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robustpuppy 11-15-2006 04:35 PM

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
By balancing on the one knee you have buried in the seat, with the rest of your frame jammed between the car seat and the roof of the SUV (and/or sticking out of the open door).

All the while pulling as hard as you can on those damn straps, in sequence, while your face is red and you are cursing liberally. Until that motherf-ing seat WILL NOT move!!

It is very hard.

And then, your wife takes the car seat up to the fire department for inspection, and you receive the news that: "The firemen said that you did a very good job for someone who didn't know what he was doing . They said it didn't meet code, but the seat wasn't going anywhere."
The Nordstrom lady said the same thing about my bra.

SEC_Chick 11-15-2006 05:03 PM

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So... what will the young ones be getting this holiday season?

Santa is bringing the Chicklet a Radio Flyer Walker Wagon, a Fisher Price Learning Table, some board books and wooden peg puzzles, bubbles, some Kindermusic scarves/chime balls/egg shakers, a shape sorter, and some other smaller stuff I can't think of right now.

ETA the Chicklet will be approximately 9 months.

nononono 11-15-2006 05:23 PM

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Originally posted by SEC_Chick
So... what will the young ones be getting this holiday season?

Santa is bringing the Chicklet a Radio Flyer Walker Wagon, a Fisher Price Learning Table, some board books and wooden peg puzzles, bubbles, some Kindermusic scarves/chime balls/egg shakers, a shape sorter, and some other smaller stuff I can't think of right now.
Please post ages with present stuff. I am this very minute wrestling down a panic attack reading your very specific list when I haven't a clue what mine will be getting.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-15-2006 05:26 PM

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Originally posted by SEC_Chick
So... what will the young ones be getting this holiday season?

Santa is bringing the Chicklet a Radio Flyer Walker Wagon, a Fisher Price Learning Table, some board books and wooden peg puzzles, bubbles, some Kindermusic scarves/chime balls/egg shakers, a shape sorter, and some other smaller stuff I can't think of right now.
Books (oldest is totally book crazy - this is by request), art supplies of all stripes, some sports equipment, and a load of plastic crap they've been itching for that will fall apart within a couple of days. Nothing so far that is particularly out-of-the-ordinary, so ideas would be nice.

More importantly, what do the women posting here want - I need ideas.

Flinty_McFlint 11-15-2006 05:37 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Books (oldest is totally book crazy - this is by request), art supplies of all stripes, some sports equipment, and a load of plastic crap they've been itching for that will fall apart within a couple of days. Nothing so far that is particularly out-of-the-ordinary, so ideas would be nice.

More importantly, what do the women posting here want - I need ideas.
My little ones (girls about 3 and 1.5) will be getting a wooden play kitchen set with all the accessories, some lemonade stand/pretend market thing. My wife has spent the better part of 40 hours researching this stuff, and I'll probably wind up spending 10 putting them together in the garage. And then then the next 4 years hearing them bang all the parts together.

eta: before you get all protest-y that I'm reinforcing gender stereotypes, you should know that my suggestion was play power tools. I got shot down.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-15-2006 05:48 PM

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Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint

eta: before you get all protest-y that I'm reinforcing gender stereotypes, you should know that my suggestion was play power tools. I got shot down.
You're letting your wife get away with reinforcing gender stereotypes?

I wonder if in households where the husband is a carpenter, and works at home, little girls would actually want a tool table instead of a kitchen.

Trepidation_Mom 11-15-2006 06:02 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
More importantly, what do the women posting here want - I need ideas.
A babysitter.

bold_n_brazen 11-15-2006 06:04 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
You're letting your wife get away with reinforcing gender stereotypes?

I wonder if in households where the husband is a carpenter, and works at home, little girls would actually want a tool table instead of a kitchen.
Brazenette, aged 3.5, is getting (against mommy's wishes), Baby Alive.

Other than that, I think that the kids digital camera by Little Tykes is a definite.

Beyond that, I have no idea.

Cletus Miller 11-15-2006 06:11 PM

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Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
Other than that, I think that the kids digital camera by Little Tykes is a definite.
Little Tikes makes one too? I can vouch for the Fisher Price kids camera--actually takes reasonable pictures outside. The flash pictures are less consistent. Make sure to get a sd card, too, as the onboard memory is fairly small.

