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greatwhitenorthchick 04-29-2003 05:43 PM

Towards gender-neutral cuss words
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Bullshit. "Bitch" is the female equivalent of "asshole." Everyone who has said they call women "assholes" here today is most likely full of shit. Some words fit better with men. Some with women. While I'm not denying that "bitch" is certainly female specific and asshole could be (in theory) used on women, they both mean the same thing for different genders in most cases.

When I call a piece of shit female partner a "bitch" under my breath as I walk away, it is no different than when I label a piece of shit male partner, "asshole." I think most people use those words this way.

If you really feel the need to be careful about being sexist, just use "dumbass" or "piece of shit." Those work wonderfully on men and women.

Thurgreed("bitchy," on the other hand, is almost always sexist)Marshall
I remember I was jogging on the sidewalk once and I bumped into this guy as I was overtaking him. It was totally an accident but he muttered "asshole" under his breath. I was totally shocked I remember (because I was expecting, if anything, "bitch". As I've said, I often get mistaken for a man (10 times since I've moved here at last count), so I wanted to turn around and say "I'm not a guy!!".

So my point is that instinctively I think that "asshole"is not a gender neutral insult but rather one that is customarily applied to men, for whatever reason. I guess the anus is traditionally male. Like you wouldn't call an old woman an old fart, you'd call her an old bag or something.

greatwhitenorthchick 04-29-2003 05:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch

Alas! Tho never better have they fair'd
Now like the nymphets spinsters are compar'd.
Excellent! The model of readability.

robustpuppy 04-29-2003 05:51 PM

Towards gender-neutral cuss words
 
Quote:

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick

So my point is that instinctively I think that "asshole"is not a gender neutral insult but rather one that is customarily applied to men, for whatever reason. I guess the anus is traditionally male. Like you wouldn't call an old woman an old fart, you'd call her an old bag or something.
You've hit on the answer: it's because women don't fart.

Anne Elk 04-29-2003 05:54 PM

Thread Knot
 
http://espn-ak.starwave.com/media/nc...ustachy_ft.jpg

(image from www.espn.com which got it from the front page of the Iowa paper)

So here we have the Iowa basketball coach, who is decidely Left Tail in his decision making, hanging with the bitches while he left the hag back home in Iowa. I hope they are only moist from the spilled beer. Mr. Eustachy (asshole) is probably tumescent. I wonder, is there any correlation between being left tail and being tumescent?


Edited to say:
Damn! The picture thing didn't work. Check it out at espn.com.

Edited to correct picture link. E/O

Anne Elk 04-29-2003 05:57 PM

Towards gender-neutral cuss words
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
You've hit on the answer: it's because women don't fart.
No, we pass gas.

str8outavannuys 04-29-2003 05:58 PM

Towards gender-neutral cuss words
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
"Bitch" is always sexist and I hardly ever use it. Used against a man, it's a negative implication that the guy is like a woman--horrors! Used against a woman, it's almost always a punishment for someone who steps out of her proper place.

"C--t" is even worse and I never, ever, ever use it except about...well, she knows who she is.

My college roommate had a habit of yelling "TWAT!" at the top of her lungs. This was disconcerting to those who thought that (1) it was unnecessary at a women's college to announce that you had one or (2) that it was an insult directed at someone specific or (3) that it was a request for some action from anyone in hearing distance.

"Asshole" I always thought of as gender-neutral. Right now though I prefer "skank."
This reminds me: I used to have a teammate who, if the person whom he was defending got open and caught a pass, he would yell out "CUNT" quite loudly. I found this behavior odd. He also would often play wearing a T-Shirt from the "House of Babes," a strip club in Fern Park, FL (Orlando suburb), which was easily the most offensive shirt I've ever seen. A year later, I found myself in Orlando for a conference and toddled off to the House of Babes (after a trip to the Jai-Alai, natch) one fine evening. I ended up getting two shirts of my own (lap dance and a t-shirt for $10!!!), which have long since disappeared from my collection. I also met a lovely young lady who claimed she went to Rollins,. when not performing for her customers. The moral is, skip Epcot, hit the House of Babes.

AngryMulletMan 04-29-2003 06:05 PM

Towards gender-neutral cuss words
 
Quote:

Originally posted by str8outavannuys
This reminds me: I used to have a teammate who, if the person whom he was defending got open and caught a pass, he would yell out "CUNT" quite loudly. I found this behavior odd. He also would often play wearing a T-Shirt from the "House of Babes," a strip club in Fern Park, FL (Orlando suburb), which was easily the most offensive shirt I've ever seen. A year later, I found myself in Orlando for a conference and toddled off to the House of Babes (after a trip to the Jai-Alai, natch) one fine evening. I ended up getting two shirts of my own (lap dance and a t-shirt for $10!!!), which have long since disappeared from my collection. I also met a lovely young lady who claimed she went to Rollins,. when not performing for her customers. The moral is, skip Epcot, hit the House of Babes.
I'm not sure I get the point, except that you can get a ten dollar lap dance in Fern Park. Or maybe that it takes two ten dollar lap dances to do the trick.

