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Hank Chinaski 01-13-2015 08:09 PM

Re: Wtf
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 493072)
The Boston Marathon is on national TV? Get out. Or do you mean cable?

cable has become national, grandpa. I suppose coverage had stopped by the time the bombs went off. Coltrane would have finished by then even.

Hank Chinaski 01-13-2015 08:11 PM

Re: A Picasso or a Garfunkel?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 493058)
I wore this shirt in my undergrad days. Sigh. I still miss the Tri-Delt who was using me to (a) piss off her Junior League mother (worked!) and (2) make her madras and chinos-wearing future MBA ex-boyfriend jealous (failed, but she did catch the eye of one of his b-school classmates, who was president of the ex's rival frat, so that ended happily for her).

http://www.thefatcontroller.co.uk/po...lets-dance.jpg

no offense, but a mass produced shirt, by definition, cannot be punk. Icky was wearing shit he doctored, let me assure you.

Hank Chinaski 01-13-2015 08:53 PM

although he doesn't seem up to creating a new idea, so maybe not?
 
http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/...-to-poison-him if adder didn't have a law degree.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-13-2015 08:57 PM

Re: Got big lanes, got big lanes
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by oliver_wendell_ramone (Post 493065)
so we just need to take the islamists bowling?

potw

sebastian_dangerfield 01-14-2015 12:02 AM

Re: although he doesn't seem up to creating a new idea, so maybe not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 493076)

Boehner is perpetually a shade near cherry red. Search the toupee for horns?

sebastian_dangerfield 01-14-2015 12:29 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 493041)
Ever notice how Jesus and Mohammed grew up in the same general neck of the woods, but Jesus is a lot whiter than Mohammed? Funny dat.

2. And I'm still wondering why they scriptwriters asked us to believe Joseph and Mary never sealed the deal. The guy's getting married, wife gives him the Heisman, somehow nevertheless gets knocked up, and he's just along for the ride? (I assume that last bit. Joseph basically disappears for the rest of the story, apparently dejected God cuckolded him.)

While we're on disposable characters, the Holy Ghost? Who is that? God, but not exactly God? But not Jesus, either? Was God so bored he needed to create a friend who had all of the same powers he did? A capable chess buddy? And the ghost, exactly, of whom? Is this character fleshed out anywhere close to fully anywhere? If you think I'm bullshitting, ask a Catholic... any Catholic. Go up to one you know is devout and say the following:

"Hey, tell me everything you know about the Holy Ghost. What it's done, where it's been, where it came from. And spare no detail. I've got all day, I'm a writer, I'm doing an authorized biography, and I need a man on the street perspective."

Tumbleweeds. You could ask a Priest and the poor bastard couldn't give you answer save to note it was a "mystery of faith." A mystery. Like every other abandoned plot point.

And yet the Catholic Church enjoys tax free status! Tax. Free.

Try telling an auditor the disappearance of all of your receipts supporting lavish deductions is a mystery. "I think the Holy Ghost took them... Sneaky bastard, banging everyone's wife... He gets around."

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-14-2015 10:11 AM

Re: although he doesn't seem up to creating a new idea, so maybe not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 493076)

Je Sous Boehner!

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-14-2015 10:26 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 493080)
2. And I'm still wondering why they scriptwriters asked us to believe Joseph and Mary never sealed the deal. The guy's getting married, wife gives him the Heisman, somehow nevertheless gets knocked up, and he's just along for the ride? (I assume that last bit. Joseph basically disappears for the rest of the story, apparently dejected God cuckolded him.)

While we're on disposable characters, the Holy Ghost? Who is that? God, but not exactly God? But not Jesus, either? Was God so bored he needed to create a friend who had all of the same powers he did? A capable chess buddy? And the ghost, exactly, of whom? Is this character fleshed out anywhere close to fully anywhere? If you think I'm bullshitting, ask a Catholic... any Catholic. Go up to one you know is devout and say the following:

"Hey, tell me everything you know about the Holy Ghost. What it's done, where it's been, where it came from. And spare no detail. I've got all day, I'm a writer, I'm doing an authorized biography, and I need a man on the street perspective."

Tumbleweeds. You could ask a Priest and the poor bastard couldn't give you answer save to note it was a "mystery of faith." A mystery. Like every other abandoned plot point.

And yet the Catholic Church enjoys tax free status! Tax. Free.

Try telling an auditor the disappearance of all of your receipts supporting lavish deductions is a mystery. "I think the Holy Ghost took them... Sneaky bastard, banging everyone's wife... He gets around."


It's probably a mistake to reply to a middle of the night rant on religion.

This is part of why I enjoy reading the early Christians. Back in Nicene times, I think the Holy Spirit was actually the easy-to-understand one of the three. Look, there was all this talk about a God off in a heaven, no longer the dude who hung out and chatted with Abraham and his kin but some far off omniscient being. Then there's this guy who died a couple centuries before born with weird stars and angels around and a Mom who was probably not just a virgin but veiled and secluded. Both are pretty distant concepts.

On the other hand, they were telling every good Greek in Constantinople that there was a third part of the divine that was that bit of divine spirit in each person. The Greeks had a concept of the breath being what gave us life, and that bit of breath or spirit in us was the divine, what separated the living from the dead. So the Holy Spirit was the part of the divine that we all knew - a parent can see the spirit in their children, a lover in their spouse.