Alex_de_Large 11-15-2006 06:12 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Most cars don't have the proper connections. using the two inner connections from the outer seats is not recommended, or approved per latch/isofix.
I though that 3-spot LATCH was the norm. My bad.

Alex_de_Large 11-15-2006 06:13 PM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
It's not the latch -- the seatbelt is just as effective, and no harder to tigthen. It's not having the tether, and even without the tether, the seat seems more secure in the outboard position with back of the front passenger seat just against it. It's also much easier to take her in and out without bumping my head or hers.
Ease of entry and exit is the main reason we have baby dL behind the passenger seat.

Alex_de_Large 11-15-2006 06:18 PM

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Originally posted by SEC_Chick
So... what will the young ones be getting this holiday season?

Santa is bringing the Chicklet a Radio Flyer Walker Wagon, a Fisher Price Learning Table, some board books and wooden peg puzzles, bubbles, some Kindermusic scarves/chime balls/egg shakers, a shape sorter, and some other smaller stuff I can't think of right now.

ETA the Chicklet will be approximately 9 months.
That a lot of stuff for a 9 month old. I recently attended a birthday party for my 1 year old niece and she received a SUV load of presents, on top of the room full of shit that she already has. it struck me as a waste: she is liable to lose interest in/outgrow (developmentally) half of the stuff she got before she even gets to it. I don't know, the whole thing struck me as excessing.

Then again, maybe the thought of that much shit in my narrow house scares the shit out of me, and I'm just projecting...

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-15-2006 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by Alex_de_Large

Then again, maybe the thought of that much shit in my narrow house scares the shit out of me, and I'm just projecting...
I see the amount of stuff kids have these days and it's astounding. Perhaps it's generally greater wealth, or my peer group compared to my parents', but it's frightening.

Cletus Miller 11-15-2006 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I see the amount of stuff kids have these days and it's astounding. Perhaps it's generally greater wealth, or my peer group compared to my parents', but it's frightening.
Greater wealth is definitely part of it, but another thing is how cheap kids stuff is today as compared to 25 years ago. Many things (e.g. legos) are approximately the same price in nominal dollars. Other things are nominally cheaper, at least when they are on sale--we've purchased board games at Target for less than $4 that I am absolutely certain were more than $5 when I was a kid. It's all about Chinese manufacturing.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-15-2006 06:30 PM

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Originally posted by Cletus Miller
It's all about Chinese manufacturing.
I'm told that the metal Tonka trucks I had as a kid are collectors' items, given the cheap plastic imitations that are now sold. Next thing you know, cars won't have chrome bumpers any more and they'll be using plastic there, too.

ETA: Cletus, you need an avatar:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi.../dd/Cletus.gif

bold_n_brazen 11-15-2006 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by Cletus Miller
Little Tikes makes one too? I can vouch for the Fisher Price kids camera--actually takes reasonable pictures outside. The flash pictures are less consistent. Make sure to get a sd card, too, as the onboard memory is fairly small.
Maybe it is Fisher Price. Those are details, man. Whatever gets her to stop playing with my Canon (dropped repeatedly in and around the Grand Canyon this summer, to my horror).

Cletus Miller 11-15-2006 07:11 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
I'm told that the metal Tonka trucks I had as a kid are collectors' items, given the cheap plastic imitations that are now sold. Next thing you know, cars won't have chrome bumpers any more and they'll be using plastic there, too.
Almost any toy that has most examples of it basically destroyed by the kids playing with them become collectors' items. They have re-introduced some metal into the Tonka trucks recently, but they still basically suck compared to when we were kids.

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

ETA: Cletus, you need an avatar:

Done. Thanks.

And BnB--I wan't picking on the details--actually curious if there were two toddler friendly cameras on the market. The FP camera is cool and our son digs it, but it doesn't completely stop him from wanting to see our cameras too. One reason is that the LCD is pretty poor compared to "real" digital cameras.

nononono 11-15-2006 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
You're letting your wife get away with reinforcing gender stereotypes?

I wonder if in households where the husband is a carpenter, and works at home, little girls would actually want a tool table instead of a kitchen.
Good grief. I got both. I use the tools more often than the kitchen stuff (grown up versions, both), but I know my way around both. And, ftr, I always did both the researching *and* the putting-together (and the wrapping, and the decorating...everything but the cooking). Which may explain a few things.

nononono 11-15-2006 07:17 PM

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Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
That a lot of stuff for a 9 month old. I recently attended a birthday party for my 1 year old niece and she received a SUV load of presents, on top of the room full of shit that she already has. it struck me as a waste: she is liable to lose interest in/outgrow (developmentally) half of the stuff she got before she even gets to it. I don't know, the whole thing struck me as excessing.

