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Penske_Account 01-20-2007 01:25 PM

G-d save our Republic!?!?
 
Let us pray.......


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Penske_Account 01-20-2007 01:41 PM

An Open Letter to Presidential Candidate Clinton
 
An Open Letter to Hillary Clinton

BY JUANITA BROADDRICK

'DO YOU REMEMBER?'
SUNDAY OCT 15, 2000


As I watched Rick Lazio's interview on Fox News this morning, I felt compelled to write this open letter to you, Mrs. Clinton. Brit Hume asked Mr. Lazio's views regarding you as a person and how he perceived you as a candidate. Rick Lazio did not answer the question, but I know that I can. You know it, too.

I have no doubt that you are the same conniving, self-serving person you were twenty-two years ago when I had the misfortune to meet you. When I see you on television, campaigning for the New York senate race, I can see the same hypocrisy in your face that you displayed to me one evening in 1978. You have not changed.

I remember it as though it was yesterday. I only wish that it were yesterday and maybe there would still be time to do something about what your husband, Bill Clinton, did to me. There was a political rally for Mr. Clinton's bid for governor of Arkansas. I had obligated myself to be at this rally prior to my being assaulted by
your husband in April, 1978. I had made up my mind to make an appearance and then leave as soon as the two of you arrived. This was a big mistake, but I was still in a state of shock and denial. You had questioned the gentleman who drove you and Mr.
Clinton from the airport. You asked him about me and if I would be at the gathering. Do you remember? You told the driver, "Bill has talked so much about Juanita", and that you were so anxious to meet me. Well, you wasted no time. As soon as you
entered the room, you came directly to me and grabbed my hand. Do you remember how you thanked me, saying "we want to thank you for everything that you do for Bill". At that point, I was pretty shaken and started to walk off. Remember how you
kept a tight grip on my hand and drew closer to me? You repeated your statement, but this time with a coldness and look that I have seen many times on television in the last eight years. You said, "Everything you do for Bill". You then released your grip
and I said nothing and left the gathering.

What did you mean, Hillary? Were you referring to my keeping quiet about the assault I had suffered at the hands of your husband only two weeks before? Were you warning me to continue to keep quiet? We both know the answer to that question. Yes, I can answer Brit Hume's question. You are the same Hillary that you were twenty years ago. You are cold, calculating and self-serving. You cannot tolerate the
thought that you will soon be without the power you have wielded for the last eight years. Your effort to stay in power will be at the expense of the state of New York. I only hope the voters of New York will wake up in time and realize that Hillary Clinton is not an honorable or an honest person.

I will end by asking if you believe the statements I made on NBC Dateline when Lisa Myers asked if I had been assaulted and raped by your husband? Or perhaps, you are like Vice-President Gore and did not see the interview.

Juanita Broaddrick
Arkansas

Tyrone Slothrop 01-20-2007 01:59 PM

for Penske
 
Since you seem to be bored, here's an interview with Noam Chomsky. A brief taste (an amuse bouche, if you will):
  • Do you think bad folk music, drugs and poor hygiene will ever topple the Military Industrial Complex?

    I assume that too is not intended seriously, but in this case I don’t discern a serious issue lying behind the query.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-20-2007 02:07 PM

a plan for Iraq
 
At first blush, this looked more plausible to me than what the President has proposed:

http://www.comw.org/pda/0701bm40.html

But I haven't read it all.

Sidd Finch 01-20-2007 02:12 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Cletus Miller
Yes, but . . . it seems to me that setting up a "prayer room" in the basketball arena is not a particularly good idea. Not because the folks asking for it are douchebags, terrorists, zionists, crusaders or scientologists. Because setting up "sacred" space in an otherwise a-religious facility that no one is present at other than completely voluntarily (i.e. not a workplace) is just not the way America works.

So a few people have to choose between honoring their religious beliefs and attending a basketball game--where does that stop? Do all college football games need to be moved from Saturday afternoons? What about Friday night high school football?

This is perfectly reasonable. If the decision were put to me, this would be my answer in virtually any circumstance. (I say "virtually" because I can imagine a circumstance where there would be an unused office or some other space where I could tell students, "ok -- how about there?").

This makes the answer "no." Not "no, douchebag." Not "no, because you and your kind are destroying Christianity." Just "no".