All this was set in the First Council of Nicaea in the context of the debate against Arianism, which saw God as far off and distant, and Christ as just another guy with nothing particularly divine about him.

But telling every petty soldier and citizen out there that they had a bit of the divine in them might have worked for Constantine, who was busy reaching beyond the old Roman Senate for support from more common people, but it sure as hell wasn't going to work for a bunch of Popes, Patriarchs, and Emperors trying to attract the widest group of aristocrats and petty warlords to their banners in the middle ages. So they obfuscated, and the Holy Spirit became some disembodied abstract concept that the common folk weren't supposed to grasp.

I think calling it an "abandoned plot point" is right on target, but in its original concept I actually think it was a pretty cool, buddhist-democratic kind of idea.

Sidd Finch 01-14-2015 10:26 AM

Re: Wtf
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 493061)
It's hard to say that an act of religious extremism was performed by someone who is not a religious extremist.

If he was able to keep such thoughts a secret from his wife, he either didn't respect her at all or wanted to completely shield her from the trouble he knew was coming. But I'm with you a bit, if she's not completely full of shit, then this makes it very difficult to understand what was in his head.

TM

[Is this the second time you posted this or am I losing my mind?]

She also said he didn't go to Yemen, so someone is saying something that isn't true.

Sidd Finch 01-14-2015 10:30 AM

Re: Wtf
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 493062)
I put it in a subsequent eta to an earlier post, but then saw that a bunch of people had responded to that one in between, so I thought I had put it where no one would see it.

Maybe it wasn't exactly religious extremism. Maybe it was anti-France extremism, and they picked Charlie Hebdo because it seemed really, really French. And anti-Muslim, but maybe that was more of an outsider thing than a religious thing.

And were heard yelling "Allahu akhbar" because they thought "ne vive pas la France" sounded silly?

And chose to take hostages in a Jewish deli because...um...they served croissants, which are very French?

Hank Chinaski 01-14-2015 10:34 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0KL15N20150112

I wish i had this when my kids were little. I could have avoided some of those cold outside days.

Hank Chinaski 01-14-2015 10:35 AM

Re: Wtf
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 493084)
And were heard yelling "Allahu akhbar" because they thought "ne vive pas la France" sounded silly?

And chose to take hostages in a Jewish deli because...um...they served croissants, which are very French?

Little know fact, but the deli owners drove white cars.

Adder 01-14-2015 10:43 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 493082)
It's probably a mistake to reply to a middle of the night rant on religion.

This is part of why I enjoy reading the early Christians. Back in Nicene times, I think the Holy Spirit was actually the easy-to-understand one of the three. Look, there was all this talk about a God off in a heaven, no longer the dude who hung out and chatted with Abraham and his kin but some far off omniscient being. Then there's this guy who died a couple centuries before born with weird stars and angels around and a Mom who was probably not just a virgin but veiled and secluded. Both are pretty distant concepts.

On the other hand, they were telling every good Greek in Constantinople that there was a third part of the divine that was that bit of divine spirit in each person. The Greeks had a concept of the breath being what gave us life, and that bit of breath or spirit in us was the divine, what separated the living from the dead. So the Holy Spirit was the part of the divine that we all knew - a parent can see the spirit in their children, a lover in their spouse.

All this was set in the First Council of Nicaea in the context of the debate against Arianism, which saw God as far off and distant, and Christ as just another guy with nothing particularly divine about him.

But telling every petty soldier and citizen out there that they had a bit of the divine in them might have worked for Constantine, who was busy reaching beyond the old Roman Senate for support from more common people, but it sure as hell wasn't going to work for a bunch of Popes, Patriarchs, and Emperors trying to attract the widest group of aristocrats and petty warlords to their banners in the middle ages. So they obfuscated, and the Holy Spirit became some disembodied abstract concept that the common folk weren't supposed to grasp.

I think calling it an "abandoned plot point" is right on target, but in its original concept I actually think it was a pretty cool, buddhist-democratic kind of idea.

Or in tl;dr everything that does not make sense about dogma is likely the result of (1) attempts to bolster Jesus's resume as the Jewish messiah (i.e., the virgin thing), and/or (2) attempts to appealing/assimilate with various pagans/cultures, etc.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-14-2015 11:08 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 493087)
Or in tl;dr everything that does not make sense about dogma is likely the result of (1) attempts to bolster Jesus's resume as the Jewish messiah (i.e., the virgin thing), and/or (2) attempts to appealing/assimilate with various pagans/cultures, etc.

Wow, I guess you didn't read. tl;sli.*

Try just (1) thing, not (1) and (2): it's all about power.

and that will work for Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and Shinto as well as Christianity.







*too long, semi-literates involved.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-14-2015 11:13 AM

Re: Wtf
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 493084)
And were heard yelling "Allahu akhbar" because they thought "ne vive pas la France" sounded silly?

And chose to take hostages in a Jewish deli because...um...they served croissants, which are very French?

There always seems to be someone around to say a murderer was a nice kid, a quiet neighbor, what have you.

But have you been to Jewish delis in Paris? What they call dark rye there is lighter than the whole wheat you get in a NY deli. Stick to the Middle Eastern places.


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