Originally Posted by Adder (Post 400429)

This would perhaps be a salient point if someone had been arguing that cheap things were the same as high-end luxury things. Thankfully, no one was.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 400426)

never know the joy of letting your feet interface with the environment as Jesus intended wells my eyes with a deep sense of pity.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 400375)

When you go to a fancy restaurant with your wife, do you order her the pasta and a glass of house wine because you don't want to splurge on chicken and a bottle of Chilean red?

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 400430)

Some "high end" brands, like Wolf/Subzero, Bose and any expensive fashion watch are actually probably lower quality than much less expensive alternatives.

For example, a nice Seiko will last longer than the piece of crap Michele watch that my wife has (for a third of the price).

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 400419)

I have one (not a Rolex, but a dive watch). It's not huge. Understated. The good thing about diving watches is their toughness, which I need since, as stated above, I beat the hell out of watches. Also, they are legitimately waterproof, so you can swim and not worry about it.

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 400430)

Some "high end" brands, like Wolf/Subzero, Bose and any expensive fashion watch are actually probably lower quality than much less expensive alternatives.

For example, a nice Seiko will last longer than the piece of crap Michele watch that my wife has (for a third of the price).

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 400439)

Perhaps. But try and compare that Seiko to a Patek Phillippe or a Breguet.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 400441)

Or, as someone helpfully restated my point for me, high end consumer goods are high-quality, "[n]ot in every case and surely not to the extent of the markup."

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 400439)

Perhaps. But try and compare that Seiko to a Patek Phillippe or a Breguet.

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 400422)

Or sweatpants for that matter.

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 400422)

Preaching to the choir. I hate socks.


Speaking of clothes, I realized the other day that I don't own a sweatshirt. Long-sleeved t-shirts? Yes. Long-sleeved fleece? Yes. But no sweatshirts. Or sweatpants for that matter.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 400409)

That's the fucked up thing about Santonis. The leather's super thin and supple, but it never gives. Ferragamos with heavier leather die after two years of wear.

Best solution to the cost of shoes is driving moccasins. I started wearing those to work many years ago and found that they save you a ton of money. Every shoemaker manufactures a decent moccasin, and unless they're Todds or some Gucci shit, they're usually a lot less than shoes. Wear those instead and you have to replace fewer pairs of shoes. They're also great if you're anti-sock, as I am.

Originally Posted by i was penske (Post 400438)

None of the above, chateaubriand and a bottle of 89 Petrus.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 400418)

Why would anyone wear socks voluntarily? Don't you like your feet to breath? They're the only thing I loath more than underwear. Tidy whiteys for the feet.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 400441)

Or, as someone helpfully restated my point for me, high end consumer goods are high-quality, "[n]ot in every case and surely not to the extent of the markup."

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 400423)

Of course you are, but that's because you're a jackass who can't see past your own two feet.

I am fairly certain I walk more than you, but if I don't, then you walk a whole hell of a lot. Well-made shoes (and these tend to be more expensive) do not give at the seams, do not have soles that wear out as quickly and quite simply, last longer. I do the same things in my cheap shoes that I do in my expensive ones and there is a significant difference. Just like there is a significant difference between an expensive tv and a cheap one or an expensive toaster and a cheap one. Cheap things are made cheaply.

TM

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 400431)

Who wears shoes at home?

TM

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 400444)

Try comparing a Rolex to those.

The Rolex is much closer to the Seiko than to a Vacheron.

Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 400445)

You are wrong. Zubaz count as sweatpants.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 400446)

That's to your credit. Guys cannot wear sweatpants. No matter how big you buy them, they outline more than they ought to. It's like saying, "Hey, check out my package."

Originally Posted by notcasesensitive (Post 400451)

And now I will annoyingly add that my best walking shoes are a $20 pair of Reef flip flops. Cause I can.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 400431)

Who wears shoes at home?

TM

Originally Posted by notcasesensitive (Post 400451)

I will note as unannoyingly as possible that your shoe example does not necessarily carry over to women's shoes. Super expensive luxury brands are no more likely to last a long time. Because women's shoes are made of ticky tack, sparkle, paper and air. There are exceptions in the "practical shoe" world, but the Jimmy Choos of the world are no more likely to last than the Nine Wests. Doesn't mean the Jimmy Choos aren't more stylish though.

