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dtb 12-01-2009 01:10 PM
Generic Winter Gift-Giving Holiday Wish List
 
Among my younger boys "wished for" items:

Ninja stuff
Farting Machine
A cape



WTH? When their father was reading the list to me, I laughed at "a cape" and asked whether it was for his evenings out at the OP-era -- such as La Boheme. He thought maybe he was going for the Monopoly guy look.

sebastian_dangerfield 12-01-2009 01:12 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 408614)
Yeah, you make very good points. If you put it that way, I can see how it's intriguing.

I guess this is for other people to get excited about and not me. I like the Elliot Spitzer-style scandals and can get worked up about Kobe Bryant rape-like stuff. To me, this feels like Octomom/Jon & Kate blah.
Spitzer's still the gold standard because he was such a scolding Puritan. But Woods is close because, as TM noted, he's unblemished so far. The further the fall, the more satisfying the schadenfreude.

Octomom and Jon & Kate aren't apt comparisons because they started off train wrecks and pretty much ended up where you expected them to. Rode the arc, so to say.

sebastian_dangerfield 12-01-2009 01:13 PM
Re: Generic Winter Gift-Giving Holiday Wish List
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtb (Post 408627)
Among my younger boys "wished for" items:

Ninja stuff
Farting Machine
A cape



WTH? When their father was reading the list to me, I laughed at "a cape" and asked whether it was for his evenings out at the OP-era -- such as La Boheme. He thought maybe he was going for the Monopoly guy look.
I asked for a cape when I was little, after seeing Star Wars.

You're fucked. Send him to military school now.

PresentTense Pirate Penske 12-01-2009 01:14 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 408621)
duece.

Any big scandals recently in the Chess world?
Last one I can think of, off of the top of my head, was the Ivanchuk drug test brouhahaha at Dresden last year, but I am sure that there's something brewing. Those dudes are edgy.

PresentTense Pirate Penske 12-01-2009 01:15 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 408624)
I don't think so. I think he wants the record.
I don't normally agree with Adder, but, in this case, I will make an exception.

PresentTense Pirate Penske 12-01-2009 01:17 PM
Re: Generic Winter Gift-Giving Holiday Wish List
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 408630)
I asked for a cape when I was little, after seeing Star Wars.
.
I wear a cape sometimes. It's a good ice breaker with the women. What's the big deal?

Gattigap 12-01-2009 01:17 PM
Re: Generic Winter Gift-Giving Holiday Wish List
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtb (Post 408627)
Among my younger boys "wished for" items:

Ninja stuff
Farting Machine
A cape



WTH? When their father was reading the list to me, I laughed at "a cape" and asked whether it was for his evenings out at the OP-era -- such as La Boheme. He thought maybe he was going for the Monopoly guy look.
Superhero cape, most likely.

Explain to him, No Capes.

greatwhitenorthchick 12-01-2009 01:22 PM
Re: Generic Winter Gift-Giving Holiday Wish List
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 408635)

Explain to him, No Capes.
We are of the same mind today. "NO CAPES!!" was my first thought.

sebastian_dangerfield 12-01-2009 01:23 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 408607)
I don't know. Limbaugh has rabid, lunatic, mentally retarded followers who want to believe that the government will do anything to take him out. Outside of professing his love for Obama, I don't believe there is much he could do that would fuck up his celebrity with those that make up his audience. Tiger is just a golfer. And, although his fans (and I include myself in that group) are amazed by him, he really only gives a shit about his image and his corporate deals. At this point, I doubt he'd give a shit about majors if he thought he'd earn more by skipping them.

I think people love to see the mighty fall. And, although I doubt this stupid story will ever be close to bringing him down, I doubt we'll see the reaction you outlined, especially if he never actually discusses what really happened.

TM
But really... How does Woods "fall"? If he just keeps doing what he does, meaning win tournaments relentlessly, he'll overcome anything, and keep his every endorsement. That's the beauty of the guy. You can hate him all fucking day and he doesn't care. He'll make his statements on the course. And as long as he does that, the car companies and Nike will pour money into him. They won't have the option of not doing so.