Then again, maybe the thought of that much shit in my narrow house scares the shit out of me, and I'm just projecting...
Just wait a couple of years. Except for the baby toys, most of the rest will not be throw-away-able, and it just grows, even if you are restrained in the acquisition.

Flinty_McFlint 11-15-2006 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
You're letting your wife get away with reinforcing gender stereotypes?
Yeah, tell me about it. She also makes me go to work and everything. It's archaic.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 11-15-2006 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
Just wait a couple of years. Except for the baby toys, most of the rest will not be throw-away-able, and it just grows, even if you are restrained in the acquisition.
Parents have only minimal control over acquisition once all the various other gift givers, from grandparents right on down, are factored in. Might as well throw in the towel and participate in the frenzy.

tmdiva 11-15-2006 07:41 PM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Parents have only minimal control over acquisition once all the various other gift givers, from grandparents right on down, are factored in. Might as well throw in the towel and participate in the frenzy.
Yeah, my kids are the only grandkids on my husband's side, and we'll be with them for Christmas. From us, each kid will get one main gift and one Santa gift, plus stocking stuffers. But we're not exactly the types to make them wait until Christmas before getting something.

tm

SEC_Chick 11-15-2006 07:47 PM

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Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
That a lot of stuff for a 9 month old. I recently attended a birthday party for my 1 year old niece and she received a SUV load of presents, on top of the room full of shit that she already has. it struck me as a waste: she is liable to lose interest in/outgrow (developmentally) half of the stuff she got before she even gets to it. I don't know, the whole thing struck me as excessing.

Then again, maybe the thought of that much shit in my narrow house scares the shit out of me, and I'm just projecting...
And I thought I was restraining myself at a total of less than $150 spent and 2/3 of it appropriate to be passed down to other future Chickadees!! Certainly restrained when compared with my peers. The wagon is literally size appropriate to be pushed by a one year old and everything else (except for the learning table which is maybe an 18 inch cube of space assembled) fits in it. And I am putting away the swing and bouncy seat to make room for it so the amont of crap is static. Of course, Grandma and Grandpa Chick live on a farrm 2 hours away and have a giant (room for 6-8 cars) garage/storage shed so that I have a place for the outgrown crap.



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nononono 11-15-2006 08:03 PM

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Originally posted by SEC_Chick
And I thought I was restraining myself at a total of less than $150 spent and 2/3 of it appropriate to be passed down to other future Chickadees!! Certainly restrained when compared with my peers. The wagon is literally size appropriate to be pushed by a one year old and everything else (except for the learning table which is maybe an 18 inch cube of space assembled) fits in it. And I am putting away the swing and bouncy seat to make room for it so the amont of crap is static. Of course, Grandma and Grandpa Chick live on a farrm 2 hours away and have a giant (room for 6-8 cars) garage/storage shed so that I have a place for the outgrown crap.



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GGG is right, though - when the chicklet is a bit older and having birthday parties, most plans for quality, durable, classic toys that require imagination will be heavily supplemented by crap you never wanted in your house but are too guilty just to toss. That said, if those scarves you mention are good quality, they'll last forever - I bought a set of rainbow silk scarves when nolette1 was 2 that provide all kinds of dress-up options (they're big enough to be skirts, capes, dresses, accessories for interpretive dance... you name it). Unfortunately, they're also jammed into a gaudy "dress up" trunk that also contains a dozen+ varieties of princess dresses, many of which have Disney characters on them. I guess it's nice they have the ability to dress up like any manner of ballerina or princess at will, but I remember wearing my recital leotard/tutu ensemble for years and cherishing it for the very fact of its significance and uniqueness.

dc_chef 11-15-2006 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by nononono
If your idea of "fitting" is tits squeezing out over the front
It is if I'm the judge.

dc_chef 11-15-2006 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
My little ones (girls about 3 and 1.5) will be getting a wooden play kitchen set with all the accessories, some lemonade stand/pretend market thing. My wife has spent the better part of 40 hours researching this stuff, and I'll probably wind up spending 10 putting them together in the garage. And then then the next 4 years hearing them bang all the parts together.