Now, if someone files a lawsuit or leads a protest march over this -- well, then I start saying "douchebag." But the guy in Slave's post seemed pretty reasonable -- he wants to go to games (isn't that good? Don't you prefer that Muslims be integrated rather than segregated?). He wants to pray at the ordained times. He's fine doing that under the bleachers or anywhere else ("not a big deal," or something like that, he said). And he asked -- not demanded, just asked -- for a better option. Big fucking deal.

Sidd Finch 01-20-2007 02:13 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Does the Pope ban Muslims outright from an entire city?

Is it illegal to pray to Allah -not just in the cathedral - but EVERYWHERE in the Vatican?

Not even ballpark. Try again.



I believe they stone rape victims and circumcize young females in Mecca. Does that count?



You think any of these things are remotely relevant to whether a student at Northwestern can make a polite request for a place to pray?

Sidd Finch 01-20-2007 02:15 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm a Christian, and I have no earthly idea what you're talking about.

Well, let's see.....

Christmas is no longer a national holiday, is it?

You never see crosses in public anymore.

They stopped putting big Christmas trees in prominent places, like the White House and Rock. Center.

Christians are now a distinct minority in government.

The calendar has been changed so that the normal work-week includes Sunday, so that most people can have Friday, the Muslim holy day, off.


Or that's the way things are, in Slave-land.

Sidd Finch 01-20-2007 02:17 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
From now on, www.lawtalkers.com will be closed to new posts at 5 points during the day.

I don't want any of our Muslim friends to miss out on the next K race or Patentpara pile-on just because they happen to be praying.

Are you okay if they stop to pray, and they do it in a clean place?

Or, perhaps you just forgot to post the part ofthe story where the Northwestern students were asking for game times to be changed.

Sidd Finch 01-20-2007 02:36 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I wonder who first asked for a chapel in an airport?

S_A_M

P.S. This is a semi-respectable argument, although Penske's federal funds argument is better, and I certainly wouldn't be upset if the arena/university declined the request for either reason. But your sheer vitriol undermines your argument, and speaks to something deeper.

{edited to delete insult -- because saying it once is enough -- and to provide substantive response}

You give Slave's point -- "And every time a concession is made - like building a prayer room in an Athletic Arena - it only means a broader request is soon to follow." -- far too much credit.

First, no one asked for any one to "build a prayer room." They asked if there was a quiet and clean place where they could pray (and if not, "no big deal").

Second, the "a broader request is soon to follow" line is bullshit. If Northwestern denies the prayer room will al Qaeda stop demanding to turn the world back to the Caliphate? Of course not. Some people make reasonable requests (and respond reasonbly if they are denied). Some people are evil and radical and insane. And some people are in between. But suggesting that one leads to another is absurd -- muslims were making "broader requests" a long time before this Northwestern student came along.

Third, even if a broader request were to follow, so what? You address that request on its merits. By Slave's "logic," we should forbid anyone from wearing a crucifix in public -- because next they'll demand to put a huge rock with the 10 Commandments in every courtroom. We should not let a Jew wear a yarmulke in court -- because, first, Christians are so oppressed in this country, and second, next the dirty Jew will demand to pour lamb's blood on the judge's desk.

Slave's "clash of cultures" argument is old, old news. People in this country said that about Jews, Catholics, southern Europeans, eastern Europeans, Chinese, etc etc etc. I guess muslims are just the newest nigger -- no individual is bad, they just all are.

Sidd Finch 01-20-2007 02:37 PM

Is it just me in here?
 
or is it just me in here?

Sorry, all, for the serial posting. I'm listening to MCLE tapes, trying to keep my license past 1/31. And it's goddamn dull.

taxwonk 01-20-2007 02:53 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Because the douchebag wants to pray to the wrong god.

And he's in the wrong country.
Which douchebag?

Penske_Account 01-20-2007 02:55 PM

Is it just me in here?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
or is it just me in here?

Sorry, all, for the serial posting. I'm listening to MCLE tapes, trying to keep my license past 1/31. And it's goddamn dull.
Am I on ignore?

taxwonk 01-20-2007 02:56 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Northwestern gets federal grant money . I have an interest in what they are spending funds on....i.e. if they can waste money on this crap then they don't need my tax dollars.
Just about all educational institutions get some federal grant money. And if you don't like the way your tax dollars are being spent blame it on your party-members who, until very recently, controlled the White House and both chambers of Congress.

