Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 493088)

Wow, I guess you didn't read. tl;sli.*

Try just (1) thing, not (1) and (2): it's all about power.

and that will work for Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and Shinto as well as Christianity.







*too long, semi-literates involved.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 493089)

But have you been to Jewish delis in Paris? What they call dark rye there is lighter than the whole wheat you get in a NY deli. Stick to the Middle Eastern places.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 493091)

lots of the Jews there are, understandably, immigrating. with that and the action of drivers of black cars, the delis may well be short lived.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 493086)

Little know fact, but the deli owners drove white cars.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 493085)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0KL15N20150112

I wish i had this when my kids were little. I could have avoided some of those cold outside days.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 493035)

Well, here's their lawyer saying the issue would "naturally" include cartoons of Muhammed. The article also asserts that this image is Muhammed and includes an interview with one of the cartoonists, although no direct quotes about the image.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 493062)

Maybe it wasn't exactly religious extremism.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 493082)

It's probably a mistake to reply to a middle of the night rant on religion.

This is part of why I enjoy reading the early Christians. Back in Nicene times, I think the Holy Spirit was actually the easy-to-understand one of the three. Look, there was all this talk about a God off in a heaven, no longer the dude who hung out and chatted with Abraham and his kin but some far off omniscient being. Then there's this guy who died a couple centuries before born with weird stars and angels around and a Mom who was probably not just a virgin but veiled and secluded. Both are pretty distant concepts.

On the other hand, they were telling every good Greek in Constantinople that there was a third part of the divine that was that bit of divine spirit in each person. The Greeks had a concept of the breath being what gave us life, and that bit of breath or spirit in us was the divine, what separated the living from the dead. So the Holy Spirit was the part of the divine that we all knew - a parent can see the spirit in their children, a lover in their spouse.

All this was set in the First Council of Nicaea in the context of the debate against Arianism, which saw God as far off and distant, and Christ as just another guy with nothing particularly divine about him.

But telling every petty soldier and citizen out there that they had a bit of the divine in them might have worked for Constantine, who was busy reaching beyond the old Roman Senate for support from more common people, but it sure as hell wasn't going to work for a bunch of Popes, Patriarchs, and Emperors trying to attract the widest group of aristocrats and petty warlords to their banners in the middle ages. So they obfuscated, and the Holy Spirit became some disembodied abstract concept that the common folk weren't supposed to grasp.

I think calling it an "abandoned plot point" is right on target, but in its original concept I actually think it was a pretty cool, buddhist-democratic kind of idea.

Originally Posted by greedy,greedy,greedy (Post 493041)

ever notice how jesus and mohammed grew up in the same general neck of the woods, but jesus is a lot whiter than mohammed? Funny dat.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 493099)

Shorter GGG: Paging Atticus! Paging Atticus!

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 493101)

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 493060)

Were those brothers really religious extremists? If so, the wife of one of them didn't know about it.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 493089)

There always seems to be someone around to say a murderer was a nice kid, a quiet neighbor, what have you.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 493098)

A-and now there's video of the brothers shouting, "we have avenged the prophet Mohammed."