He's one of those odd talents who's actually bigger than the media/PR game. Which might explain his arrogant reaction so far.

I, for one, love the "fuck you... I'll talk when I feel like it" pose. Says exactly the right thing to fans - "Leave me the fuck alone. I give you what you want. This is personal shit."

Fugee 12-01-2009 01:26 PM
Re: Generic Winter Gift-Giving Holiday Wish List
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtb (Post 408627)
Among my younger boys "wished for" items:

Ninja stuff
Farting Machine
A cape



WTH? When their father was reading the list to me, I laughed at "a cape" and asked whether it was for his evenings out at the OP-era -- such as La Boheme. He thought maybe he was going for the Monopoly guy look.
Harry Potter?

greatwhitenorthchick 12-01-2009 01:31 PM
Re: Generic Winter Gift-Giving Holiday Wish List
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtb (Post 408627)
Among my younger boy's "wished for" items:

Ninja stuff
Farting Machine
A cape



WTH? When their father was reading the list to me, I laughed at "a cape" and asked whether it was for his evenings out at the OP-era -- such as La Boheme. He thought maybe he was going for the Monopoly guy look.
Sorry, dtb, it was killing me.

ThurgreedMarshall 12-01-2009 01:32 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 408618)
No. Every time I see and hear him talk, I think of Eddie Murphy's impression of a white guy.
Okay. And I understand and appreciate the joke. But people (and I don't mean you particularly, because this applies to everyone, including black people) need to understand that black people are black because of the color of their skin. Because he doesn't speak with what people think of as "black vernacular" is irrelevant. In some cases it may be evidence of someone who is black who doesn't want to identify with other black people and isn't interested in their heritage or history. But the fact that speaking with a voice with less bass or using proper grammar, etc. enables so many to place him in the "not-really-black" category, starts to get offensive.

I hear this shit sometimes. Hell, a certain amount of education at all subjects you to this kind of garbage. "You don't talk black." "Thurgreed isn't really black." Yeah. All good fun until I want to fuck your lilly-white daughter. Then I get black again real quick, don't I? Cabbies don't care about grammar. Cops don't give a shit how you talk if you're in the wrong neighborhood. Partners don't assign work based on whether or not you speak well. And racists sure as hell don't care about any of that (please see treatment of Obama or do a google image search for Michelle Obama).

Anyway, not to get all serious, because I appreciate the joke, like it and sometimes use it myself. Just want to make sure that people don't get too comfortable with it.*

TM

*And this is one of the reasons why I love Chappelle so much. He walked away from $50 million dollars, at least partly, because of this.

ThurgreedMarshall 12-01-2009 01:33 PM
Re: Generic Winter Gift-Giving Holiday Wish List
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 408630)
I asked for a cape when I was little, after seeing Star Wars.

You're fucked. Send him to military school now.
Nah. Superman and Batman wear capes. He can recover.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 12-01-2009 01:37 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 408638)
But really... How does Woods "fall"?
Image tarnished. After everyone knows he has a crazy wife who smashes cars with golf clubs and hits him when she's angry, he just another schmoe with a lot of money.

I didn't say he would crash to Earth.

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-01-2009 01:38 PM
Re: Generic Winter Gift-Giving Holiday Wish List
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtb (Post 408627)
Among my younger boys "wished for" items:

Ninja stuff
Farting Machine
A cape



WTH? When their father was reading the list to me, I laughed at "a cape" and asked whether it was for his evenings out at the OP-era -- such as La Boheme. He thought maybe he was going for the Monopoly guy look.
Hey, our youngest two are getting fencing lessons for Christmas this year. They could use capes.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-01-2009 01:40 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 408648)
Image tarnished. After everyone knows he has a crazy wife who smashes cars with golf clubs and hits him when she's angry, he just another schmoe with a lot of money.