Penske_Account 01-20-2007 02:57 PM

for Penske
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Since you seem to be bored, here's an interview with Noam Chomsky. A brief taste (an amuse bouche, if you will):
  • Do you think bad folk music, drugs and poor hygiene will ever topple the Military Industrial Complex?

    I assume that too is not intended seriously, but in this case I don’t discern a serious issue lying behind the query.

My network won't allow me to access that site.....is it traitourous?

Sidd Finch 01-20-2007 02:57 PM

Is it just me in here?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Am I on ignore?

No. And I saw your apology. Which I appreciate.

Especially since you didn't just claim it was a typo.

Penske_Account 01-20-2007 03:00 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
Just about all educational institutions get some federal grant money. And if you don't like the way your tax dollars are being spent blame it on your party-members who, until very recently, controlled the White House and both chambers of Congress.
And I am against it in all cases. As for the last congress, irrelevant, in the same way Bush, president for 8 months following 8 years of Clinton's crimes, neglect, treason, destruction of the military/intelligence agencies and appeasement of terrorists, was responsible for 911, I hold Pelosi responsible for the wasteful spending appropriations of Congress. It's time for her to put up or go home.

Penske_Account 01-20-2007 03:01 PM

Is it just me in here?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
No. And I saw your apology. Which I appreciate.

Especially since you didn't just claim it was a typo.
Smashing, the new spirit of bi-partisanship is really taking hold........

taxwonk 01-20-2007 03:02 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
It affects my life because I'm sitting here on the deck of the Titantic watching the PC police continue to destroy the culture of this country.

A country where it is no only absolutely acceptable, but proper - to treat Christianity with utter contempt, while everday we see more pandering to the incessant and unending complaints from Muslims who insist on preferential treatment.

From the buffoons at Pace University treating the finding of a Koran in a bathroom - a friggin book - as a "hate crime", to good ole' boy John Conyers trying to pass legislation making it a crime to offend Muhammad, it just never ends.

And every time a concession is made - like building a prayer room in an Athletic Arena - it only means a broader request is soon to follow.

But hey, why bother worrying about any of this. It's not as if they starting asking us dhimmis to pay them jizyah. Yet.
I'm sorry, but I really don't see where Christianity is treated with utter contempt in a country where the members of Congress, the President, military personnel, witnesses, jurors, etc. are sworn in with an oath to God to uphold their duty.

I'm also fairly certain that many college teams still engage in a shortt team prayer before each game.

So drop the bullshit about any threat to Christianity and admit your problem is just blind unthinking hate.

taxwonk 01-20-2007 03:03 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Thank god. Otherwise, he'd probably return wearing an exploding belt full of nails.
I rest my case.

taxwonk 01-20-2007 03:08 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Cletus Miller
Yes, but . . . it seems to me that setting up a "prayer room" in the basketball arena is not a particularly good idea. Not because the folks asking for it are douchebags, terrorists, zionists, crusaders or scientologists. Because setting up "sacred" space in an otherwise a-religious facility that no one is present at other than completely voluntarily (i.e. not a workplace) is just not the way America works.

So a few people have to choose between honoring their religious beliefs and attending a basketball game--where does that stop? Do all college football games need to be moved from Saturday afternoons? What about Friday night high school football?
I'm pretty sure that the tradition of playing HS football on Friday nights came about because there wasn't room in the schedule to play all games on Saturday and there wasn't any way in Hell they were going to allow play on Sunday.

Penske_Account 01-20-2007 03:10 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
I'm sorry, but I really don't see where Christianity is treated with utter contempt in a country where the members of Congress, the President, military personnel, witnesses, jurors, etc. are sworn in with an oath to God to uphold their duty.

I'm also fairly certain that many college teams still engage in a shortt team prayer before each game.

So drop the bullshit about any threat to Christianity and admit your problem is just blind unthinking hate.
Is it a threat to christianity that he is worried about or more a fifth columnistesqueish threat to the American way of life, democracy and Freedom?

taxwonk 01-20-2007 03:13 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Does the Pope ban Muslims outright from an entire city?

Is it illegal to pray to Allah -not just in the cathedral - but EVERYWHERE in the Vatican?

Not even ballpark. Try again.



I believe they stone rape victims and circumcize young females in Mecca. Does that count?
I believe Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, not the United States. So what's your point?

taxwonk 01-20-2007 03:15 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Its all morally relative to these godless libs. they have no universal moral code that they live by. The irony is, they will be the first to go under the Islamic Republic of North America.
Same question as I asked Slave. Saudi Arabia isn't the United States. What's your point?

