who think what I have said is anti-feminist, or is otherwise a blame-the-victim mentality, I offer you this link to one of those women. SPEE- Naked pictures of some of the ugliest 20 year old breasts I have ever seen in my life. In addition, naked female asses. This is one of the most pathological woman I have ever had the unfortunate experience of reading about:

Patholgical Attention Seeking Woman's Website

With Tits Like This, Can You Blame Her For Wanting Implants?

Another Plastic Surgery Procedure She Wants To Undergo to Get Male Attention

Below is a quote from her website for those of you who can't view nudes at work. With women like her walking this earth, do you blame men for getting confused about all this?

I am robustpuppy, don't abuse me for anon abuse
 

For some reason I cannot login as myself. I think my office PC does not agree with setting changes I made on my home PC.

Anyhew, over time I expect that we'll develop some new board etiquette rules specific to this new very awesome board. May I start with a request that we refrain from quoting posts in their entirety unless it's absolutely necessary? Especially when the post is verbose or obnoxious.

In all cases it aggravates my carpal tunnel, and in some cases it defeats the ignore function. (Not you Sebby, you hep cat.)

And is everybody convinced that JFF is a man?

robustpuppy

"But what of those of us who have such astonishingly perfect bodies for our ages, particularly our perky breasts and butt, that no matter what we wear we get comments? Is this just the price we pay for beauty?"

Well, that always been my experience. I just try to live with it.

Re: I am robustpuppy, don't abuse me for anon abuse
 

I hope so. Some time back someone accused her of being lady val, who I believe was Coleman Youngster. I think they were right.

Re: Re: movie stars in song
 

That's not consistent with the urban legend I heard, which is that the entire song is a literal transcription of an actual conversation that Mark Knopfler overheard between two blue collar workers while he was waiting for his SO to complete a transaction in a department store.

Obviously, he embellished it a bit, but having worked in the blue collar world, I can say the treatment of the subject matter rings true.

re: re: re: re: re: re: lines....
 

ok, I fixed that. sorry if you got an error there for a second while trying to make a new reply.

Re: Extremism in Sexism and Feminism
 

I learned long ago to accept the things I cannot change. This is my fate and I have learned to live with it.

JFF's lovely link
 

I concede that if a woman puts photos of her works up on a web page, and describes in detail what she has and what she wants implanted where, it's a fair bet she's looking for viewers.;)

Her mother must be so proud.

What, so I miss one day and now I'm pages and pages behind? damn!

My IT department (you know who you are!) has been reading my posts, so I haven't decided what to do about this. I may reincarnate myself, if I feel the need.

And to chime in with the ogling/pervy stares/whistles conversation - this can be sort of threatening, but much depends on whether the whistler/ogler is a hot young construction worker who keeps his distance or the creepy homeless guy (drunk ugly guy at bar, obnoxious co-worker, etc...) who keeps following you and grabbing for you. The construction guy is just juvenile, the rest start messing with my comfort level.

I have been hit on by lesbians on several occasions - several have commented that they like my hair (is that a common pick-up line or what?) - it was suprising, but nothing more - (but no stalker-type messages - that would have been a bit funkier.)

Lastly, lesbian or otherwise, unless you are in our IT department, you are all free to stare at (or think about, because I'm not posting them) my boobs and make non-threatening comments, because I am quite proud of them right now. Apparently this estrogen poisoning does a lot more than just cause me to pee a lot.

-TL :bounce:

Re: movie stars in song
 

Really? I always thought that the the blue collar "narrator" of the song was talking about your basic early-Eighties sorta androgynous singer who was so popular on the MTV playlist then. Like a Boy George, Adam Ant, or Simon LeBon.

I am robustpuppy, don't abuse me for anon abuse
 

Yes.

JFF's lovely link
 

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JFF is my fantasy girl.
 

She is not a guy, you jealous bitches. Some day, she and I will marry, and I will teach her to be more compassionate to people who disagree with her. I will teach her through the healing power of lovemaking.

Re: Re: Extremism in Sexism and Feminism
 

Here's one fact of life that's inescapable. No matter how polite or profeesional the gentlemen around you, if your "high beams" are on, we can't help but looking at your tits.

I was talking to a friend of mine at a pool a few weeks back and a brisk breeze came by. I had to excuse myself. Shit, my wife walks in front of me braless in a t-shirt and I completely lose my train of thought.

Seeing chicks in the office with beams is simply too much. The worst is having one start talking to you seriously and realizing that she has no idea those things are on full blast. How in the hell can't chicks realize that?

If you want to ensure you won't get leered at this summer during high air conditioning season, the first step is to get a high beam proof bra.

S(FYI)D

JFF is my fantasy girl.
 

Flower, I say the sooner the better. Whip out that ring. Let's ask Leagl to preside at the ceremony. And then you go girl, teach away...

But I trust you're still Prettier than she is, right?

Lesbian Pick-Up Lines and Estrogens Inflating Powers
 

Very comman lesbian pick-up line that has been twice used on me accompanied by touching of my hair.

Yes, estrogen does inflate them, but at what price? On another topic, the very point that you are proud of your breasts because they are fuller in many ways actually confirms what some of the guys here were posting. Why do full breasts make you feel proud?

Discuss amongst yourselves.

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Really? You've heard women (plural), say they were disappointed that they didn't hear comments from strangers on their walk from point A to point B? I'm not saying you're lying, but that is so far out of my realm of comprehension as to leave me dumbfounded. No doubt such women exist, I've just never met one.

Now, this is just my opinion (I don't pretend to speak for all women -- but, without being too presumptuous, I think I can speak for the women of my personal acquaintance), it is always (or as near to a mathematical certainty as is humanly possible) a bad thing to hear shouted comments about my appearance from men I don't know.

Sure, I can construct a hypothetical where an unsolicited comment might not squick me out or make me feel uncomfortable, -- say, some dude in an elevator makes a polite comment -- says he likes my suit (or whatever). However, I think the kind of comment you are talking about (or that this unending thread is talking about) are along the lines of "hey baby, lookin' good" (and its ilk) comments that carry that whiff of sexual innuendo, a slightly leering quality, that is at best unappealing and at worst, threatening. That's never good.

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It's what she says when she hopes to hear the following:

"Are you kidding?!!! You look so hot!"

Even(had a very gorgeous, yet shockingly insecure girlfriend)Odds