I didn't say he would crash to Earth.

TM
Maybe he gets a different but equally good image. Instead of being some golfing stiff with generic plastic fantastic arm candy, suddenly it seems there's a bit of passion in his life.

Tiger has always seemed dull dull dull.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-01-2009 01:44 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by PresentTense Pirate Penske (Post 408631)
Last one I can think of, off of the top of my head, was the Ivanchuk drug test brouhahaha at Dresden last year, but I am sure that there's something brewing. Those dudes are edgy.
Ah. Forget about that. Right up there with the rumored Kramnick/Arnand affair of a few years back.

Hank Chinaski 12-01-2009 01:48 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 408618)
No. Every time I see and hear him talk, I think of Eddie Murphy's impression of a white guy.
so you and Fuzzy Zoelller differ on at least this one issue?

Fugee 12-01-2009 01:48 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 408644)
Partners don't assign work based on whether or not you speak well.
Do you think you'd get the same work (or would have back when you were a baby lawyer and people didn't know your work product) if you spoke in a stereotypical "black" way at work? My guess would be that you wouldn't.

But that could just be my inner class-ist coming out.

dtb 12-01-2009 01:50 PM
Lively discussion topics
 
Those of you who don't read the food board may have missed the tidbit that the ex-LMA (curse you, e/o for making me type that...) is no longer ex-. The reasons still remain a mystery, as do the whereabouts and emotional state of the Chimney Sweep.

And in MY exciting life, I have become a knitting fiend. Hats, socks, sweaters, scarves, blankets, pants. The fun never ends!


Which of these things should we talk about?

Did you just call me Coltrane? 12-01-2009 01:50 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 408644)
Okay. And I understand and appreciate the joke. But people (and I don't mean you particularly, because this applies to everyone, including black people) need to understand that black people are black because of the color of their skin. Because he doesn't speak with what people think of as "black vernacular" is irrelevant. In some cases it may be evidence of someone who is black who doesn't want to identify with other black people and isn't interested in their heritage or history. But the fact that speaking with a voice with less bass or using proper grammar, etc. enables so many to place him in the "not-really-black" category, starts to get offensive.

I hear this shit sometimes. Hell, a certain amount of education at all subjects you to this kind of garbage. "You don't talk black." "Thurgreed isn't really black." Yeah. All good fun until I want to fuck your lilly-white daughter. Then I get black again real quick, don't I? Cabbies don't care about grammar. Cops don't give a shit how you talk if you're in the wrong neighborhood. Partners don't assign work based on whether or not you speak well. And racists sure as hell don't care about any of that (please see treatment of Obama or do a google image search for Michelle Obama).

Anyway, not to get all serious, because I appreciate the joke, like it and sometimes use it myself. Just want to make sure that people don't get too comfortable with it.*

TM

*And this is one of the reasons why I love Chappelle so much. He walked away from $50 million dollars, at least partly, because of this.
I understand, and I guess my point wasn't that he "sounds white", but more that he sounds like a nerd. Because Murphy's impression is that of a nerdy white guy.

Or do all of us sound like that to black people?

Adder 12-01-2009 01:53 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 408663)
Or do all of us sound like that to black people?
I think you might want to be careful with the use of "us" on this one.

Fugee 12-01-2009 01:54 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 408651)
Maybe he gets a different but equally good image. Instead of being some golfing stiff with generic plastic fantastic arm candy, suddenly it seems there's a bit of passion in his life.

Tiger has always seemed dull dull dull.
How does fooling around equal a bit of passion in one's life?

I don't think Tiger is dull. I think he is private and intensely driven and competitive.

PresentTense Pirate Penske 12-01-2009 01:55 PM
Re: Generic Winter Gift-Giving Holiday Wish List
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 408646)
Nah. Superman and Batman wear capes. He can recover.

TM
Am I on ignore?