Penske_Account 01-20-2007 03:17 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
I believe Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, not the United States. So what's your point?
Dissent. You are ASSuming again. As Spanky could surely confirm, Mecca is here too.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-20-2007 03:18 PM

for Penske
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
My network won't allow me to access that site.....is it traitourous?
Did you read Gatti's list of the 50 most annoying people of 2006 on the FB?

Penske_Account 01-20-2007 03:20 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
Same question as I asked Slave. Saudi Arabia isn't the United States. What's your point?
Where did I mention SA? Regardless of Slave's point, I am pointing our that the G-dless immorality of the liberals will be the downfall of our nation, democracy and freedom. It won't be the Saudi's that defeat, it will be the liberals, as agents of the fifth column of al qaeda and RedChina.

Penske_Account 01-20-2007 03:22 PM

for Penske
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Did you read Gatti's list of the 50 most annoying people of 2006 on the FB?
Cite please?

Tyrone Slothrop 01-20-2007 03:27 PM

for Penske
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Cite please?
Here.

Secret_Agent_Man 01-20-2007 03:32 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Slave's "clash of cultures" argument is old, old news. People in this country said that about Jews, Catholics, southern Europeans, eastern Europeans, Chinese, etc etc etc. I guess muslims are just the newest nigger -- no individual is bad, they just all are.
I was thinking the same thing last night, but refrained from using a Bull Connor reference because I thought it would be distracting.

S_A_M

taxwonk 01-20-2007 03:38 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
When you are doing legal research and you find a case that is 80% the same facts as your case, you dismiss it because it isn't 100% the same?

That Mormon guy; he didn't ask that the Sunday games be rescheduled? he felt that if he were true to his religion he just wouldn't be able to show for them? Interesting.
Your points are all addressed to the question of whether or not Northwestern should accede to the student's request. I note first that most people are not suggesting that the school should. Some of the posters were concerned about a slipperey slope argument, and didn't think the request should be granted. Other posters were pretty much indifferent and didn't really seem to care one way or the other. A third group noted that there were many sports traditions that stemmed from deference to Chirstianity. I don't really recall anyone saying specifically that Northwestern should provide a prayer room.

But all of that is completely beside the point. The real issue is whether it was hateful and wrong for Slave to make a big deal out of it. What people are really divided on is whether or not we are infavor of Slave to be using this forum to spread religious or cultural intolerance. ON that issue, there seem to be two schools of thought. There are those who disapprove and are calling Slave on it and those who are beniding over backward to defend his bigotry.

With that in mind, let me offer a more apropos hypo.

Say you go to MSU games. You have a need to say "fuck all ragheads and camel jockeys" five or six times a night. Suppose other people are offended by that. Should the entire stadium be forced to listen and accept it while you are escorted to the annnouncers' booth to use the public address system to share your message or should you ne encouraged to stick your head up your ass and whisper it?

Note that, as on the PB, it has not been suggested that you be prevented from saying it or thrown out of the stadium for doing so.

taxwonk 01-20-2007 03:52 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
And I am against it in all cases. As for the last congress, irrelevant, in the same way Bush, president for 8 months following 8 years of Clinton's crimes, neglect, treason, destruction of the military/intelligence agencies and appeasement of terrorists, was responsible for 911, I hold Pelosi responsible for the wasteful spending appropriations of Congress. It's time for her to put up or go home.
Aside from your sheer idiocy with respect to all the crap about everything being either Bill Clinton or Nancy Pelosi's fault, I was going to agree with you about federal grant money not going to a private institution.

But then, I stopped to consider all the advances in science, mathematics, etc., that have come from federal research grants. I ultimately concluded that I had much less of a gripe about research grants than I do about farm subsidies, tobacco subsidies, cost-plus federal military expeditures contracts, etc. So, on balance, while I see your point about federal money going to private universities, I have to say that I think they produce far more good than harm.

taxwonk 01-20-2007 03:54 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Is it a threat to christianity that he is worried about or more a fifth columnistesqueish threat to the American way of life, democracy and Freedom?
I'm fairly certain that Slave doesn't even realize how big a threat to the American way of life, democracy, and freedom, any more than you realize it.