And now I will annoyingly add that my best walking shoes are a $20 pair of Reef flip flops. Cause I can.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 400440)

I've worn this old Date skiing, in the ocean and dropped it so many times its face should have fallen off. You can find them used all over the place now because people in dire straits are hocking all their shit. Highly recommended. Every bit as durable as a Submariner. If there's something you can do to a Submarnier or something of its ilk you can't do to one of these, it's something so extreme you'd never do it.

Originally Posted by notcasesensitive (Post 400451)

I will note as unannoyingly as possible that your shoe example does not necessarily carry over to women's shoes. Super expensive luxury brands are no more likely to last a long time. Because women's shoes are made of ticky tack, sparkle, paper and air. There are exceptions in the "practical shoe" world, but the Jimmy Choos of the world are no more likely to last than the Nine Wests. Doesn't mean the Jimmy Choos aren't more stylish though.

Originally Posted by notcasesensitive (Post 400451)

And now I will annoyingly add that my best walking shoes are a $20 pair of Reef flip flops. Cause I can.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 400457)

Disagree. Who buys tight sweatpants? I buy these or warm-ups (which I'm not sure qualify as "sweatpants"):

http://walkbyfaithshoes.com/shop/ima...s-xxl-Blac.jpg

These types of sweat pants I haven't seen on anyone since Mark Bavaro was catching passes for the Giants:

http://mokellyreport.files.wordpress...weat-pants.jpg

TM

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 400448)

Shrimp myself, but the Petrus is a nice choice. 89 is a bit young still - have you tried the 85?

Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 400460)

Can a scotch and cigar debate be far behind?

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 400454)

Without a doubt. I'd rather have a Hamilton than a Rolex.

Originally Posted by lessinsf (Post 400461)

i am anti-watch like you are anti-sock. I hate the way they feel. As a result, i have lost every one i ever owned because i take them off, put them aside, and forget them. Who needs one anyway? I am surrounded by clocks. Cellphone, computer, alarm clock, tv, dvr, vcr, car, kitchen clock, etc.

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 400400)

You are unlikely to get the following with a $500 watch that you would probably get with a $1000 watch:

• Scratch resistant sapphire crystal (mineral crystal scratches - I've ruined two watches bashing them against something)
• Actual screws (instead of pins) on the bracelet
• Solid bracelet links (instead of hollow)
• Swiss movement, which has historically always been the best

A good Swiss made watch will outlive you.

I will agree that there isn't much difference between an Oris, Omega or a Rolex. The Omega costs probably twice as much as the Oris, and the Rolex probably costs three times as much as the Omega. I don't think any of them make their own movements (as the real high-end watchmakers do - Rolex is not high-end).

Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 400461)

I am anti-watch like you are anti-sock. I hate the way they feel. As a result, I have lost every one I ever owned because I take them off, put them aside, and forget them. Who needs one anyway? I am surrounded by clocks. Cellphone, computer, alarm clock, TV, DVR, VCR, car, kitchen clock, etc.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 400465)

You've reminded me (you can do penance for the rest of the board later), that scotch is another area where I will not spend my own money to go from good quality to high end. A 25 year old (or older) scotch may be a beautiful thing, but it is the kind of beautiful thing I will only enjoy when someone else (aka the firm) is buying.

Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 400460)

Shhhh. You're disturbing a fragile male display ritual in full flower. Shoes! Watches! Can a scotch and cigar debate be far behind?

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 400468)

the thing with expensive watches, or sunglasses for that matter, is i will leave them somewhere within a few months.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 400407)

A high-end watch is the most absurd of luxury items. Why not just get yourself a jewelled bracelet?

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 400469)

I feel naked without one.

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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 400460)

Shhhh. You're disturbing a fragile male display ritual in full flower. Shoes! Watches! Can a scotch and cigar debate be far behind?

Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 400471)

My dick is bigger than yours.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 400465)

You've reminded me (you can do penance for the rest of the board later), that scotch is another area where I will not spend my own money to go from good quality to high end. A 25 year old (or older) scotch may be a beautiful thing, but it is the kind of beautiful thing I will only enjoy when someone else (aka the firm) is buying.