LessinSF 12-01-2009 01:55 PM
Re: Generic Winter Gift-Giving Holiday Wish List
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtb (Post 408627)
Among my younger boys "wished for" items:

Ninja stuff
Farting Machine
A cape
I have a farting machine in my office. http://www.thefartmachine.com/ It rocks.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 12-01-2009 01:55 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 408664)
I think you might want to be careful with the use of "us" on this one.
You really know how to ruin a joke.

notcasesensitive 12-01-2009 01:55 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 408592)
2
That is a lovely big fat red italicized two you have there. I tend to believe that you heartily agree with the post that you have quoted.

Fugee 12-01-2009 01:56 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 408663)
I understand, and I guess my point wasn't that he "sounds white", but more that he sounds like a nerd. Because Murphy's impression is that of a nerdy white guy.

Or do all of us sound like that to black people?
don't know about youse guys in Chi-KAH-go, but here in Minnesota, we all sound like the movie Fargo.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-01-2009 01:58 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 408665)
How does fooling around equal a bit of passion in one's life?

I don't think Tiger is dull. I think he is private and intensely driven and competitive.
No, no, no. Having a wife who is ready to crown you with your own golf club when you fool around suggests there's some real passion there.

And thanks for making Tiger sound like a banker. You've made my point.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 12-01-2009 01:59 PM
Re: Lively discussion topics
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dtb (Post 408662)
Those of you who don't read the food board may have missed the tidbit that the ex-LMA (curse you, e/o for making me type that...) is no longer ex-. The reasons still remain a mystery, as do the whereabouts and emotional state of the Chimney Sweep.

And in MY exciting life, I have become a knitting fiend. Hats, socks, sweaters, scarves, blankets, pants. The fun never ends!


Which of these things should we talk about?
Can you knit a cape?

sebastian_dangerfield 12-01-2009 01:59 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 408664)
I think you might want to be careful with the use of "us" on this one.
Excuse me? Whatever the melanin level in your skin, if there's anyone approaching the embodiment of the stereotype parodied by Murphy, it's you.

Adder 12-01-2009 02:00 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 408665)
How does fooling around equal a bit of passion in one's life?
Um. This can't be what you meant to ask.

ThurgreedMarshall 12-01-2009 02:00 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 408651)
Maybe he gets a different but equally good image. Instead of being some golfing stiff with generic plastic fantastic arm candy, suddenly it seems there's a bit of passion in his life.

Tiger has always seemed dull dull dull.
I'm not arguing he should keep his image. I am saying he will view it as tarnished.

And Tiger is dull in how he approaches the press, but he is a monster on the course and his personality, when it comes to golf is anything but dull. He wants to crush everyone in his path, expects to, and makes it apparent. That was the most exciting and controversial thing in golf when he first arrived. And his attitude (not just his skill) completely changed the sport.

TM

Sidd Finch 12-01-2009 02:02 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 408590)
She's a buck-ten dripping wet. He can bench 300lbs and hit a ball 320 yards, routinely. If she had a gun, I'd be frightened for his life. But as things stand, this sounds like a couple having the mother of all arguments after his mistress accidentally called to wish him a happy Thanksgiving on the main home number.
You shouldn't take domestic violence seriously if the victim can deal with it by beating the shit out of the attacker?

Hank Chinaski 12-01-2009 02:04 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 408648)
Image tarnished. After everyone knows he has a crazy wife who smashes cars with golf clubs and hits him when she's angry, he just another schmoe with a lot of money.

I didn't say he would crash to Earth.

TM
in the amsterdam airport, at this large merging space where the intra-EC terminal opens into the Int'l terminal there is an enormous ad- 90% an image of an unnamed guy swinging a golf club. the text is limited to the far right side and is something about a local bank being reliable.

it doesn't mention his name at all- in Europe, and in an ad for a bank. he could lose that type endorsement, you know pure cold-blooded reliability, but will likely keep the Nike stuff.

while tiger is black to most, I do think his main breakthrough was young/old. he was the one who broke golf away from being an old man's game*. I took my dad to the Masters for practice rounds the first two year he was there- the first year the crowd was mixed white and black, but mostly old. that year Tiger broke out- the next year the masters' crowd was still racially mixed but much much younger.

of course that was a while ago, but I doubt his real fans will give a shit about this scandal.