You took a weird U-turn in the middle of that story.

AM(huh?)M

str8outavannuys 04-29-2003 06:06 PM

Rehab news
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
Jack Osborne's gone for help:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/04/2...hab/index.html

Alcohol I can see, but over marijuana?

I'm hoping this means he'll never be seen again on TV. If there was ever a case of "would never, ever, ever be remotely famous or ever, ever, ever get to have sex without having to pay a huge amount of money for it if it weren't for his dad being famous" that boy is it.
This explains why Kelly was everywhere at Coachella (with a very tall blonde mohawk), along with her skanky fat "drummer" friend, but Jack was not, despite the fact that it was a perfect Jack Osborne scene.

This reminds me of one last mildly amusing Coachella story. People badly wanted to get up on stage for White Stripes, me and the s/o included. The band's manager or lawyer had brought his 14(?) year old son, who looked a bit like Jack Osborne, and a bunch of his friends. The manager/lawyer was up on stage and pointed out his son+posse to the security guard. The security guard called out: "How many you got." The kid yelled back "9 . . . no wait, 11." So the 11 kids get up on stage. The kid is now king shit, but he realizes he forgot about these two chicks. So we see him up on the stage, talking to the security guard. The security guard says "sorry, you said it was 11. That's all I can do." He had that look that only 14 year olds have when they realize they're not going to score, and was yelling stuff like "I'm trying, hang on, I'm sorry, I'm trying, hang on, don't go."

Of course, after the White Stripes' set, we saw him heading back to the VIP area with a girl on each arm. Fuckin kids.

str8outavannuys 04-29-2003 06:10 PM

Toward gender neutral cusswords
 
Quote:

Originally posted by lawyer_princess
Here's a good gender-neutral insult for you. It's more in the "stupid" category than the "jerk" category like we've been discussing, but it's good in a sofa king we todd did way.

My husband was reading The Bell Curve and around that time had a conversaton with a very stupid person. In tellling me about it, he said the guy was way far down the left tail of the bell curve. So now whenever we encounter someone incredibly stupid, we call them "left tail." The beauty of it is that we can even say it to their faces and they're too left tail to get it.
Sylvia Plath references are far too rare! I applaud your efforts to reintroduce her work into today's argot!

str8.

Connect_the_Dots 04-29-2003 06:17 PM

Big Ass and Hurt TITS!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by SEC_Chick
Bonus: Anna Nicole is addicted to Vicodin (CTD, where are you?) because of back pain caused by her huge fake boobs.
Here I am! How did you know I like big boobs? I have never discussed my fetish publicly.

robustpuppy 04-29-2003 06:24 PM

Toward gender neutral cusswords
 
Quote:

Originally posted by str8outavannuys
Sylvia Plath references are far too rare! I applaud your efforts to reintroduce her work into today's argot!

str8.
Bell jars come in handy for storing left tails.:D

evenodds 04-29-2003 06:28 PM

Toward gender neutral cusswords
 
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
Bell jars come in handy for storing left tails.:D
I think we'd be safe in assuming exclamation points = sarcasm siren.

ltl/fb 04-29-2003 06:33 PM

Someone just said I looked "prancey" (or would that be "prancy"?). Either way, does that make me a kitty or a flower?

robustpuppy 04-29-2003 06:34 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by evenodds
I think we'd be safe in assuming exclamation points = sarcasm siren.
Ask not for whom the sarcasm siren tolls!!


AngryMulletMan 04-29-2003 07:04 PM

Fancy Prancy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Someone just said I looked "prancey" (or would that be "prancy"?). Either way, does that make me a kitty or a flower?
I think em might have meant you look like a princess.

AM(feeling a little bitchy today in my severe ponytail)M

ltl/fb 04-29-2003 07:21 PM

Fancy Prancy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by AngryMulletMan
I think em might have meant you look like a princess.

AM(feeling a little bitchy today in my severe ponytail)M
You think em misspoke? Em definitely said "prancy" because em repeated it an hour or so later.

And how was that bitchy? The severe ponytail just makes you look like a hag.

f(I think I will prance on home)b

AngryMulletMan 04-29-2003 07:42 PM

Fancy Prancy
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
You think em misspoke? Em definitely said "prancy" because em repeated it an hour or so later.