eta: before you get all protest-y that I'm reinforcing gender stereotypes, you should know that my suggestion was play power tools. I got shot down.
We got my daughter a play kitchen when she turned two. It is her favorite toy. She even played with it more than some of her Elmo dolls. And that's saying a lot.

dc_chef 11-15-2006 08:42 PM

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Originally posted by Alex_de_Large
I though that 3-spot LATCH was the norm. My bad.
Only in larger cars, from what I've seen.

robustpuppy 11-15-2006 10:21 PM

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Originally posted by SEC_Chick
And I thought I was restraining myself at a total of less than $150 spent and 2/3 of it appropriate to be passed down to other future Chickadees!! Certainly restrained when compared with my peers. The wagon is literally size appropriate to be pushed by a one year old and everything else (except for the learning table which is maybe an 18 inch cube of space assembled) fits in it. And I am putting away the swing and bouncy seat to make room for it so the amont of crap is static. Of course, Grandma and Grandpa Chick live on a farrm 2 hours away and have a giant (room for 6-8 cars) garage/storage shed so that I have a place for the outgrown crap.



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Razormouth has that exact wagon and LOVES it. Almost as much as she loves the box, wooden spoon, and wooden trash can.

Paisley 11-15-2006 11:01 PM

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Razormouth has that exact wagon and LOVES it. Almost as much as she loves the box, wooden spoon, and wooden trash can.
Razormouth is adorable in that pic!

You guys are all amazing. I have only picked up a gift or 2 for each. I will need to get serious soon, as Hanukkah is only weeks away.

Alex_de_Large 11-16-2006 09:15 AM

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Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
Parents have only minimal control over acquisition once all the various other gift givers, from grandparents right on down, are factored in. Might as well throw in the towel and participate in the frenzy.
We have already tried to restrain our parents in this area, though, with the little one's 1st birthday fast approaching, I fear the dam may burst.

SEC_Chick 11-16-2006 09:22 AM

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We have already tried to restrain our parents in this area, though, with the little one's 1st birthday fast approaching, I fear the dam may burst.
I talked my entire side of the family into giving donations to the Chicklet's college fund instead of crap for Christmas and birthdays. DH's side of the family will buy crap anyway, hideously tacky crap, but I can generally give it to goodwill in a year or so and no one remembers.

SEC_Chick 11-16-2006 09:27 AM

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Originally posted by robustpuppy
Razormouth has that exact wagon and LOVES it. Almost as much as she loves the box, wooden spoon, and wooden trash can.
Love the pic of Razormouth! Adorable!

Which reminds me of how the Chicklet recently sprouted razors. She just got her first teeth a couple of weeks ago and everything was going pretty well. Last weekend, she bit me for the first time-- HARD. I exclaimed "AAAAAAHHH!" and pulled away as it was completely unexpected. Instead of just grunting and lunging to get back on, as she normally would, she looked at me and then her whole face crumpled up and she started crying. It seemed like the first time anyone had hurt her feelings and she was so sad, not just a "I'm hungry. Gimmee milk" whine. She was inconsolable for a couple of minutes and I felt terrible. It happened 2 more times that afternoon including hurt feelings) but she hasn't bit me since, thank goodness.

mommylawyer 11-16-2006 01:39 PM

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Man what are you guys waiting for - I am DONe with Christmas for the kiddos

Kid #1 - age 5 - boy
- chicco Smile camera - so i guess there are 3 in the market
- monopoly jr
- dinosaur jugsaw puzzle
- extra carttridges for his leapster which is the only gift from last christmas he still plays with 5x a week
- he is learning to read so he requested and is getting a big set of letter blocks
- operation
- pick up stix - he learned to play this summer visiting my 72 yr old aunt..loves it, $2 new on eBay!


Kid #2 - age almost 4 - girl - the artiste!
- 130 wood block set
- dora hop ball
- tempura paint and no-spill containers (she got the easel last year)
- chute & ladders
- Mr potatohead
- giggle doodler 9for traveling)
- backyardigan junior rollerskates
- dora Magnetic drawer doddler

total - about $225. We went a little overboard with number one the first 2 years, but this is plenty!

i just have to pick up some stocking stuffers and i am done. done with spouse too, except stocking stuffers - which are usually travel size grooming supplies (he like kiehl's) to restock his travel kit

My wishlist has about 3 purses, some blingy heidi klum birkinstocks, and a blank space i haven't filled that used to be a pair of rain boots until i tried them on and they don't fit me well so i'll think of something!