*of course, Cialis and that pee-too-often TV spots still mention "as advertizse in Golf Digest" so the wonks are still playing too.

ThurgreedMarshall 12-01-2009 02:05 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 408659)
Do you think you'd get the same work (or would have back when you were a baby lawyer and people didn't know your work product) if you spoke in a stereotypical "black" way at work? My guess would be that you wouldn't.

But that could just be my inner class-ist coming out.
Holy crap. Did you really pull just this out of the post, completely twist it and ask the most ridiculous question I've ever heard?

It was included because it cuts the exact other way. All things being equal when it comes to speaking skills, partners assume everyone at this firm speaks properly. But when it comes to work, they don't always assign things the same based on the color of one's skin.

Someone else help me out. How could anyone get to wherever Fugee is in the above post based on what I wrote and its context?

TM

Sidd Finch 12-01-2009 02:06 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 408644)
Okay. And I understand and appreciate the joke. But people (and I don't mean you particularly, because this applies to everyone, including black people) need to understand that black people are black because of the color of their skin. Because he doesn't speak with what people think of as "black vernacular" is irrelevant. In some cases it may be evidence of someone who is black who doesn't want to identify with other black people and isn't interested in their heritage or history. But the fact that speaking with a voice with less bass or using proper grammar, etc. enables so many to place him in the "not-really-black" category, starts to get offensive.

I hear this shit sometimes. Hell, a certain amount of education at all subjects you to this kind of garbage. "You don't talk black." "Thurgreed isn't really black." Yeah. All good fun until I want to fuck your lilly-white daughter. Then I get black again real quick, don't I? Cabbies don't care about grammar. Cops don't give a shit how you talk if you're in the wrong neighborhood. Partners don't assign work based on whether or not you speak well. And racists sure as hell don't care about any of that (please see treatment of Obama or do a google image search for Michelle Obama).

Anyway, not to get all serious, because I appreciate the joke, like it and sometimes use it myself. Just want to make sure that people don't get too comfortable with it.*

TM

*And this is one of the reasons why I love Chappelle so much. He walked away from $50 million dollars, at least partly, because of this.

I read this, and can only think of Chris Rock's riff on how Colin Powell "speaks so well." "What do you expect him to say? 'I'm gonna drop me some bombs today!'?"

ThurgreedMarshall 12-01-2009 02:08 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 408663)
I understand, and I guess my point wasn't that he "sounds white", but more that he sounds like a nerd. Because Murphy's impression is that of a nerdy white guy.

Or do all of us sound like that to black people?
No. But you do all look like this:

http://patdollard.com/wp-content/upl...-whiteface.jpg

TM

Did you just call me Coltrane? 12-01-2009 02:09 PM
Re: Woods' (alleged) Jump-Off
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 408679)
I'm not arguing he should keep his image. I am saying he will view it as tarnished.

And Tiger is dull in how he approaches the press, but he is a monster on the course and his personality, when it comes to golf is anything but dull. He wants to crush everyone in his path, expects to, and makes it apparent. That was the most exciting and controversial thing in golf when he first arrived. And his attitude (not just his skill) completely changed the sport.

TM
I don't take golf seriously as a sport because I suck at it.

Cletus Miller 12-01-2009 02:09 PM
Re: What to do?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 408523)
Were there purple cows at your school?
Not that I was aware of.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 408527)
Fixed that for you.
But of course. Tho it gives them an opportunity to seek a "hot breakfast" endowment.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 408528)
I assume you mean for the book itself.
Well, yeah. As a contrast to Ty receiving a direct ask for $65 for their book.


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