And how was that bitchy? The severe ponytail just makes you look like a hag.

f(I think I will prance on home)b
I think whoever said you looked prancy meant that you looked like a princess (as in fancy prancy princess). I don't know if it was meant in a bitchy way or not.

The severe ponytail is pulled too tight, which has me feeling bitchy.

AM(it accentuates my pencil neck so nicely)M

Alex_de_Large 04-29-2003 07:46 PM

Toward gender neutral cusswords
 
Quote:

Originally posted by kafka_esquire
Indeed.
POTD:D

Alex_de_Large 04-29-2003 07:56 PM

Towards gender-neutral cuss words
 
Quote:

Originally posted by str8outavannuys lap dance and a t-shirt for $10!!!
Wow, classy place!

bilmore 04-29-2003 08:07 PM

Toward gender neutral cusswords
 
Quote:

Originally posted by lawyer_princess
Well, he is a geek, but not a Star Trek geek. More of a Stanford geek.
There are few geeks I will bow down before.

A Stanford geek is one.

str8outavannuys 04-29-2003 09:19 PM

A request
 
I love those rare occasions where I get private messages, but it often takes me several days to realize that there may be a private message waiting for me in my in-box. Now that I'm aware of this, I can make it a point to go look, but I think it would be wonderful if there was a "you've got mail" feature or something like that, or at least the number of new messages was in a slightly larger or more prominent font than it is now.

that's all. no biggie. I love the site, think it's great, etc. etc.

evenodds 04-29-2003 09:25 PM

A request
 
Quote:

Originally posted by str8outavannuys
I love those rare occasions where I get private messages, but it often takes me several days to realize that there may be a private message waiting for me in my in-box. Now that I'm aware of this, I can make it a point to go look, but I think it would be wonderful if there was a "you've got mail" feature or something like that, or at least the number of new messages was in a slightly larger or more prominent font than it is now.

that's all. no biggie. I love the site, think it's great, etc. etc.
There are two alerts. On the front page, there is a box with the number of messages. Also, you can click into the User CP into edit options and set it to alert you of new pms. You can set it to alert you via email or javascript or both.

bilmore 04-29-2003 09:28 PM

A request
 
Quote:

Originally posted by str8outavannuys
I love those rare occasions where I get private messages, but it often takes me several days to realize that there may be a private message waiting for me in my in-box. Now that I'm aware of this, I can make it a point to go look, but I think it would be wonderful if there was a "you've got mail" feature or something like that, or at least the number of new messages was in a slightly larger or more prominent font than it is now.

that's all. no biggie. I love the site, think it's great, etc. etc.
When I get a new PM, I get this big gray cartoon-balloon screen that pops up in front of the normal site sight that says YOU'VE GOT A NEW PRIVATE MESSAGE!!!!, and I can't do anything on the site until I either accept it or reject it.

I think you're just trying to get out of trouble. ("Of course, honey, if I knew you called, I would have called back, but my phone machine just didn't blink! . . .")

leagleaze 04-29-2003 09:35 PM

Hey, thanks for the love the site props and all.

Oh by the way, did you know that there is a popup box, and a link on the home page that shows you when you get a PM, and also, you can get an email notification?

Yeah, I think you did. ;)

If you need help setting it let me know. I can do it for you.

evenodds 04-29-2003 10:08 PM

American Idol Review
 
Two performances each tonight. This was the best show of the competition because you got to see their range within the same hour. I jotted down some thoughts while the show was on (shut up, Thurgreed).

ruben: ain't too proud to beg. sounded great. showed more style. he has perfect pitch. though i wonder how many cows died to make his outfit.

trenyce: proud mary. i actually clapped when she finished. her best performance of the competition. simon hated it, of course. referred to it as a "drag act."

josh: back to the country twang. sorta.

kimberley: heard it through the grape vine. it was okay. her lack of rhythm will always bother me. she has a nice voice, though.

clay: build me up buttercup: a great performance. it's theatrical, as is he. he did a great job.

ruben: breakin up is hard to do. it was good. i didn't like the arrangement so much, but he was great.

trenyce: love will keep us together: she did fine. i wasn't crazy about it. simon said it was fabulous.

josh: ghastly. he looked like he was forgetting lyrics. and he did the head-bob again. at least he wasn't also wearing a cowboy hat.

kimberley: where the boys are: she sounded better on this. she belts beautifully.

clay: solitaire: "he clayed it up" it seemed very short compared to the others. he has amazing power as a singer.

Overall, i thought the earlier performances were better -- except Kimberley's. Her second song was one of her best performances.