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-16-2006 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by mommylawyer
- monopoly jr
why not just call it oligopoly? (hi Ty!)

viet_mom 11-16-2006 11:23 PM

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For 3 and 4 year olds (and maybe even younger) I highly recommend the Storyreaders:
http://www.amazon.com/Story-Book-Rea.../dp/B0000A03CZ

They are so simple to use and lightweight unlike the bigger and more complicated Leap Pad readers (for those the child has to press the "go" thing all over the different pages). You turn the page, and the story continues - no fussing. Vietbabe LOVES them. We find them in drugstores like Walgreen but I think you can order them online.

On a completely unrelated note - I'm always amazed at how quickly toddlers adopted from foreign countries (that speak languages other than English) pick up English. But this video, taken right after the adoption while still in Viet Nam, is adorable - the toddler boy and his Dad are trying to read a book together and the toddler is correcting the Dad's Vietnamese (a language SO hard to speak as it's so tonal): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjrOU-kVOLo

mommylawyer 11-17-2006 10:14 AM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by viet_mom
For 3 and 4 year olds (and maybe even younger) I highly recommend the Storyreaders:
http://www.amazon.com/Story-Book-Rea.../dp/B0000A03CZ

They are so simple to use and lightweight unlike the bigger and more complicated Leap Pad readers (for those the child has to press the "go" thing all over the different pages). You turn the page, and the story continues - no fussing. Vietbabe LOVES them. We find them in drugstores like Walgreen but I think you can order them online.

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Agreed we bought one of these for kid #1 when he was 3. Poor number 2 - she ends up with a lot of cool stuff second hand. we just pick up a few new cartridges...

taxwonk 11-21-2006 01:48 PM

For very precocious youngsters?
 
There are some things Dora shouldn't explore

Dora's Dildo

TexLex 11-22-2006 01:38 PM

Set of blocks each.
Several books each.
Cars, trucks, cars, trucks....
Kitchen utensils and canned food set for their kitchen.
Toy shelves for each bedroom.
Mini-magnadoodle for the car trip.
Playground ball each.
Flashlight each.
For #1 - Chutes & Ladders, Candyland (original, not DVD version), Some other game - the one with ice.
For #2 - A few wooden puzzles.
Possibly a 1gal fish tank with fish.

About half of that we've bought with various gift cards and the shelves are coming from grandma/grandpa, total expense.....not very much at all. We do not plan to go nuts this year.

For Vietmom - my Russian neighbor ran across some Russian-born adopted toddler twins here who spoke perfect English and the mom told her they didn't speak Russian any more. She asked for persmission to speak to them in Russian and she said that their faces just lit up and they started jabbering away. The mom was blown away - she thought they had forgotten it.

viet_mom 11-22-2006 06:45 PM

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Originally posted by TexLex
For Vietmom - my Russian neighbor ran across some Russian-born adopted toddler twins here who spoke perfect English and the mom told her they didn't speak Russian any more. She asked for persmission to speak to them in Russian and she said that their faces just lit up and they started jabbering away. The mom was blown away - she thought they had forgotten it.
Interesting! At what age were they adopted? Funny: when we go to our local nail salon (Vietnamese - like most) the owners speak entirely in Vietnamese to Vietbabe and just dismiss me when I explain she was adopted at 3 months old and didn't have much vocal interaction (she basically spent those 3 months in the cold North wrapped in 10 blankets and fed - they stuck towels inside to clean things up - they didn't use diapers!) Vietbabe eggs them on by nodding and smiling as if she understands.

Or does she????

viet_mom 11-22-2006 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by mommylawyer
Man what are you guys waiting for
Christmas Eve day. (Seriously). I don't know WHAT to get - can't get books b/c we have 100's thanks to me being tired and punchdrunk one night on Amazon.com and kept hitting the "if you like....you'll also like...." She doesn't really play with toys -- does anyone else find that too? Bday was mid Sept. so we still have so much stuff. I don't know what to do for Xmas!!! She likes that KidzBop DVD (with that song Sk8er Boi) but I think there's only one. She isn't even into playing dress-up and won't even wear those cute slippers with large cartoon characters on the ends of them.


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