Sidd Finch 01-20-2007 03:56 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
And I am against it in all cases. As for the last congress, irrelevant, in the same way Bush, president for 8 months following 8 years of Clinton's crimes, neglect, treason, destruction of the military/intelligence agencies and appeasement of terrorists, was responsible for 911, I hold Pelosi responsible for the wasteful spending appropriations of Congress. It's time for her to put up or go home.

Smashing, the new spirit of bi-partisanship is really taking hold........

Hank Chinaski 01-20-2007 03:56 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
Your points are all addressed to the question of whether or not Northwestern should accede to the student's request. I note first that most people are not suggesting that the school should. Some of the posters were concerned about a slipperey slope argument, and didn't think the request should be granted. Other posters were pretty much indifferent and didn't really seem to care one way or the other. A third group noted that there were many sports traditions that stemmed from deference to Chirstianity. I don't really recall anyone saying specifically that Northwestern should provide a prayer room.

But all of that is completely beside the point. The real issue is whether it was hateful and wrong for Slave to make a big deal out of it. What people are really divided on is whether or not we are infavor of Slave to be using this forum to spread religious or cultural intolerance. ON that issue, there seem to be two schools of thought. There are those who disapprove and are calling Slave on it and those who are beniding over backward to defend his bigotry.

With that in mind, let me offer a more apropos hypo.

Say you go to MSU games. You have a need to say "fuck all ragheads and camel jockeys" five or six times a night. Suppose other people are offended by that. Should the entire stadium be forced to listen and accept it while you are escorted to the annnouncers' booth to use the public address system to share your message or should you ne encouraged to stick your head up your ass and whisper it?

Note that, as on the PB, it has not been suggested that you be prevented from saying it or thrown out of the stadium for doing so.
first of all, i did make a quite good point- maybe I'll start annotating my posts- my point was that no other religion would ask for the change. The country is being asked to allow driver's license photos of veiled women, etc for Muslims.

I illustrated that, in at least one instance, a group of Jewish people choose not to ask for things to be changed to suit them. Adder, that nitwit, mentions his teammate the Mormon. Without intending to, he supports my point also.

of course, the fact is that my point was BS since I'm fairly sure Macabee coaches have asked for a no-Saturday schedule. To be honest, I even offered to call and ask for the special schedule.

given that reality, what is odd isn't that some kid asked- assuming he was refused- what is odd is that it is treated as a story.

And I would say that Slave was probably just a little geeked up by the way the story was spun on the webpage where he probably found it.

Sidd Finch 01-20-2007 03:57 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
I'm pretty sure that the tradition of playing HS football on Friday nights came about because there wasn't room in the schedule to play all games on Saturday and there wasn't any way in Hell they were going to allow play on Sunday.

Yeah, but was that because of Church or the NFL schedule?

taxwonk 01-20-2007 03:59 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Dissent. You are ASSuming again. As Spanky could surely confirm, Mecca is here too.
You clearly need to brush up on your research skills. He can't have been talking about that Mecca.

Sidd Finch 01-20-2007 03:59 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by taxwonk
I believe Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, not the United States. So what's your point?

Like Scalia, Slave is mortally opposed to considering foreign or international law when deciding what the US should do in any circumstance.



Oh, wait. I'm confused.

Sidd Finch 01-20-2007 04:02 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I was thinking the same thing last night, but refrained from using a Bull Connor reference because I thought it would be distracting.

S_A_M

Yeah, well. The second or third time I came across the "exploding belt of nails" comment, I couldn't restrain myself any longer.

My first draft of a response to that post said something like "and if he's a black muslim, he'll probably mug someone and rape a white woman while he's out."

taxwonk 01-20-2007 04:03 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Where did I mention SA? Regardless of Slave's point, I am pointing our that the G-dless immorality of the liberals will be the downfall of our nation, democracy and freedom. It won't be the Saudi's that defeat, it will be the liberals, as agents of the fifth column of al qaeda and RedChina.
You were supporting Slave's remark about Christians not being allowed in Mecca. So, if your post was somecrap about the godless immorality of liberals, then it was lost on me.

Hank Chinaski 01-20-2007 04:05 PM

Muslim whining of the day, part 67
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Yeah, well. The second or third time I came across the "exploding belt of nails" comment, I couldn't restrain myself any longer.

My first draft of a response to that post said something like "and if he's a black muslim, he'll probably mug someone and rape a white woman while he's out."
I am quite bothered by the sterotypes you throw out like so much grain- AND I am also troubled by Wonk's use of ethnic slurs. How can you two post things like that while calling someone else hateful in the next sentence?


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