Josh and Trenyce in the bottom two. Josh, Trenyce and Kimberley if they do 3.

Josh should go home.

leagleaze 04-29-2003 10:30 PM

Why is it always good when I am watching Buffy, and bad when Buffy is a rerun so I am watching AI?

Why?

bilmore 04-29-2003 10:39 PM

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Originally posted by leagleaze
Why is it always good when I am watching Buffy, and bad when Buffy is a rerun so I am watching AI?

Why?
There is nothing wrong with having a TV-centric life.

Really.

Nothing.

(Inflatable raft.

Bike.

Work out.

Work.

Call a friend.

Build a wall.

Clean the house.

Make your christmas list.

Organize your books, or CD's, or . . .

Do your accounts.

Clean your oven.

Write a book.

. . . . . . . . .
)

Really.

leagleaze 04-29-2003 10:42 PM

I'm curious as to how this suggests I in any way have a TV centric life. If I had a tv centric life, I would probably have a tivo or something and thus not comment.*

You know what they say about assumptions Mr. Bilmore.

And don't tell me to make a christmas list. I'm Jewish.


*No, I am not suggesting the only reason to have a tivo is because you have a tv centric life.

notcasesensitive 04-29-2003 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze
I'm curious as to how this suggests I in any way have a TV centric life. If I had a tv centric life, I would probably have a tivo or something and thus not comment.*

You know what they say about assumptions Mr. Bilmore.

And don't tell me to make a christmas list. I'm Jewish.


*No, I am not suggesting the only reason to have a tivo is because you have a tv centric life.
Leagl, if it makes you feel better, I do in fact have a tv centric life.* Actually a reality tv centric life, and yet the most talked about show on this entire freakin site (yes, I am referring to the AI) I absolutely cannot stand. Oh, if only RW/RR Challenge got this sort of play....

So whose life is more (dare I say it) ironic, Miss Eaze? I ask you.

In other news, I saw The Exies and Everclear tonight (this portion of the message goes out to str8outa, who I can attest does not frequently check the PM thing). Good show but Everclear's sound was fucked (bad lead mike sound).

n(trying to cover all bases in one post)cs

*not really. no, really. not really. [Eddie Izzard for those of you who care.]

leagleaze 04-30-2003 12:00 AM

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Originally posted by notcasesensitive


So whose life is more (dare I say it) ironic, Miss Eaze? I ask you.

Oh oh, better watch that :box:

I mean it could be a fighting word if used incorrectly.

Actually I don't see anything wrong with having a tv centric life. But it just so happens mine isn't.

bilmore 04-30-2003 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze
I'm curious as to how this suggests I in any way have a TV centric life.
Because you imply that, when the show that you wanted to watch isn't on, you watch what is on.

I know what they say about assumptions: when they are made on an informed basis, they are often correct.

Keep in mind that my threshhold for "TV-centric" is exceedingly low. King of the Hill is starting, so I'm going to turn my set on now.

(Oh, and, sorry about that list thingie. )

leagleaze 04-30-2003 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Because you imply that, when the show that you wanted to watch isn't on, you watch what is on.

I know what they say about assumptions: when they are made on an informed basis, they are often correct.

Keep in mind that my threshhold for "TV-centric" is exceedingly low. King of the Hill is starting, so I'm going to turn my set on now.

(Oh, and, sorry about that list thingie. )

To make an assumption on an informed basis, one needs to be informed.

And no worries bout the list thingy. I'll take you kayaking next time you are in my neck of the woods :P I don't have the inflatable one any more either, so no sinking. One hopes.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-30-2003 01:26 AM

Towards gender-neutral cuss words
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
"Bitch" is always sexist and I hardly ever use it.
Except, oddly, when it's used as a verb.

T. (apologies if someone already said this) S.

bilmore 04-30-2003 02:05 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Except, oddly, when it's used as a verb.
You mean "to nag shrewishly, as by a harpy"? Sounds neutral to me.

sebastian_dangerfield 04-30-2003 09:13 AM

Towards gender-neutral cuss words
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Bullshit. "Bitch" is the female equivalent of "asshole." Everyone who has said they call women "assholes" here today is most likely full of shit. Some words fit better with men. Some with women. While I'm not denying that "bitch" is certainly female specific and asshole could be (in theory) used on women, they both mean the same thing for different genders in most cases.

When I call a piece of shit female partner a "bitch" under my breath as I walk away, it is no different than when I label a piece of shit male partner, "asshole." I think most people use those words this way.

If you really feel the need to be careful about being sexist, just use "dumbass" or "piece of shit." Those work wonderfully on men and women.

Thurgreed("bitchy," on the other hand, is almost always sexist)Marshall
"Bitch" is also the female equivalent of "dick". You can't call a chick a dick - that's undisputably an exclusively male insult. Yet calling her a cunt for the sort of behavior that would incite you to call her a bitch would be overkill.

I have always found certain prissy chicks' disgust with the word cunt to be pretty damn hypocritical and hypersensitive. Use of the slang term for male genitalia as an insult is widely accepted. Never in history has a man stalked away from a conversation stating "I hate the word 'dick' - it disgusts me". Yet some women seem to think they have a right to be appalled at the use of cunt, like its somehow worse than dick. Seems to me that the two words are absolutely equal in their potential offensiveness, so why is one villified while the other is used on television?

I think the hypersensitivity toward cunt is sexist - it implies that women are somehow less able to handle the use of a common slang term.

S(if all the double standards in our culture were bricks, we could build a Maginot Line from Grand Central to the St. Louis Arch)D

purse junkie 04-30-2003 09:21 AM

Fashion Causes Political Crisis in S.Korea
 
Sport coat w/ t-shirt leads to outrage in S. Korea parliament:

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/120/..._seeks_:.shtml

And I defend my dislike of "cunt" vs. "dick." The only way to really demean a guy on the basis of his sexuality is to imply that he's not masculine enough--that he's feminine or gay ("pussy", "fag"). "Cunt" and "slut" demean a woman because she's sexual and female--quite different. It's not a question of delicacy--I can swear like a sailor--it's a question of a woman being sexual itself being a negative.

"Dick" is too casual to compare to "cunt"--different levels of insult.

sebastian_dangerfield 04-30-2003 09:24 AM

Towards gender-neutral cuss words
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
"Bitch" is always sexist and I hardly ever use it. Used against a man, it's a negative implication that the guy is like a woman--horrors! Used against a woman, it's almost always a punishment for someone who steps out of her proper place.

"C--t" is even worse and I never, ever, ever use it except about...well, she knows who she is.

My college roommate had a habit of yelling "TWAT!" at the top of her lungs. This was disconcerting to those who thought that (1) it was unnecessary at a women's college to announce that you had one or (2) that it was an insult directed at someone specific or (3) that it was a request for some action from anyone in hearing distance.

"Asshole" I always thought of as gender-neutral. Right now though I prefer "skank."
"Twat" - that's a wierd one. I don't like it - it has a lousy sound. Its also one of those low end names that you'll hear from some creepy dude watching television inside a gas station (not the gas station attendant, the creepy mulleted cat who just hangs out ther smoking butts in Thin Lizzy concert t shirt). The worst of thess low end ghenital names is "snatch" - that one seems to only come from, dirty old men. Another is "gash" - that one comes from angry fraternity guys who just "got the Heisman" from a chick (got her back to the room, but she wouldn't fuck).

My favorite female pseudo-cuss word is "cooter". I heard a friend use the term to refer to female genitalia a few years back and thought it was hysterical - very rural, silly and harmless. He started using it among our female friends and now they all refer to their own genitalia as "cooters".

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 04-30-2003 09:28 AM

Oh, oh Alabama
 
Sex toys are still illegal in Alabama.

spookyfish 04-30-2003 09:33 AM

Oh, oh Alabama
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
Sex toys are still illegal in Alabama.
That's going to make for a lot of unhappy cooters.

sebastian_dangerfield 04-30-2003 09:34 AM

Ladies, Do Not Do This
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
Sport coat w/ t-shirt leads to outrage in S. Korea parliament:

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/120/..._seeks_:.shtml

And I defend my dislike of "cunt" vs. "dick." The only way to really demean a guy on the basis of his sexuality is to imply that he's not masculine enough--that he's feminine or gay ("pussy", "fag"). "Cunt" and "slut" demean a woman because she's sexual and female--quite different. It's not a question of delicacy--I can swear like a sailor--it's a question of a woman being sexual itself being a negative.

"Dick" is too casual to compare to "cunt"--different levels of insult.
Does anyone know chicks who shorten words because they think it sounds cool? My wife has some friends who like to cut pieces off words during conversations and it drives me up a wall. For example, they'll say "Mary and I had a convo the other day" meaning "Mary and I had a conversation the other day". Another I heard was the use of the term "vag" for vagina - they seem to think that sounds cute. The worst is when they shorten "whatever" to "whatev" - I can barely hold my tongue when they speak like that to me. I really feel the need to say "Your slang makes you sound like you're challenged, my dear... its not cute". Just an FYI - if you do this word shortening thing, people probably ask each other what the hell is the matter with you behind your back.


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